The Important Sounds of Things Falling Apart

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Re: The Important Sounds of Things Falling Apart

Post by DaveInSeattle » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:04 pm

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I mean, fuckin' A guys.. The Civil Rights Act was enacted in no small part because of the reaction to the 1967 and 1968 riots and protests.

I hate to see what's going on, but it's pretty tough to tell black people (and their allies in the streets) that nothing good comes from rioting.
Wasn’t the Civil Rights Act passed in ’64?

(To give those who ain’t got a little more?)

The reaction to the 1967 and 1968 riots was Richard Nixon being elected.
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Steve of phpBB wrote:
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Nonlinear FC wrote:
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I mean, fuckin' A guys.. The Civil Rights Act was enacted in no small part because of the reaction to the 1967 and 1968 riots and protests.

I hate to see what's going on, but it's pretty tough to tell black people (and their allies in the streets) that nothing good comes from rioting.
Wasn’t the Civil Rights Act passed in ’64?

(To give those who ain’t got a little more?)

The reaction to the 1967 and 1968 riots was Richard Nixon being elected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1968

There was also an important CRA passed in 1968 which included Fair Housing legislation, among other things.

ETA: This too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_a ... ct_of_1968

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Post by Gunpowder » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:32 pm

https://www.wlrn.org/post/federal-riot- ... d#stream/0

The police continued to not be dicks in Miami and nothing is burning to the ground. Damages in my area amount to:

• A cracked window at the CVS


It's remarkable how well not indiscriminately tear-gassing crowds and not escalating situations keeps the peace. Fuckin' remarkable, I tell ya.
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Post by HaulCitgo » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:20 am

Hear you but they tried that Friday night in Atlanta and didn't go so well. I'd say more like the other way around. If protestors are peaceful then the cops can avoid using tear gas and tasers. Peaceful protests are fine but when property is damaged you have to crack down as a government. I wouldn't do that job for sure. No win.

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Steve of phpBB wrote:
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(To give those who ain’t got a little more?)
*golf clap*
(mainly because I was listening to that when I was mowing my lawn yesterday)
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Post by Giff » Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:49 am

What's the context? Who is he speaking to?
Muh.

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Giff wrote:
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What's the context? Who is he speaking to?
He's complaining about the LAPD police chief, so I'd imagine some Zoom based Los Angeles municipal meeting.
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Post by Ryan » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:39 am

It's the LAPD commission meeting. I believe that's the chief at the bottom.
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Post by Giff » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:46 am

The response in Houston has been pretty impressive. A friend of mine manages a Marriott right across the street from where 60,000 protesters gathered yesterday and was very complimentary of how peaceful everyone was.
Muh.

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Post by L-Jam3 » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:50 am

Can we get Johnnie on this regarding the Lincoln Memorial? Isn't it a requirement under international laws of war, or at least (NPI) conventional that members of armed forces have identifying info like a name plate on their person?
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Post by brian » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:52 am

Giff wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:46 am
The response in Houston has been pretty impressive. A friend of mine manages a Marriott right across the street from where 60,000 protesters gathered yesterday and was very complimentary of how peaceful everyone was.
It helps that the chief of police there is not only not a fascist, but a really, really decent-seeming dude.
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Post by brian » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:52 am

(It's weird how in all of these cities where the leaders of the police departments seem to respect their citizens that there's no violence. Guess we'll never understand how that happened.)
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Post by P.D.X. » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:53 am

L-Jam3 wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:50 am
Can we get Johnnie on this regarding the Lincoln Memorial? Isn't it a requirement under international laws of war, or at least (NPI) conventional that members of armed forces have identifying info like a name plate on their person?
Those could also be police, right? Can't tell anymore.

