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Johnny Carwash wrote:The things I'm hearing are weirdly contradictory—some saying that it doesn't do anything revolutionary, with others saying that it has some huge plot twists and will be really divisive.


I've seen both in the same review. Really want to read some more but I think I should stop and just wait for Thursday night.



This is where I am, except it will probably be saturday at the earliest for me


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Johnny Carwash wrote:The things I'm hearing are weirdly contradictory—some saying that it doesn't do anything revolutionary, with others saying that it has some huge plot twists and will be really divisive.


I've seen both in the same review. Really want to read some more but I think I should stop and just wait for Thursday night.



This is where I am, except it will probably be saturday at the earliest for me


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Oh this thread will be avoided at all costs for sure.
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The buzz is still very good. The early reviews I have read have been pretty glowing without revealing plot points. Still holding at 94% on tomatoes. I am seeing it Friday night. Feeling optimistic.
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Having Luke Skywalker come out as gay at the end was a pretty interesting choice.
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brian wrote:Having Luke Skywalker come out as gay at the end was a pretty interesting choice.


Especially because he was getting w/ Dumbledore. Holy cross-over.
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Rian Johnson asks fans to not go see The Last Jedi.

(It's a Clickhole parody. Just felt like I should throw that out there so someone doesn't mention that Clickhole is a parody site, which I obviously already know.)
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I seen it. It was good. A lot of fun. I did have to go pee in the middle.
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Loved it.
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Seeing it with the family on Sunday. Very much looking forward to it, and that was before the positive reviews started coming out.
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So is this actually going to be a "Spoiler Edition" thread? I haven't seen the movie yet, so I'm hesitant to wander in here.
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Steve of phpBB wrote:So is this actually going to be a "Spoiler Edition" thread? I haven't seen the movie yet, so I'm hesitant to wander in here.


Could we agree on a policy of using spoiler tags for major things for maybe...the first week?
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Was pretty disappointed. The writing was not good. I expect star wars dialogue to be somewhat cringe worthy, but sigh. It feels like they just went "well we don't want to mess this up, we'll make it have a bunch of throw away jokes" yes most of them are funny, but they would sometimes undercut what could have been powerful or emotional scenes.
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Saw it today, enjoyed the hell out of it, but have some quibbles.

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1. How would Bennnnnnnnico Dddddel Torooo know that they launched the cloaked transports? Finn and Rose didn't know that.

2. Laura Dern sucked. That whole thing was stupid, and served nothing but to make a ham handed attempt to teach us and Poe that rashness doesn't always work. Whatever. Also took her way too long to realize and try and cover the escape so let dozens of rebel ships get vaporized.

3. Thank God Rose saved Finn's dumb ass. I was getting mighty tired of heroic sacrifice after the Last Film.

4. The Chewie BBQ scene was big Hollywood trying to turn us all into vegetarians. Not even kidding. I really think that.

5. I enjoyed Hamill, and thought he was great.

6. Domhnall Gleason was enjoyable in the last one, parody in this one.

7. Snope's death was pretty sweet, but come on. Tired of the rent a baddy stuff. Even worse when he was so built up and so powerful. Yes, TOO MUCH PRIDE IS BAD, we get it.

8. Rose is pretty awesome. I liked her.

9. Enjoyed that Luke made himself younger. Pimp move, and made me think something was up, but didn't put it together until the reveal.

10. Red salt was sweet visuals.

11. Pretty sure I could kick Kylo Ren's ass. He's sooooooo whiny.

12. I want a crystal fox. Almost as cool as the toad people housekeepers.

13. Even though the rebellion keeps winning battles they sure are getting their asses kicked. Poor leadership? Lol

14. Ridiculous that silver storm trooper is always conveniently there. About 4 coincidences too many.

15. All of a sudden star destroyers are giant pussy ships now that they have dreadnaughts. Kinda dumb.

16. Nothing better than the Falcon swooping in unexpectedly. "They HATE that ship!"
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In response to B5:

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1. I think you’re right. Hacker powers?

2. Bigger issue I had here was that her and Poe not trusting each other pushed the whole Finn/Rose plot which ultimately was pretty useless to resolving anything (even if the casino planet was of utmost importance in terms of the overall message of the film), and in fact, as noted led to the destruction of most of the transports. I’ve seen it suggested that Dern’s character was the victim of editing, since the FO was picking of a transport every few seconds each time we saw them. Perhaps she didn’t really take so long to make her choice. And her death maneuver was super cool looking.

3. Yeah

4. Um...

5. Yes!

6. Thought he was a weak point in both.

7. Yes it was sweet. I could have maybe used a little more explanation of where he came from and how the FO came about, but loved every bit of action in his throne room.

8. Ok...

9. Yeah. I noticed his beard was a little darker, but thought that because he cut it. Didn’t pick up on his swerve until KR did.

10. Hells yeah.

11. I think he’s great.

12. Character design was great throughout.

13. Yeah.... Still wish we had a better idea of what happened with the Republic. Taking out one planetary system was all it took?

