OFFICIAL Eat Right & Get Fit Challenge

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:57 pm

A long period of illness caused me to essentially do no physical activity beyond a couple hundred steps per day for a year or so. I ended up 30-50 pounds overweight and weak as a puppy.

My health is somewhat better now, and I'm better medicated so I function much better. Since spring I've been trying to rectify my weight and weakness issues.

This leads me to a fundamental question I've never had to address. Is it feasible to try to lose meaningful amount of fat while at the same time adding meaningful muscle mass and improving cardiovascular fitness?

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:18 am

DC47 wrote:A long period of illness caused me to essentially do no physical activity beyond a couple hundred steps per day for a year or so. I ended up 30-50 pounds overweight and weak as a puppy.

My health is somewhat better now, and I'm better medicated so I function much better. Since spring I've been trying to rectify my weight and weakness issues.

This leads me to a fundamental question I've never had to address. Is it feasible to try to lose meaningful amount of fat while at the same time adding meaningful muscle mass and improving cardiovascular fitness?

absolutely. untrained individuals can hit the workout jackpot, so to speak. when you're first (re)starting, you have the great ability to do all three at once, while those of us who have been lifting for a long time can do two (generally cardiovascular fitness can be done within reason either while building muscle or losing fat).

lift relatively heavy shit 8-15 times per set, push yourself for 60 minutes or so each workout, and watch magic happen

howard · Post by **howard** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:27 am

What bronto says is true, except one thing. The 60 minutes thing.

We are old. If you begin with 60 minutes of lifting heavy shit, you will not fare well. Work up to 60 minutes, but very slowly and gradually.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:14 pm

It's never too late to get healthy.

What these two dudes said. You can do it.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:44 pm

yup i just started too. Never even stepped into a fitness center until 2016. Now my goal is 30 minutes on the elliptical (uphill mode burn 300 calories) plus walking 10000 steps per day.

I'd like to learn how to run, maybe do a 5k run one day but my legs are still too weak, they cannot support my weight when running.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:12 pm

howard wrote:What bronto says is true, except one thing. The 60 minutes thing.

We are old. If you begin with 60 minutes of lifting heavy shit, you will not fare well. Work up to 60 minutes, but very slowly and gradually.

Assuming 2 minutes of rest per set (and 1 minute working per set), that's 20 sets (and even then, water breaks, talking, other random shit that chews up 5 minutes or so a workout) so you're looking at those 20 sets tops when you're starting out and only lifting.

But if you chop that back to 40 minutes lifting; 10-15 minutes of walking/elliptical/whatever you're looking at less than 15 total sets. Granted, I was vague, but not expecting anywhere close to a workout that has minimal rest periods.

howard · Post by **howard** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:00 pm

20 sets for a 60yo man coming off a chronic illness that caused prolonged inactivity and 10-20% weight gain is a horrible idea for the first day of a new exercise program, much less the first month. Try 20 minutes, which is still ambitious for many people in this situation.

Much better to start with less than a theoretical optimal first day/week/month of workout load than with too much. I cannot overstate the downsides of starting with too much for older people, and I've seen it over and over, despite this not being my specific field.

(Granted I am privy to more information about dc's illness than you, but that is part of the reasoning behind my insistence on starting very slowly. Not knowing the tolerance limits of elderly people recovering from illness mandates a conservative approach.)

The buildup to 60 minutes/20 sets can be rapid, as tolerated. But this is the wrong starting point. You'll see if you ever get sick for a long time or if you ever get old.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:18 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:absolutely. untrained individuals can hit the workout jackpot, so to speak. when you're first (re)starting, you have the great ability to do all three at once, while those of us who have been lifting for a long time can do two (generally cardiovascular fitness can be done within reason either while building muscle or losing fat).

lift relatively heavy shit 8-15 times per set, push yourself for 60 minutes or so each workout, and watch magic happen

I've never been radically de-conditioned before. So it was frightening to see how little physical performance I was capable of when I started working out last spring. I was doing around 50% of the weight settings that I used to do in a lifting workout. I couldn't do two semi-legit push-ups.

