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I think Sanders is a stronger general election candidate than Biden for three main reasons: 1. He has a much more robust ground game and far larger base of volunteers. 2. To the extent Trump’s appeal to independents is issue-based, as opposed to based on cultural resentments, it comes from his skep...

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Wasn't 2018 when a bunch of progressives picked up shocking victories, both inside the Dem party and then in November? Sure, some did. But I am pretty sure that where the Dems beat the Republicans in red or purple districts, those were mostly moderates. Big-name progressives like "the squad&qu...

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mister d wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:51 pm No good reason.

Either these polls are predictive or they're not, right?

Is there any evidence that Biden's health problems will affect his results in a way that Sanders' (or Trump's) will not?

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And then Biden loses in November. I'll be voting for him, but I'm going to laugh my ass off when Trump gets reelected. I really, really am. I guess that's just my white privilege that I can't suppress and not at all anything else. Biden v. Trump is basically re-running the 2016 election only Trump ...

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Biden v. Trump is basically re-running the 2016 election only Trump has the incumbency advantage and the Dems are running a far weaker candidate. As critical as I am of Hillary, she runs circles around the 2020 version of Biden. I think Trump would win at least as many Electoral College votes again...

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Well, our little group certainly isn’t representative of South Carolina Democratic Primary voters.

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The primary reason the market is way off is due to a very legitimate concern - that practically every fucking thing is manufactured in China - and many of those Chinese manufacturing plants are/were shut down tight for weeks due to the virus. As some of you know, I spent my career in the shipping/l...

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In the past two days, I have learned (i) my daughter's 18 year old friend (and our next door neighbor) was raped at a party last weekend, and (ii) one of my law partners has breast cancer. She's 42.

Just fuck.

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"Democratic Leaders (Independently But All In the Same Way and Towards the Same End) Willing to Risk Party Damage to Stop Bernie Sanders" - NY Times To me, "conspiring" means something nefarious. It's not really nefarious for Democratic party leaders to work to prevent the nomin...

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A_B wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:49 pm So for the first time in my life, the doctor switched from "you should probably lose some weight" to "you have to lose weight."

Bummer. Told me I need to lose 50 pounds and 6-10 by a followup in two months.

Never get older.

Doctors don't know anything.

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I think Maine is the only state that allows full-on ranked ballots for actual statewide or federal elections. I think a few state political parties have adopted it for their primaries but not many.

https://ballotpedia.org/Ranked-choice_v ... egislation

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Jerloma wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:14 am I never really know what anyone is talking about anymore because it's all Tweets but yesterday...were there swampers in here actually defending the DNC in that NY Times story where all the delegates blatantly admitted they were conspiring against Bernie?

"conspiring"

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wouldn't voting for Warren to help prop her up against someone else in the "she's third and Bernie is first" scenario be a better use than voting for Bernie? Strategic voting is tricky. Among other things, the calculus depends on whether Warren is or is not likely to break the 15% thresho...

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Yeah we have major buzzing. Our fridge is 15 years old. But I’m scared to move it because I don’t want to see what’s back there now.

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Pruitt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:31 pmFridge was making a hellacious noise - researched the issue, tried a couple of things and holy shit! It worked.

So, like, how did you do that? My one-fourth Jewish heritage really takes over when it comes to this stuff.

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I don't know if that distinction can really be drawn so clearly. I think an attack on Democratic Party leadership includes Democratic Party politicians and the people who support or agree with them. That all depends on who's framing it, right? Like I said, he votes with the party / politicians / pe...

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Or, you know, how dare Bernie run for the *Democratic Party nomination*, and do it by attacking Democrats so as to make them less likely to win. Again, you're conflating "against the Dems" and "against the party leadership", which is a very different framing of his run. He's a v...

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I assume you are equally upset with the non-Sanders candidates attacking him in the last debate with GOP talking points and thus making the current frontrunner less likely to win. Are you suggesting "GOP talking points" will make Sanders less likely to win? Because if so, we have a big pr...

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I assume you are equally upset with the non-Sanders candidates attacking him in the last debate with GOP talking points and thus making the current frontrunner less likely to win. Are you suggesting "GOP talking points" will make Sanders less likely to win? Because if so, we have a big pr...

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my hot take is that johnnie wouldn't be saying the stuff he's saying about "moderate democrats" (a very malleable term to begin with) being diet republicans if bernie hadn't made the establishment is against me a defining piece of rhetoric My hot take is its much easier to blame Sanders, ...

