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(The End of) Journalism Thread

Post by howard » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:16 pm

The craptastic reportage of the Cyprus situation made me think of renewing this topic. Then the below piece crossed my radar. We got plenty of sports related craptasmic examples to discuss as well.

James Goodale: It’s a bad time for press freedoms (Columbia Journalism Review)
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Post by Johnnie » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:56 pm

The amount of money that U2 maintainers and personnel get for being "deployed" there for 4 months is disgusting. The lowest ranks will clear 20 grand easy. It's awful.
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Post by brian » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:53 am

Please, just read this. Sums up this thread to a T.

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Post by Johnnie » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:09 am

So this: http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/31/world/asi ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Complete and total fabrication. They are out front of my hangar to show off for ROK dignitaries. That has been the plan for the last month.

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New York's Picture Newspaper

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Can't trust the media, that is for damned sure.
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Post by Brontoburglar » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:26 pm

just pick another photo... don't understand the thought process on that one
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Post by The Sybian » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:48 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:just pick another photo... don't understand the thought process on that one
Or crop. There are 1000s of pictures to go with here, and this one wasn't any better than so many others I've seen. And the injury wasn't all that gory to begin with. Really a bizarre editorial decision here.
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Pretty good shopping, though.
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Post by Shirley » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:49 am

That's just awful. Do they not have editors over there? How can any responsible adult think that sort of thing is OK?
Totally Kafkaesque

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Post by testy boxcar » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:53 am

The good news is, if he is innocent (and it certainly sounds like he is), he'll probably be set for life financially before even graduating high school!

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Post by The Sybian » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:17 am

testy boxcar wrote:The good news is, if he is innocent (and it certainly sounds like he is), he'll probably be set for life financially before even graduating high school!
Word. Lawyer up and sue the fuck out of the Post. It's one thing that a bunch of amateur sleuths are circling them with MS paint in pictures and spreading it all over Reddit. Whatever, I feel bad for the kids, and I thought they looked a bit suspicious and that the one backpack could have been the same as the exploded pack. I also thought the "military gear" was completely baseless. Post has to be held accountable, that is unexcusable. Especially since a bunch of people on Reddit found evidence that the kids weren't the bombers. I realize the Post is a fricken joke of a paper, but this is out of control.
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Post by howard » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:34 am

That is so awesome. In the sense that maybe it will convince a few more people of the utter worthlessness of the Post and virtually anything Murdoch other than amusement.

I have glanced through many of the photos online, some marked up. My first impression of each of those two was 'naw, they don't look it'. Nothing has changed that; The Post reinforces it.

Mad bombers don't carry water bottles.
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Murdoch sets the bar; CNN clears it easily

Post by howard » Sun May 05, 2013 11:21 am

Irony?

Howard Kurtz Apologizes to Jason Collins on CNN's 'Reliable Sources'

CNN broadcasting an embarrassing mistake? Hell noes that ain't ironic.
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Post by howard » Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:15 am

This is a short article discussing media control and propaganda in Russia today. The description also happens to fit TV news in the USA to a "T".

What Putin learnt from Berlusconi
TV is Putin’s priority. Unlike Stalin and Brezhnev, he understands he doesn’t need total media control. Sauer says the state still leaves his websites and newspapers alone. “We don’t notice any change. No phone calls, no pressure, nothing.” Russian internet use is soaring, yet Sauer says: “We all think, because we’re in the media, that these changes happen very fast.

But in reality most people still get their news from TV.” That’s true not just in Russia, where perhaps 80 per cent do, but even in the US. Russian newspapers are comparatively tiny: few sell more than 100,000 copies, a figure representing under 0.1 per cent of the population.

“The funny thing about Russia,” Sauer had told me in 2005, “is there’s complete press freedom for the informed but none for the uninformed. The informed, the people who read papers like Vedomosti or Kommersant, know a lot anyway because they also see satellite TV and the internet. There’s no point trying to suppress us. It would just create a fuss and international criticism.” Moreover, allowing some critical voices only makes Putin’s propaganda on TV more credible.