But since February I've experienced the newbie magic. I started with very modest workouts (e.g., I couldn't yet walk, so I gently biked indoors). Over four months I've moved up to lifting sessions two or three times per week of around 40-60 sets at weights that are around what I did in my late 40s (and up 20-50% from what I did in February). However, for context, note that half of those sets are rehab exercises with relatively light weights for my shoulders and elbows that I've been doing for 40 years to avoid surgery. Two or three times a week I do 70-100 minute fast-paced bike rides on gravel country roads or 50-60 minutes on the elliptical, with HIT periods in both modes that push my heart rate to 100% of the theoretical max for my age.

Nerve damage makes even wearing shoes painful. But with considerable help from multiple painkillers I ran for the first time a few weeks ago. Sedation plus pain plus being vastly out of running shape made this an odd experience, but I can't wait to try it again. Perhaps tonight. I dream of running.

Four months into my comeback, my morning resting pulse is down from 70+ to 55-60. My weight is down from 202 to 172 (at 6 feet tall), no doubt largely due to radically cutting carbs and recently going on the 5:2 intermittent fasting diet.

I've got some serious physical problems, some of which will only get worse, but I'm really happy about all this. I don't feel as seriously disabled and hopeless as I did 6 months ago.

Of course, I want more. I'm working very hard -- 10+ hours per week. I'm exercising tremendous discipline with my diet. But the newbie magic period of fairly rapid progress seems to be over now. I may be plateauing. For example, despite the fasting and low-carb diet, I lose only about 1/2 pound per week in a good week. Lately I'm not adding much weight to bars or machines in my lifting regimen. It's hard to see progress.

This leads me to wonder if my weight-loss regimen (and/or fairly rigorous cardio program as above) is limiting my muscle-building regimen. And further, if my weight-loss regimen has caused a metabolic re-set that has lowered how many calories I burn. There's ample evidence that this defeats many dieters. Note that while I'm no longer over-weight, I have compelling medical reasons to lose 10 to 20 more pounds of fat. So I'm not inclined to back off on my diet.

I wonder if anyone has insights that might guide what I do next?

howard · Post by **howard** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:36 pm

Since you started your program a few months ago, my earlier post doesn't apply.

Your progress and achievement is spectacular. Congrats. I think for old guys like us, a patient attitude is essential. Coming to grips that positive results are gonna be much slower in coming than ever before in our lives is a huge battle.

Half a pound a week will get you that 10 to 20 pounds. It just takes more time than we would like.

I find diet to increase in importance, relative to exercise, as we move through our 40s and 50s. Consistency with the radically low carbs over the course of another year will get you a long way. And an occasional desert (two or three times a month) won't wreck your program.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:45 pm

Johnnie, is a "2 poo D" as dirty as it sounds?

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:15 am

DC47 wrote:
I wonder if anyone has insights that might guide what I do next?

Dial everything down 30-50% (can be either volume or the weights themselves. your call) for a week.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:10 pm

In my first month back to exercise I certainly followed the 'start slow' plan. Part of this was that my health wasn't good enough to allow more. Part was concern for injury.

Regarding the latter, after three months of working up to some seriously hard biking and elliptical, with HIT periods, I tried to run at a very slow pace for a few minutes at a time. Next time out, I tried to add some 30 yard stretches of normal paced running. Bang -- first calf pull of my long athletic life. Out for two weeks.

I have put my legs through some serious strain over the years, in competitive tennis, mountain climbing, distance running, mountain biking, skiing, roofing, logging, and other activities. I injured virtually every part of my legs at some point. But never pulled a calf muscle. Not even when recovering from the atrophying effect of a broken ankle in my early 40s .

There is simply something quite physically profound about the combination of the onset of old age and prolonged physical inactivity. Body capacity that I thought was pretty bullet-proof is actually highly dependent on at least moderate exercise to function minimally and without being easily injured. 'Use it or lose it' is more real, at an earlier age, than I had realized.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:12 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:
DC47 wrote:
I wonder if anyone has insights that might guide what I do next?
Dial everything down 30-50% (can be either volume or the weights themselves. your call) for a week.

By everything, are you referring to both resistance exercise and cardio (biking, elliptical)?
What's the theory behind this?