14. Probably

15. There’s always a bigger ship

16. Yeah!
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It was so good I am able to be cool with the quibbles.
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tennbengal wrote:It was so good I am able to be cool with the quibbles.


Is that what they call the

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I can only hope. That scene was quite something.
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blundercrush wrote:Was pretty disappointed. The writing was not good. I expect star wars dialogue to be somewhat cringe worthy, but sigh. It feels like they just went "well we don't want to mess this up, we'll make it have a bunch of throw away jokes" yes most of them are funny, but they would sometimes undercut what could have been powerful or emotional scenes.


I am 100% with this. Also every negative point from BobP's post.

Didn't necessarily mind most of the story decisions, just thought the execution was astonishingly poor. Surprisingly poorly written and directed from someone with Johnson's pedigree. It weirdly reminded me of Attack of the Clones, which was my least-favorite entry before this one.

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Princess Leia flying through space
is the dumbest fucking thing to ever happen in a Star Wars movie, including anything Jar-Jar related.

I might be done with the series if this was indicative of what the future movies will be like. And I liked TFA. I wasn't even really mad, just left disinterested.
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It's very difficult for me to go to a movie in a theater and not enjoy the experience. So, that's kind of a baseline. I REALLY enjoyed this movie, but I did reach a point where I wanted them to start moving towards a finish line.

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* - Going to wholeheartedly agree that the Dern character and the tension with Poe just seemed a bit forced. And that it took her WAY too fucking long to launch that kamikaze attack. The result was badass, but they lost at least a dozen transports while Rome was burning there.

* - That scene with KR being shirtless would've been disastrous if they hadn't had her throw in the "put on a towel" line. As it was, it was still kind of like... Stop it already.

* - I found a lot of the movie funny, in a good way. I don't think the audience I was among got about 50 percent of the laugh lines. I think they were taking a lot of it too seriously. The charm of Hope and Empire is that it included a lot of tongue-in-cheek and wink at the audience stuff.
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Oh another thing... Reading up a bit about what people seem to be liking/not liking about this movie:

I've been deeply in to Star Wars since I was 7 years old and that Destroyer swallowed the screen and blew my mind. But I've never been a SW nerd,
in terms of reading the novels, getting deeply into everyone's back-backstory. I don't pick apart the details and I don't have family trees pulled up to examine potential bloodlines.

In other words, yes, I have expectations and I make assumptions about what I think might happen. But I don't have things I think SHOULD happen.

So when Johnson set out to pretty much blow up so many of the SW tropes, I loved pretty much all of it. Everyone thought Rey was going to see Luke to get a Yoda-style training. Instead we get Luke as bitter old man, telling her to get off his lawn.

Everyone wanted Poe to just rip shit up and dominate the aerial battles... And he sort of did, while burning through the bomber fleet recklessly and getting a smack in the face and a demotion.

The scene with Fin being caught trying to escape, all prefaced by her adoring fangirl routine was maybe a bit heavyhanded in retrospect, but sure did a great job of tearing down the Hero worship aspect of both characters in the movie, but a certain segment of the audience, as well.
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Nonlinear FC wrote:
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Oh another thing... Reading up a bit about what people seem to be liking/not liking about this movie:

I've been deeply in to Star Wars since I was 7 years old and that Destroyer swallowed the screen and blew my mind. But I've never been a SW nerd,
in terms of reading the novels, getting deeply into everyone's back-backstory. I don't pick apart the details and I don't have family trees pulled up to examine potential bloodlines.

In other words, yes, I have expectations and I make assumptions about what I think might happen. But I don't have things I think SHOULD happen.

So when Johnson set out to pretty much blow up so many of the SW tropes, I loved pretty much all of it. Everyone thought Rey was going to see Luke to get a Yoda-style training. Instead we get Luke as bitter old man, telling her to get off his lawn.

Everyone wanted Poe to just rip shit up and dominate the aerial battles... And he sort of did, while burning through the bomber fleet recklessly and getting a smack in the face and a demotion.

The scene with Fin being caught trying to escape, all prefaced by her adoring fangirl routine was maybe a bit heavyhanded in retrospect, but sure did a great job of tearing down the Hero worship aspect of both characters in the movie, but a certain segment of the audience, as well.


I agree with this. I have enjoyed Star Wars from the very beginning. I know shit about it that I shouldn't but I don't come into the movies with any preconceived notion of what should be happening. I thought Last Jedi was a tremendous movie and tons of fun.
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In retrospect, I think this piece gets it spot on. I still have some of my issues, but most of those were fanboy wanting things to turn out the way I expected. There are parts of this I really really adore, and I think I will enjoy watching it again sometime.
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Saw it yesterday afternoon. I liked it, but thought the middle 3rd got a bit draggy in spots. The closing battle on the red salt planet was awesome. The visuals were fantastic all the way through, and I thought Hamill was really good. Oscar Issac should just be in every movie.