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Johnnie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:19 amFuck moderate Democrats. Pieces of shit. They'd rather have Trump than Bernie because they ARE DIET FUCKING REPUBLICANS.

Yup. I particularly like my plan to ban gay marriage and abortion and deport all the DACA kids.

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The list in paragraph two is why they're the center and not the right? (Also overstates the gains/progress on a lot of issues.) So, yeah, Sanders engenders hostility among people who care a lot about border agents shooting Mexican kids across the border. And yet he’s been completely dominating the ...

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The list in paragraph two is why they're the center and not the right? (Also overstates the gains/progress on a lot of issues.) Also Bloomberg has been absolutely horrible for his entire career on workers rights, police violence, healthcare, unionization and civil rights. If those are your prioriti...

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The list in paragraph two is why they're the center and not the right? (Also overstates the gains/progress on a lot of issues.) I guess if you want to characterize it like that. You know those recent Supreme Court cases those of us on the non-right all hate? The ones that allow border agents to avo...

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Your framing feels completely off. Sanders doesn't divide the left, he represents the left and fights against the center, where the Dem establishment is presently aligned. That's why its the establishment and not the party, because the party still encompasses the left while the establishment serves...

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No, I don't think there's an obligation, but I'd also say you can't argue no obligation (or outright obstruction) and then blame him and/or his base for not falling in line later. No one is going to argue Bloomberg is obligated to support Sanders, right? I would say Bloomberg is definitely obligate...

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Mostly agree, although I think the real issue is that his forcefulness exposes the party as hypocrites on a lot of issues. He's closer to what the party attempts to portray themselves as than the party itself is. It could be that, or it could be that he has been shitting on the Democratic Party for...

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But pretty amazing you can even frame it that way, isn't it? Yes, it is amazing that even after what happened in 2000 and 2016, and what happened in the aftermath of both elections, it is once again a concern. And I'll say now and later Sanders has zero obligation to campaign for Bloomberg if he so...

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mister d wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:31 pm Why on earth wouldn't they be hostile to the person they'll rely on more than anyone else in 2020, regardless of whether he gets the nomination.

Are you suggesting that the effort Sanders puts in to defeating Trump is conditioned on how he feels he's being treated by the DNC?

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Mostly agree, although I think the real issue is that his forcefulness exposes the party as hypocrites on a lot of issues. He's closer to what the party attempts to portray themselves as than the party itself is. It could be that, or it could be that he has been shitting on the Democratic Party for...

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mister d wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:01 pm (I assume we're all being straight up here and admitting the DNC, whether or not they're "the establishment", is firmly anti-Sanders.)

I would certainly assume so.

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mister d wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:46 pm I've never said the DNC is conspiring for Bloomberg.

Hm. Sorry if I misunderstood. What did you mean when you suggested a connection between the DNC being the establishment and debate prices ensuring the audience was filled with Bloomberg fans?

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There is no "establishment," just millions of Democrats who don't prefer other candidates, either for ideological or practical reasons. The whole point of superdelegates is to use their own judgment as to whom the Democratic Party should nominate. They are a useful check on the process. Y...

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1. The DNC is absolutely "the establishment". 2. The price ensured Bloomberg fans would make up the audience. Up for your own assessment if 1 and 2 are intentional and related. I'm not sure if Point 2 is accurate. https://www.vox.com/2020/2/25/21153769/south-carolina-democratic-debate-tic...

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I mean, Trump was unelectable also... So was Obama! https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/23/barackobama.hillaryclinton1 From that link: Barack Obama faced questions about his ability to deliver a Democratic victory in November today after his failure to knock out Hillary ...

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And the establishment wins. This is another Sanders trope that needs to stop. I'm pretty sure Sanders is on the ballot in every state. If a majority of Democrats vote for him in the primaries, he will get a majority of the delegates. If he doesn't, it means that a majority of Democrats favored some...

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He's a clean-cut, reasonable-sounding, moderate alternative to Trump. This describes greater than 1 in every 100 people across the country. That's kind-of my point. He appeals to people because he's "normal". Plus, like Obama gave people the chance to feel good about themselves for voting...

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*- So, I'll just reiterate, rather than (incessantly) arguing about whether or not the DNC is out to get Bernie, folks should really be pissed at the DNC for (once again) not getting their shit together to pick a horse capable of building a national coalition to defeat Trump. The problem is that th...

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He's a clean-cut, reasonable-sounding, moderate alternative to Trump. This describes greater than 1 in every 100 people across the country. That's kind-of my point. He appeals to people because he's "normal". Plus, like Obama gave people the chance to feel good about themselves for voting...

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