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:24 pm

howard wrote:Your progress and achievement is spectacular. Congrats. I think for old guys like us, a patient attitude is essential. Coming to grips that positive results are gonna be much slower in coming than ever before in our lives is a huge battle.

I expected some plateau. The one I'm on seems flatter and sooner than I expected.

However, on the other hand, I wondered if it was even plausible to lose weight, gain strength, and improve my cardiovascular functioning in four months. I'm thrilled that this happened. But of course, I want more. Especially because my doctors (ten of them) seem to agree that my underlying ailment is in a remission-like state and will return. If it does, I won't be working out much, for an indefinite period. I want to progress as far as possible in preparation for the allegedly inevitable return to lesser physical capacity.

Half a pound a week will get you that 10 to 20 pounds. It just takes more time than we would like.

Half a pound seems like much less than should be achieved by an intermittent fasting, low carb diet plus 10 hours of workouts per week. But over the past 8 weeks, that's what I am getting in a good one. In bad ones I actually gain a little. I'd actually accept gracefully a steady half-pound loss, because as you say that would get me to my goal of roughly 20% loss of bodyweight. I'm concerned that my trend is for losing much less. And as above, I have medical reasons to be less patient that otherwise might be wise. I'm still very grateful for having had a chance to lose the fat I've lost. Having never dieted, but having observed the challenges this entails, I look at it almost as a miracle that something along these lines actually worked (so far).

I find diet to increase in importance, relative to exercise, as we move through our 40s and 50s. Consistency with the radically low carbs over the course of another year will get you a long way. And an occasional desert (two or three times a month) won't wreck your program.

Yeah, it seems well-accepted that diet is a more powerful tool than any form of exercise in weight loss. Further, it is generally more powerful in changing things like blood glucose, insulin sensitivity, bad cholesterol, and inflammation.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:26 pm

DC47 wrote:
Brontoburglar wrote:
DC47 wrote:
I wonder if anyone has insights that might guide what I do next?
Dial everything down 30-50% (can be either volume or the weights themselves. your call) for a week.
By everything, are you referring to both resistance exercise and cardio (biking, elliptical)?
What's the theory behind this?

explaining better than I can

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:26 pm

mister d wrote:Johnnie, is a "2 poo D" as dirty as it sounds?

Russians can be kinky. But not in this instance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pood

It's just a unit of mass equal to 36 lbs.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:50 pm

CrossFitter Kenneth Leverich pulls an "Uncle Drew" at Muscle Beach.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:55 pm

So AB rejoined the Y with a coworker. AB also did squats, something called a reverse lunge, calf raises and then the leg extensions and the other one that works the hammies.

AB didn't do a lot of weight on any of them (or at all - the reverse lunges were hard and I didn't use any dumbbells), but AB hurts. AB is probably going to hurt worse over the next 24-48 hours.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:17 pm

Ab did bench press today and was pleased. I was able to work out at 135, and even hoisted 155 up a few times. I don't feel like that was too bad for having taken 8 years or so off from lifting.

Then (!) AB was taking a 45 pounder off the bar for a buddy (who was working out at 265 like a little bitch) and managed to trip on an adjacent bench, catch myself from falling but wrenched my back something terrible. Tried to stretch it out but so far no good. I was sore as shit from the squats last week but at least that was from actual working out and not being stupid and unaware of my surroundings.

Just goes to show you that working out is a bad idea.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:18 pm

I've been going to the gym and working hard 5 days a week for over a month now. (It was more like 3 days a week before that.) Lots of free time, being unemployed. Unfortunately, I still eat and drink way too much, so that mitigates a fair bit of the benefit.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:01 pm

A_B wrote:Ab did bench press today and was pleased. I was able to work out at 135, and even hoisted 155 up a few times. I don't feel like that was too bad for having taken 8 years or so off from lifting.

Then (!) AB was taking a 45 pounder off the bar for a buddy (who was working out at 265 like a little bitch) and managed to trip on an adjacent bench, catch myself from falling but wrenched my back something terrible. Tried to stretch it out but so far no good. I was sore as shit from the squats last week but at least that was from actual working out and not being stupid and unaware of my surroundings.

Just goes to show you that working out is a bad idea.

