2016 Presidential Race

Post by **brian** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:20 pm

So Trump isn't an egomaniac then? Got it.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:21 pm

brian wrote:So Trump isn't an egomaniac then? Got it.

Wow. Read much?

Post by **brian** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:24 pm

So Obama is as much of an egomaniac as Trump then? I don't know. I guess I really don't get what your response was supposed to mean.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:27 pm

Pretty clear you were referencing Trump wanting his name to be bigger because of his ego. But you have to go back just 4 years to the golden boy to find precedent. That's what I'm saying. Trump is unquestionably an egomaniac. I think Obama is as well. Maybe not AS BIG, but on the binary scale of egomaniac or not, I think both check the box.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:35 pm

You need to have three qualifications to be president:

Speak well in public
Wear a suit
Be an egomaniacal sociopath

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:50 pm

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:08 pm

And there are all kinds of reports out now that Trump, as late as midnight last night, was trying to back out of the Pence pick...seems like he wanted Christie, his kids wanted Newt, and campaign staff wanted Pence.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:59 pm

I wish I could bet money on Trump firing Pence from the ticket sometime before November.

howard · Post by **howard** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:09 pm

Johnnie wrote:You need to have three qualifications to be president:

Speak well in public
Wear a suit*
Be an egomaniacal sociopath

*Pantsuit is acceptable

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:44 am

howard wrote:
Johnnie wrote:You need to have three qualifications to be president:

Speak well in public
Wear a suit*
Be an egomaniacal sociopath
*Pantsuit is acceptable

Correct.

Moreta · Post by **Moreta** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:39 am

Post by **brian** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:53 pm

They've removed the logos completely from their website.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:47 pm

brian wrote:They've removed the logos completely from their website.

It is amazing that a person who has offended so many people, and whose campaign is being run by rank amateurs will still get over 40% of the vote.

Having said that, hard to vote for Hillary without having to hold your nose. She's going to introduce a constitutional amendment to override the Citizens United decision by the Supreme Court?

Sure She Will

Intending to close any loopholes allowing for dark money, Clinton would urge more transparency for outside groups and any "significant" donors sponsoring their cause.

MAn, that's rich.

Post by **brian** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:01 pm

You do know that Citizens United was a case directed AT Hillary, right? The notion that she somehow benefits from it is from Republican masturbatory fantasies.

duff · Post by **duff** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:00 pm

Just want to state again how overjoyed i am that dense will no longer be governor of Indiana. Fuck that dead-fish hand-shake fuck face. I hope to any all mighty that he gets the ass pounding he deserves from Donald and Don, Jr. Fuck that guy. He made this state the laughing stock of the US for some time, and that is a hard thing to do when there is always KY and OH.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:00 pm

dense

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:01 pm

For what it's worth kentuckians laugh at Indiana too.

duff · Post by **duff** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:02 pm

Rex wrote:dense

Soirry to speel out the joke there, rex. It rhymes with Pence. So that is why he is governor Dense. Way to ruin a fucking great joke asshoel.

duff · Post by **duff** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:04 pm

A_B wrote:For what it's worth kentuckians laugh at Indiana too.

Just the once across theriver. And I am confuounded by thte amount of inbreds from WV that have moved here.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:46 am

So...that Melania Trump speech, huh?

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:56 am

I seriously think I've reached the limits of my cynicism you guys. Really. I just can't...

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:02 am

Here's what I'm curious about--the plagiarized sections are so banal, I'm wondering who could have spotted the plagiarism so quickly. Is someone really that familiar with past speeches given at political conventions that they recognized the similarity right away? Was someone literally sitting there with a copy of Michelle Obama's speech in front of them when it happened? Or was it something more sinister--an inside job, a plant? Done by, you know, someone within the campaign who is not actually trying to win the election?

Anyway, when do Uday and Qusay get to speak?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:05 am

Rex wrote:Here's what I'm curious about--the plagiarized sections are so banal, I'm wondering who could have spotted the plagiarism so quickly. Is someone really that familiar with past speeches given at political conventions that they recognized the similarity right away? Was someone literally sitting there with a copy of Michelle Obama's speech in front of them when it happened? Or was it something more sinister--an inside job, a plant? Done by, you know, someone within the campaign who is not actually trying to win the election?

Anyway, when do Uday and Qusay get to speak?

I wondered that, but I think it might have been laziness by the speechwriter. Michelle's speech from back then was widely praised, so it's not unreasonable for people who follow that to remember.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:22 am

Now it's a party!

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:39 am

Rex wrote:Here's what I'm curious about--the plagiarized sections are so banal, I'm wondering who could have spotted the plagiarism so quickly. Is someone really that familiar with past speeches given at political conventions that they recognized the similarity right away? Was someone literally sitting there with a copy of Michelle Obama's speech in front of them when it happened? Or was it something more sinister--an inside job, a plant? Done by, you know, someone within the campaign who is not actually trying to win the election?

Anyway, when do Uday and Qusay get to speak?

It's just the human ear. Ever hear something on a baseball game and say, hey that kinda sounds familiar lets look it up. Looking it up takes 2 seconds.
Something important like this, it's not surprising someone found out right when the words came out of your mouth.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:42 am

A_B wrote:So...that Melania Trump speech, huh?

