The Swamp

www.kexp.org has been amazing all day. All black artists...with no air breaks for the DJ's. Except for one this morning at 9...complete silence for 8minutes, 48 seconds.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:30 pm I mean, fuckin' A guys.. The Civil Rights Act was enacted in no small part because of the reaction to the 1967 and 1968 riots and protests.

I hate to see what's going on, but it's pretty tough to tell black people (and their allies in the streets) that nothing good comes from rioting.

Wasn’t the Civil Rights Act passed in ’64?

(To give those who ain’t got a little more?)

The reaction to the 1967 and 1968 riots was Richard Nixon being elected.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:04 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:30 pm I mean, fuckin' A guys.. The Civil Rights Act was enacted in no small part because of the reaction to the 1967 and 1968 riots and protests.

I hate to see what's going on, but it's pretty tough to tell black people (and their allies in the streets) that nothing good comes from rioting.

Wasn’t the Civil Rights Act passed in ’64?

(To give those who ain’t got a little more?)

The reaction to the 1967 and 1968 riots was Richard Nixon being elected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1968

There was also an important CRA passed in 1968 which included Fair Housing legislation, among other things.

ETA: This too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_a ... ct_of_1968

https://www.wlrn.org/post/federal-riot- ... d#stream/0

The police continued to not be dicks in Miami and nothing is burning to the ground. Damages in my area amount to:

• A cracked window at the CVS


It's remarkable how well not indiscriminately tear-gassing crowds and not escalating situations keeps the peace. Fuckin' remarkable, I tell ya.

Hear you but they tried that Friday night in Atlanta and didn't go so well. I'd say more like the other way around. If protestors are peaceful then the cops can avoid using tear gas and tasers. Peaceful protests are fine but when property is damaged you have to crack down as a government. I wouldn't do that job for sure. No win.

You go hard and end up fired and charged https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ajc.co ... /amp.html

You stay calm and end up in Grady ICU https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs46. ... c.amp.html

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:04 pm
(To give those who ain’t got a little more?)

*golf clap*
(mainly because I was listening to that when I was mowing my lawn yesterday)

sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:25 pm

I shouldn't be laughing, but I'm laughing.

What's the context? Who is he speaking to?

Giff wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:49 am What's the context? Who is he speaking to?

He's complaining about the LAPD police chief, so I'd imagine some Zoom based Los Angeles municipal meeting.

It's the LAPD commission meeting. I believe that's the chief at the bottom.

Obama addressing the nation at obama.org at 5 p.m. ET today.

Lincoln Memorial.

The response in Houston has been pretty impressive. A friend of mine manages a Marriott right across the street from where 60,000 protesters gathered yesterday and was very complimentary of how peaceful everyone was.

Can we get Johnnie on this regarding the Lincoln Memorial? Isn't it a requirement under international laws of war, or at least (NPI) conventional that members of armed forces have identifying info like a name plate on their person?

Giff wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:46 am The response in Houston has been pretty impressive. A friend of mine manages a Marriott right across the street from where 60,000 protesters gathered yesterday and was very complimentary of how peaceful everyone was.

It helps that the chief of police there is not only not a fascist, but a really, really decent-seeming dude.

(It's weird how in all of these cities where the leaders of the police departments seem to respect their citizens that there's no violence. Guess we'll never understand how that happened.)

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:50 am Can we get Johnnie on this regarding the Lincoln Memorial? Isn't it a requirement under international laws of war, or at least (NPI) conventional that members of armed forces have identifying info like a name plate on their person?

Those could also be police, right? Can't tell anymore.

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:53 am

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:50 am Can we get Johnnie on this regarding the Lincoln Memorial? Isn't it a requirement under international laws of war, or at least (NPI) conventional that members of armed forces have identifying info like a name plate on their person?

Those could also be police, right? Can't tell anymore.

Of course, they're supposed to as well (at least an identifiable badge of some sort.)

Def Sec Esper breaks with Trump on Insurrection Act.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... nal&wpmk=1

It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.

EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 am It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.

Which, if true, should be one of the biggest scandals in American history since that is not only illegal, it's tantamount to treason.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:56 am Def Sec Esper breaks with Trump on Insurrection Act.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... nal&wpmk=1

My all-consuming cynicism sees this as laying the groundwork for "look, he was vocally against before now" if things continue to slide.

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:07 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:56 am Def Sec Esper breaks with Trump on Insurrection Act.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... nal&wpmk=1

My all-consuming cynicism sees this as laying the groundwork for "look, he was vocally against before now" if things continue to slide.

It's a curious move, to be sure.

I'll take whatever discord amongst these fucksticks I can get. I'm really loving the insider pieces in the WaPo and NYT about how much Trump is freaking out.

EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 am It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.

Don’t those vests say “Military Police”?

I mean, there were prison guards around the white house this morning. We aren't far from a private force or a vigilante maga force.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:23 pm

EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 am It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.

Don’t those vests say “Military Police”?

1 or 2 might, but I don't see identifying marks on the others.

EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 am It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.

A praetorian guard?

EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 am It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.

Just saw this on Twitter:

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:25 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:23 pm

EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 am It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.

Don’t those vests say “Military Police”?

1 or 2 might, but I don't see identifying marks on the others.

I guess I just assumed that since the uniforms all matched, they were all from the same unit. But who knows.

brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:00 pm

EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 am It looks like there are some police vests in the background, but I've also seen there were troop like people saying they worked for Department of Justice, which led people to believe that whatever Blackwater is called now is involved.

Which, if true, should be one of the biggest scandals in American history since that is not only illegal, it's tantamount to treason.

Blackwater was deployed in New Orleans during Katrina. Can they say they are hiring them as security guards? Sure, they are military mercenaries with all the equipment and weaponry of special forces, but there are THUGS out there that need to be DOMINATED!!!

This is what I was referring to, which apparently is happening again today

Pretty sure they're with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which is up under DoJ. I read where these guys are the prison riot guys.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:20 pm Pretty sure they're with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which is up under DoJ. I read where these guys are the prison riot guys.

Sure but why can't they identify themselves as such then? Being weird about it and looking like proud boys isn't helping.

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:23 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:20 pm Pretty sure they're with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which is up under DoJ. I read where these guys are the prison riot guys.

Sure but why can't they identify themselves as such then? Being weird about it and looking like proud boys isn't helping.

Oh, yeah, I'm not... like... cool with it.

There just seemed to be some question about who they were.

Sounds like this afternoon Chauvin's charge will be upgraded to 2nd degree murder and the other three officers will be with aiding and abetting second-degree murder.

For Chauvin absolutely, for the three officers, i think that's going to be tough to prove, especially if Chauvin was the senior of the leader of that troop.

degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:51 pm Sounds like this afternoon Chauvin's charge will be upgraded to 2nd degree murder and the other three officers will be with aiding and abetting second-degree murder.

For Chauvin absolutely, for the three officers, i think that's going to be tough to prove.

They stood and watched. If this were not a gang of police and instead the same thing happened with civilians, and three others stood around and watched someone choke someone to death, they would face the same charges - rightfully.