I wrenched my back on a deadlift last week because I lost the tension midway through the lift and powered through rather than being smart and simply dropping it and restarting. I was like a damn old man for three days, but foam rolling and stretching took care of it by the end of the week.

And now I'm doing a different style of deadlifts for the next month or two because of my PTSD.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:49 pm

I'm in some pretty intensive physical therapy to strengthen my core. My back, still after all these years, is shitty and not getting better. Well, when I told my PCM I wanted a referral off base, it was agreed to by her, but not the base.

So I was seen by the doc (after begrudgingly agreeing considering my history - I'm sick of military doctors telling me there's nothing wrong with me when there certainly is) for an initial consult and I was told, surprise, surprise my L3/L4, L4/L5, and L5/S1 discs all have moderate bulging. This is from an MRI from over a year ago, btw. My PCM in Germany sucks at life. Not bad enough for surgery, but enough to continuously piss me off. She told me that I was fine and that I have normal "narrowing" in the back. It's far more complex than that.

It makes so much more sense why any movement that has weight in a forward tilt (deadlift, hang position movements, etc) fucks my world up. Especially in the eccentric movement.

We'll see what happens, but whatever. I'm basically resigned to not being better at doing CrossFit ever. Between this and my breathing, I'm average at best. Very disheartening. And seeing a friend of mine at 170 lbs body weight front squat 370 lbs, just twists the knife. I'm at 205ish and my max front squat is 285. I feel weak.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:36 am

If it's any consolation, in a few years no one will remember what Crossfit was.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:01 pm

Leg day again. Got up to 185 on squats, and probably could have done more but didn't want to push it since I am just at my second time ever doing squats. Leg presses at 270. Feel pretty good. Legs feel weightless right now. Will probably be sore tomorrow and the next day, but feels great right now.

Did a few extensions on the machines and some calf raises, too. Was pretty tired after five sets on the squats and presses but gutted it out.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:39 pm

Johnnie wrote:We'll see what happens, but whatever. I'm basically resigned to not being better at doing CrossFit ever. Between this and my breathing, I'm average at best. Very disheartening. And seeing a friend of mine at 170 lbs body weight front squat 370 lbs, just twists the knife. I'm at 205ish and my max front squat is 285. I feel weak.

Sounds like you're stuck with a healthy, functioning body with the rest of the losers.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:55 pm

So it's been over a month and I've been good about getting out there at least 3 days a week. I am lifting more, but the weight loss dropped off after the initial kickstart to my system. Still down 10.5 pounds overall. Able to work out on Bench with multiple sets at 155, which I only was able to list 2-3 times a few weeks back, so that's progress I can see.

elflaco · Post by **elflaco** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:50 pm

i'm fat.

njflaco = gordo.

yeah, i still get out and play soccer a couple of times a week, no.. i'm not playing goalie, nor am i playing any longer with my team of 16 years (well, if we organize an O40s team, sure.. at O30s.. no chance)

lots of activity the last couple of years, a few 5k, 10ks. a couple of tough mudders...

when you need to get a new sportscoat (classic blue blazer) to replace the one you bought in 99... and have go up a size... oof.
last went to the gym in march/april... until then i was doing kickboxing 3x a week, weights 2x week.. soccer 2x a week...

but today, looking in the mirror
i'm fat.
fuck.
checked my memerships.. all in order. hitting it tomorrow .. already been cuttin carbs (but not alcohol, lowered volume but not frequency) and i already do vey little if any sugar..
let's see how long i stay on this time.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:14 am

Glad to see all the people who are stepping up to the challenges of getting in better shape. All kinds of challenges -- defective bodies, injuries, long-term de-conditioning, motivation. It helps me to see others dealing with these things. Keeps me from being too self-pitying.

My report is that since my last post here in June, I've lost three pounds. That's not much progress in three months. But I try to remember how hard it is to actually keep weight off. And I estimate I'm down 43-45 pounds of fat since this began last February. So I'm winning even if I'm frustrated now at the modest pace. I'd like to lose 10-15 more. Gonna take awhile.

Over the years, I've known a couple dozen people who have cut their weight more than 15-20% (without bariatric surgery). Many look better now than they used to. But only one that I recall has kept most of the weight off; he developed a serious gastrointestinal problem that is contributing to this.