I mean, it's only befitting that terms like hard work and integrity are part of the plagiarism of the current first lady's speech.

rass wrote:I seriously think I've reached the limits of my cynicism you guys. Really. I just can't...

We've gone to plaid. It's just flat out amazing. "Hey everybody! The world's on fire! Obama sucks! (but we'll lift his wife's speech nearly word for word).."

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:45 am

I found it puzzling the part about how difficult it was for her as a black woman at Princeton.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:47 am

Rex wrote:Here's what I'm curious about--the plagiarized sections are so banal, I'm wondering who could have spotted the plagiarism so quickly. Is someone really that familiar with past speeches given at political conventions that they recognized the similarity right away? Was someone literally sitting there with a copy of Michelle Obama's speech in front of them when it happened? Or was it something more sinister--an inside job, a plant? Done by, you know, someone within the campaign who is not actually trying to win the election?

Anyway, when do Uday and Qusay get to speak?

It seemed like the speech transcripts were going around before the actual speeches last night. Perhaps people read them first, and noticed the similarities, then waited for the actual speech to sync them up? Kind of strange, but that's what I think I saw on Twitter. Jon Favreau and Dan Pfeiffer (Keeping it 1600, Bill Simmons podcast network, and former Obama speechwriter and press secretary (?)) were tweeting about it.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:49 am

howard wrote:I found it puzzling the part about how difficult it was for her as a black woman at Princeton.

I laughed out loud (and will borrow it for future social media usage)

Damn irony.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:54 am

Every day brings a joyful story from the Trump team.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:54 am

Trump's campaign manager says Melania didn't plagiarize anything and that she was using "common words and phrases" (also blamed Hillary of course), Chris Christie says 90% of the speech was original so that's what counts (obviously admitting she lifted), and Reince Priebus says he'd fire the speechwriter (Melania claims she wrote it herself). Unity!

and did you notice Melania dropped a Rick roll in the middle or her speech too. "He will never, ever give up. And he will never, ever let you down".

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:54 am

I stole that from twitter. It was tough growing up on the South Side of Chicago works too.
(West side of Ljubljana?)

eta: here

and these:

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:52 am

I tend to believe the theory that somebody within the Trump camp did it on purpose, knowing it'd get spotted. How else do you explain the inclusion of a Rickroll? (As, degen noted.)

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:32 am

I was traveling all day yesterday, but the couple moments I saw of the Clownfuck Shitshow Reality Whore Circus 2016 in O'Hare Airport was the Duck Dynasty fuckbag talking. And then Tom Cotton going on about his combat deployments. I just went back to playing Pokemon Go.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:36 am

Twitter last night was ON FIRE about Melania's speech. Amazing.

(Including a screenshot of Triumph, The Insult Comic Dog photobombed the MSNBC set with a sign saying "Melania stole my jokes")

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:04 pm

It boggles my mind that an actual significant national political party put on that show last night.

The worst thing is that with all the fun everyone is having with the plagiarism, there's less attention being paid to how hateful the program was. I mean, calling up victims of violent crimes committed by illegal immigrants for the purpose of deceiving people into believing that illegal immigrants pose some kind of threat - even though native-born Americans are by far a more violent group than immigrants, legal or illegal.

Between this shit and the false claims about American Muslims celebrating 9/11 and about people calling for a minute of silence for the guy who shot the cops in Dallas, this is starting to scare me. It's far too similar to 1930s Germany for my liking.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:07 pm

I'm absolutely in awe that anyone in the Trump campaign can say that this isn't blatant plagiarism.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:08 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote:It boggles my mind that an actual significant national political party put on that show last night.

The worst thing is that with all the fun everyone is having with the plagiarism, there's less attention being paid to how hateful the program was. I mean, calling up victims of violent crimes committed by illegal immigrants for the purpose of deceiving people into believing that illegal immigrants pose some kind of threat - even though native-born Americans are by far a more violent group than immigrants, legal or illegal.

Between this shit and the false claims about American Muslims celebrating 9/11 and about people calling for a minute of silence for the guy who shot the cops in Dallas, this is starting to scare me. It's far too similar to 1930s Germany for my liking.

What about an elected official (Steve King, R-Iowa) saying:

"I'd ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you're talking about, where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?"

Hayes asked: "Than white people?"

"Than, than Western civilization itself," King said. "It's rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the United States of America and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That's all of Western civilization."

That's some quality White Supremacy right there....

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:13 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote:It boggles my mind that an actual significant national political party put on that show last night.

At this rate, not much longer.

DaveInSeattle wrote:What about an elected official (Steve King, R-Iowa) saying:

"I'd ask you to go back through history and figure out, where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you're talking about, where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?"

Well, 'they' wrote Melania's speech.

Post by **brian** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:15 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote:It boggles my mind that an actual significant national political party put on that show last night.

The worst thing is that with all the fun everyone is having with the plagiarism, there's less attention being paid to how hateful the program was. I mean, calling up victims of violent crimes committed by illegal immigrants for the purpose of deceiving people into believing that illegal immigrants pose some kind of threat - even though native-born Americans are by far a more violent group than immigrants, legal or illegal.

Between this shit and the false claims about American Muslims celebrating 9/11 and about people calling for a minute of silence for the guy who shot the cops in Dallas, this is starting to scare me. It's far too similar to 1930s Germany for my liking.

But don't forget that Hillary is just as bad as Trump!