And so Moscow’s middle classes are allowed pockets of freedom of thought. These people aren’t about to oust Putin. Sauer says: “There’s no question of an Arab spring happening here. For a revolution you need lots of unemployed young people.
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Post by Sabo » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:55 pm

As some may have heard, the Chicago Sun-Times fired their entire photo staff recently and armed reporters with smartphones so they could take pictures.

It's safe to say it's had some effect on the quality of photos in the paper ...

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Post by howard » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:07 pm

Since this thread bumped, here's a death of newspapers item I saw on the bloomberg tv this am.

New York Times Set to Sell Globe for 10% of Purchase Price
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It's not all self-inflicted

Post by howard » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:13 am

Court Tells Reporter to Testify in Case of Leaked C.I.A. Data

More "security trumps the bill of rights" bullshit, in direct violation of decades of court precedent, from the supremes down. But, no one cares, so this freedom will die silently.
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Post by Pruitt » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:56 pm

So the 2nd amendment is more sacrosanct than the first amendment...
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Post by Sabo » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:47 pm

Yesterday, the Cleveland Plain Dealer laid off more than 50 reporters and editors as part of a corporate restructuring. (Coincidentally, they posted nine job postings on JournalismJobs.com for their new business unit, which happens to be a non-union shop.) The PD editorial department unionized (Newspaper Guild).

The union announced they were having a layoff party at a brew pub in Ohio City last night, and said they would accept donations to pay their bar tab. They got a few donations, amounting to almost $5,000, including one donation from Norway.
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Post by wlu_lax6 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:43 pm

Washington Post sold to Jeff Bezos (not Amazon but Bezos himself). Same publisher, leadership, and CEO.

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Post by Scottie » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:04 pm

From the LA Times:

The absence of even a gesture of bipartisanship was a reminder of the enduring political legacy of the civil rights battles. Since Democrats led the passage of civil rights legislation that marchers pushed for in 1963, Republicans have struggled to recover with black voters, leaving a stark racial divide in American politics.

Yeeeeeeeeeeah, right. Even worse, that article cites four "writers" as having contributed. Why bother reporting anything when you can collectively make shit up and pass it off as fact.
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Post by rass » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:38 am

It might be a little harsh to call this an example of the "end of journalism", but at the very least CNN needs to update their simile-tron so it gives them a little more variety:

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Post by Jerloma » Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:37 am

The GOP didn't like Obama's tone after the shooting? What was his tone?
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Jerloma wrote:The GOP didn't like Obama's tone after the shooting? What was his tone?
His voice sounded "too black."
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Post by A_B » Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:19 am

The Sybian wrote:
Jerloma wrote:The GOP didn't like Obama's tone after the shooting? What was his tone?
His voice sounded "too black."
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I am very well informed on news events. I do not watch or read traditional media on a regular basis. I rarely will flip on a cable news net during a breaking story like this shooting. But less and less often, because of crap like this.

I did not watch a single second of coverage of this shooting incident on Monday. Not a drop. Because to do so is counterproductive--I would be less informed, and I would be subjected to the fear mongering and other cheap emotional appeals.

Fuck that. I managed to be well informed with my little computer and an AM radio. (And, of course, wulax.)

I have been a keen consumer of tv news my entire life. I studied and analyzed news media formally in high school (yes--two courses, if you count 'Sports Literature') and college. Lived with and nearly married a big-city TV news reporter/substitute anchor. Even participated in news gathering and reporting on occasion (if you count sportswriting, and the occasional emergency assisting my girlfriend as an ad hoc field producer). I've taken a harshly critical view of the industry and product since Lee Harvey got it on (nearly) live TV until Barry's weird speech last Tuesday. I've developed a complex set of filters to sort through the crap and fluff, and extract the (shrinking proportion of) useful data.

But there is nearly none that remains. Rapidly approaching zero.