Better news, at least to my fragile psyche, is that I am a runner again. Being unable to run for many years was hard on my self-image. It seems like something fundamental to my existence as an animal. I dream of it -- more when I haven't been able to do it for a long time.

I'm not fast. And running requires multiple pain-killers, timed so that deadened nerves out-weighs sedation. But once a week I can now go out for 90 minutes on hilly trails and finish with 20 sprints of roughly 30 yards. Last week I did this at midnight with a flashlight and phone, in case I ran into problems. That was a challenge to both mind and body. But I didn't want to miss my running window. And while nothing like fast, I'm having to find longer trail routes because I'm getting faster (that is, less slow) and spilling out too soon onto city streets that my fragile feet can't handle. I'm of course thrilled to have this problem.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:24 am

Johnnie wrote:I'm in some pretty intensive physical therapy to strengthen my core. My back, still after all these years, is shitty and not getting better. Well, when I told my PCM I wanted a referral off base, it was agreed to by her, but not the base.

So I was seen by the doc (after begrudgingly agreeing considering my history - I'm sick of military doctors telling me there's nothing wrong with me when there certainly is) for an initial consult and I was told, surprise, surprise my L3/L4, L4/L5, and L5/S1 discs all have moderate bulging. This is from an MRI from over a year ago, btw. My PCM in Germany sucks at life. Not bad enough for surgery, but enough to continuously piss me off. She told me that I was fine and that I have normal "narrowing" in the back. It's far more complex than that.

It makes so much more sense why any movement that has weight in a forward tilt (deadlift, hang position movements, etc) fucks my world up. Especially in the eccentric movement.

We'll see what happens, but whatever. I'm basically resigned to not being better at doing CrossFit ever. Between this and my breathing, I'm average at best. Very disheartening. And seeing a friend of mine at 170 lbs body weight front squat 370 lbs, just twists the knife. I'm at 205ish and my max front squat is 285. I feel weak.

I'm glad you finally got a satisfactory diagnosis. I imagine it's a relief to have long-standing mysteries cleared up, even if this is not good news for the form of exercise you prefer. Any indication as to whether the physical therapy might improve your ability to perform forward-tilt exercises, or is it more about regaining pain-free movement?

I know what you mean about feeling weak. A lot of what we think about ourselves has to do with personal expectations and peer comparison. But you know that in the majority of gyms you'd be way out on the beastly end of the spectrum, despite the limitation your spine has imposed.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:36 am

It just reminded me that I'm in the military and I'm at the mercy of people more worried about following linear procedures and not pushing you off to the right specialists when it's feasible. I'm not sure if the medical world is as crazy with paperwork and there's the natural inertia of not wanting to do it so you sluff off because your want to be lazy, but I had to nearly threaten my PCM in Germany to get an MRI.

Overall, the physical therapy was good, but I think it's more structural in nature for my back to not get better. There just won't be a day where I wake up and go "a ha!" and my back is better. The movements themselves, with less weight, are far more manageable. We did hang clans the other day and with light weight plus maintaining an upright posture, I was quite ok.

As for strength and getting stronger, I simply can't judge myself amongst my peers. I have to judge against myself from months ago. Two days ago I was able to do a 255 lb power clean and jerk. And the jerk was a power jerk, a bit more difficult, generally, than a split jerk. A couple months ago I had to do a full clean to get to 260 lbs. And I've never done a jerk that heavy. So...yes, I'd love to walk in throw 315 on a barbell and pick it up, but that just can't happen immediately.

What sucks is that same day we did the non strength part of the workout. 30 clean and jerks for time at 135 lbs. And I, possibly riding high on the PR from a few minutes previously or just plain complacency, smashed my jaw on the very first rep of the jerk (press) portion of the movement. My tongue took the brunt of it. Bruised, cut, and swollen from teeth imprints. Eating has been a chore. And talking sucks. But I'm good and when I look around my class there's maybe one person lifting the weights I am.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:09 pm

Congratulations on the PR! That must be very rewarding.