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P.D.X. wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:53 am
L-Jam3 wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:50 am
Can we get Johnnie on this regarding the Lincoln Memorial? Isn't it a requirement under international laws of war, or at least (NPI) conventional that members of armed forces have identifying info like a name plate on their person?
Those could also be police, right? Can't tell anymore.
Of course, they're supposed to as well (at least an identifiable badge of some sort.)
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:56 am

Def Sec Esper breaks with Trump on Insurrection Act.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... nal&wpmk=1
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Post by EdRomero » Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 am

It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.

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Post by brian » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:00 pm

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It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.
Which, if true, should be one of the biggest scandals in American history since that is not only illegal, it's tantamount to treason.
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Nonlinear FC wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:56 am
Def Sec Esper breaks with Trump on Insurrection Act.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... nal&wpmk=1
My all-consuming cynicism sees this as laying the groundwork for "look, he was vocally against before now" if things continue to slide.
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:10 pm

mister d wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:07 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:56 am
Def Sec Esper breaks with Trump on Insurrection Act.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... nal&wpmk=1
My all-consuming cynicism sees this as laying the groundwork for "look, he was vocally against before now" if things continue to slide.
It's a curious move, to be sure.
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Post by brian » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:11 pm

I'll take whatever discord amongst these fucksticks I can get. I'm really loving the insider pieces in the WaPo and NYT about how much Trump is freaking out.
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You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.

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Post by Steve of phpBB » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:23 pm

EdRomero wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 am
It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.
Don’t those vests say “Military Police”?
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.

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Post by A_B » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:24 pm

I mean, there were prison guards around the white house this morning. We aren't far from a private force or a vigilante maga force.
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Post by A_B » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:25 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:23 pm
EdRomero wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 am
It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.
Don’t those vests say “Military Police”?
1 or 2 might, but I don't see identifying marks on the others.
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EdRomero wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 am
It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.
A praetorian guard?
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Post by DaveInSeattle » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:41 pm

EdRomero wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 am
It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.
Just saw this on Twitter:


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Post by Steve of phpBB » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:42 pm

A_B wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:25 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:23 pm
EdRomero wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 am
It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.
Don’t those vests say “Military Police”?
1 or 2 might, but I don't see identifying marks on the others.
I guess I just assumed that since the uniforms all matched, they were all from the same unit. But who knows.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.

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brian wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:00 pm
EdRomero wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 am
It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.
Which, if true, should be one of the biggest scandals in American history since that is not only illegal, it's tantamount to treason.
Blackwater was deployed in New Orleans during Katrina. Can they say they are hiring them as security guards? Sure, they are military mercenaries with all the equipment and weaponry of special forces, but there are THUGS out there that need to be DOMINATED!!!
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This is what I was referring to, which apparently is happening again today


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Pretty sure they're with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which is up under DoJ. I read where these guys are the prison riot guys.
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Nonlinear FC wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:20 pm
Pretty sure they're with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which is up under DoJ. I read where these guys are the prison riot guys.
Sure but why can't they identify themselves as such then? Being weird about it and looking like proud boys isn't helping.

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P.D.X. wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:23 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:20 pm
Pretty sure they're with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which is up under DoJ. I read where these guys are the prison riot guys.
Sure but why can't they identify themselves as such then? Being weird about it and looking like proud boys isn't helping.
Oh, yeah, I'm not... like... cool with it.

There just seemed to be some question about who they were.
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Post by degenerasian » Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:51 pm

Sounds like this afternoon Chauvin's charge will be upgraded to 2nd degree murder and the other three officers will be with aiding and abetting second-degree murder.

For Chauvin absolutely, for the three officers, i think that's going to be tough to prove, especially if Chauvin was the senior of the leader of that troop.
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Post by tennbengal » Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:52 pm

degenerasian wrote:
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Sounds like this afternoon Chauvin's charge will be upgraded to 2nd degree murder and the other three officers will be with aiding and abetting second-degree murder.

For Chauvin absolutely, for the three officers, i think that's going to be tough to prove.
They stood and watched. If this were not a gang of police and instead the same thing happened with civilians, and three others stood around and watched someone choke someone to death, they would face the same charges - rightfully.

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