There is plenty of journalism being practiced today. But, not on the main TV outlets. Not in the Pravda, Izvestia and TASS of our homeland evil empire (NY Times, WaPo, BosGlobe--fun game: match the two sets!)

I watched a Frontline documentary last night on the Egyptian Revolution. Utter crap. Such an emotional-laden, insight-devoid film I seriously doubt would've been air-able by the same show a decade ago. There was plenty of fact and useful anecdote interspersed with the 'look at me and my journey' theme and approach of the reporter and 'oh, the emotional ups and downs of the supporting characters so touched my reporter heart' device which drove the film.

The piece even lacked a coherent political bias that PBS used to typically and unapologetically color their documentary work. My key complaint here is the lack of coherence. Yeah, it's a challenge to report an incoherent story; shit, that is one benefit of a strong bias in reporting--at least you can produce a logical path, that can be accepted or rejected by the viewer.

They barely even tried. But they sure elicited a bunch of hope, fear, sorrow, pity, sadness and other emotions. Not much fact or analysis, though. But who needs that shit? Emotion keeps 'em coming back.
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Post by howard » Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:02 pm

An email! Sounds like about the end of Coulson, and his curly-haired girlfriend Brooks.
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Post by Brontoburglar » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:16 am

when I clicked this yesterday I figured it'd be about my video
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Post by Scottie » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:56 pm

howard wrote:
I am very well informed on news events. I do not watch or read traditional media on a regular basis. I rarely will flip on a cable news net during a breaking story like this shooting. But less and less often, because of crap like this.

I did not watch a single second of coverage of this shooting incident on Monday. Not a drop. Because to do so is counterproductive--I would be less informed, and I would be subjected to the fear mongering and other cheap emotional appeals.

Fuck that. I managed to be well informed with my little computer and an AM radio. (And, of course, wulax.)

I have been a keen consumer of tv news my entire life. I studied and analyzed news media formally in high school (yes--two courses, if you count 'Sports Literature') and college. Lived with and nearly married a big-city TV news reporter/substitute anchor. Even participated in news gathering and reporting on occasion (if you count sportswriting, and the occasional emergency assisting my girlfriend as an ad hoc field producer). I've taken a harshly critical view of the industry and product since Lee Harvey got it on (nearly) live TV until Barry's weird speech last Tuesday. I've developed a complex set of filters to sort through the crap and fluff, and extract the (shrinking proportion of) useful data.

But there is nearly none that remains. Rapidly approaching zero.

There is plenty of journalism being practiced today. But, not on the main TV outlets. Not in the Pravda, Izvestia and TASS of our homeland evil empire (NY Times, WaPo, BosGlobe--fun game: match the two sets!)

I watched a Frontline documentary last night on the Egyptian Revolution. Utter crap. Such an emotional-laden, insight-devoid film I seriously doubt would've been air-able by the same show a decade ago. There was plenty of fact and useful anecdote interspersed with the 'look at me and my journey' theme and approach of the reporter and 'oh, the emotional ups and downs of the supporting characters so touched my reporter heart' device which drove the film.

The piece even lacked a coherent political bias that PBS used to typically and unapologetically color their documentary work. My key complaint here is the lack of coherence. Yeah, it's a challenge to report an incoherent story; shit, that is one benefit of a strong bias in reporting--at least you can produce a logical path, that can be accepted or rejected by the viewer.

They barely even tried. But they sure elicited a bunch of hope, fear, sorrow, pity, sadness and other emotions. Not much fact or analysis, though. But who needs that shit? Emotion keeps 'em coming back.
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Holy crap, I need to see what Big Poppa Pump had to say. Remember when CNN was a respected news organization?
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The Sybian wrote:Remember when CNN was a respected news organization?
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The Sybian wrote:Holy crap, I need to see what Big Poppa Pump had to say.
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Post by Pruitt » Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:40 am

The devastation in the Philippines is truly horrifying. This morning, I was scanning my usual news sites and came across this - the main story about this disaster on the front page of the Telegraph.
Miracle baby born as typhoon hits China
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