I'm in a different -- lower -- league than you. There are roughly 30 movements (upper body, lower body, core) I do at least a couple times each month. Whenever I can do more reps or add weight I am thrilled. With so many movements, when I'm working out regularly as I have been, I get several PRs every month. Often times progress on some focal exercise is frustratingly slow. Minor injuries mean I have to actually move backwards at times. So each and every PR feels really good and builds my motivation.

Different topic. Do you think you'll be doing exercises along the lines of the clean and jerk when you are, say, 55?

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:00 pm

DC47 wrote:Different topic. Do you think you'll be doing exercises along the lines of the clean and jerk when you are, say, 55?

Well, in keeping with CrossFit the way I plan, the answer is yes. They have divisions for the older crowd and some of these guys are pretty strong. But, will I be lifting the same weight? Unlikely. Just because as you get older you start losing ability and mortality catches up with you.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:21 am

Leg day again yesterday. Not as much day after fatigue as usual, so that's good. Did a little more on squats, up to 205, but really felt it in my knees. Not sure how much more I will even attempt to squat. I'm not trying to be some power lifter, so I figure if I can do five sets of five at 225, that will be plenty for 39-year old me, along with some other leg exercises.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:12 am

Looking for a little medical advice here, so I'm hoping Dr. Howard is in the thread. Bronto is here for sure.

About 3 weeks ago, we held an impromptu soccer practice, dads and girls. So much fun. I had what I thought was typical soreness, but the muscle pain in one leg still hasn't cleared. It is the very top of my calf, just below the back of my knee, and to a lesser extent, another muscle just above the same knee. I should have asked weeks ago, but what can I do about this? I feel it walking, but it isn't that bad. I have been continuing my usual workouts, running on the treadmill and elliptical. Again, I feel it, but not too painful. Kicking a ball softly is fine, but shooting is still excruciating. The rest of my leg muscles were equally sore, but were fine in 2 days, like any workout.

I know I probably should have rested it, but I'm on a mission to lose some weight. The first couple of days I rested it, and used a heated massager on it. It still hurts if I push on the muscles, but it is just a very small area that is sore, not much bigger than a fingertip. So, is it normal for a muscle to still hurt 3 weeks later? Since I know doctors love to diagnose based on online posts, what is this? A torn muscle? When will it go away? Fuck getting old.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:13 am

Sounds like Cancer AIDS of the knee to me.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:38 am

The Sybian wrote:Kicking a ball softly is fine, but shooting is still excruciating.

Sounds like you have (I haven't followed soccer long enough to know who has a rep for not shooting enough)'s Disease!!!

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:45 am

Do some yoga for legs.

*medical advice from a lawyer

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:50 am

No idea what it could be, but get yourself a foam roller. Trigger point's is $25. It's usually $40. That's a phenomenal price.

howard · Post by **howard** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:14 am

A_B wrote:Sounds like Cancer AIDS of the knee to me.

Not a bad guess, for a lay person, but this is why you leave it to a pro. Definitely AIDS Cancer, not what AB said.

Generally for folks your age, calf strains need a lot of rest to heal. Meaning nothing but minimal walking for at least a week, preferably two. Not even stretching for a week or two. The above the knee strain sounds like a hamstring tendon, which should heal with less babying, and should respond well to stretching.

Maybe you can swim instead of treadmill/elliptical for two weeks. Bronto is a better source than me for this injury, and of course I could better tell by physical exam.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:02 am

howard wrote:
A_B wrote:Sounds like Cancer AIDS of the knee to me.
Not a bad guess, for a lay person, but this is why you leave it to a pro. Definitely AIDS Cancer, not what AB said.

Generally for folks your age, calf strains need a lot of rest to heal. Meaning nothing but minimal walking for at least a week, preferably two. Not even stretching for a week or two. The above the knee strain sounds like a hamstring tendon, which should heal with less babying, and should respond well to stretching.

Maybe you can swim instead of treadmill/elliptical for two weeks. Bronto is a better source than me for this injury, and of course I could better tell by physical exam.

Great, I'll stop by your office at 12:30. Which Reynold's Nap location are you working out of today?

My son has one of them rollers. I used a heated massager on it the first 2 days, and I got the sense it wasn't a good pain. Same with stretching. When I do stretch my calf, it tends to cramp up and stay in a tight ball for 10 seconds or so. Look forward to Rass or D ellipsesing this post.