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-The Leia flying through space was dumb.
-The fight in Snoke's throne room with the Red Dudes was badass
-Finn should have died (Nothing against John Boyega, or the character, but it would have made more sense in the story)
-Gravity is incredibly variable in the Star Wars world


My GF was confused by the whole thing...turns out she was conflating the story lines between Force Awakens and Rogue One.
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I at first thought the Frozen Statueof Liberty was stupid. But you know what? Her brother can astral-project his likeness across the fucking galaxy and then disappear in a sunset of love and peace. Leia is a damn powerful person in the force herself. We just haven't seen a lot of it. I'm fine with it. I think it could have been blocked better though cause it did kind of look silly.
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I overall liked it but think it was 20 minutes or so too long. Kylo Ren's scenes in the first half were not very good at all.

I personally thought that while the scene with Snoke's bodyguards looked cool and served to get a good lightsaber battle in, two of the three most powerful force-wielders in the known universe should have been able to deal with that threat pretty easily.

I thought the Rose character was great as narrative glue.

Didn't care for the del Toro omniscience and I also suspect we haven't seen the last of him.

Leia through the air was silly only because how did she have NO FUCKING SUPERFICIAL INJURIES from the entire bridge exploding? Should have been torn to pieces, no?

Captain Phasma is a completely wasted character. There was no need for her in either of these first two installments.

I like that the movie is going out of its way to give women prominent roles, but agree that Dern was ill-used.

This ones on me, but: I don't usually go to the Movie Tavern but it was the one that had reserved seating so I knew I wasn't going to be sitting in the front row but the guy comes to bring us our check at the EXACT MOMENT the Falcon comes into the last battle. Everyone fucking cheers and I'm looking at this doofus handing me a bill.

Questions/Thoughts for IX:

Who's going to teach Rey how to build a lightsaber?

I want to think Phasma isn't dead and will either join with the General to take down Ren in some kind of early movie coup or will join up with Ren as his General Grievous-type character. I dunno, but they have not done right by Gwendolyn Christie. You don't get a badass woman to play that role then not use her.

I'm assuming we will get a bit of Luke/Yoda interaction with Rey, and I can only assume she's strong enough with the force that she doesn't need real training? Cause we saw with one guy who didn't get started early enough how that turns out.
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ANd one other thing:

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The kid at the end did use the force to grab his broom, right?
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A_B wrote:ANd one other thing:

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The kid at the end did use the force to grab his broom, right?


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Holy Shit what a perfect tweet

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Don't want to start a slap fight over Star Wars, but I don't think I've ever seen so many articles telling me I was wrong to dislike a movie as with this one.
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Johnny Carwash wrote:Don't want to start a slap fight over Star Wars, but I don't think I've ever seen so many articles telling me I was wrong to dislike a movie as with this one.



I think there are legit reasons to dislike the movie if you feel strongly about how they handled the canon/fan service, so to speak.
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A_B wrote:ANd one other thing:

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The kid at the end did use the force to grab his broom, right?


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That was so f'ing cool. I wonder how many people missed that. It was definitely a blink and you miss it thing.
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I'm gonna just stay in spoiler mode, so I don't have to think about that issue... Kind of a round up of responses to stuff posted below.

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I 100 percent understand why folks have issues with the movie. Like I said before, though, I think there's a segment of the fan base that spends an extraordinary amount of time overthinking and speculating and when all of that turns out to be a big waste time, they feel butt hurt.

I don't think the legit issues brought up in here come anywhere near that turf. Where I would agree with criticism:

* The movie is too long. I don't mind lengthy movies, but that didn't need to be 2.5 hours. I liked the Casino/Bight foray, but that dragged on for quite a bit of time to make a "rich people are bad, the future is with the little people" point.

* Leia flying through the air looked silly. I don't have a problem with it conceptually, like AB said. But, yeah, it could've been done better or in a less goofy looking way.

* While I gave zero fucks about Snoke or whatever the fuck his name is, I do have an issue with making him this major deal with no backstory and then just killing him off. In general, the franchise has kind of skated by with a "those are the bad guys" with very little context in terms of their... deal.
What's their deal? I dunno, they kind of try to skirt that issue by having all of their troops by manufactured clones, so they don't have to explain what drives them to do the bidding of whatever bad guy is in charge. But it leaves you still wondering what's driving anyone, beyond "domination of the galaxy."

But overall, a lot of the criticism about taking down canon's might be valid in terms of a strongly held opinion, I just disagree with it.

And as I said yesterday, some of the folks that didn't see the first two movies in theaters are just flat out missing the mark when it comes to the use of humor in this franchise. By the time it had gotten to Jedi, it had become too mainstream and kid-focused. The first two had a lot of quality laugh-lines for the adults in the audience.
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So my co-worker has a theory on the parentage of Rey.

Luke's lightsaber pretty much called Rey to find it back in FA. When was the last time we saw that particular saber? When Luke had his hand chopped off by his dad at the end of Empire.

Where is the hand now? Doesn't matter because it was used to create a clone. That clone being Rey. Similar to the immaculate conception of Anakin, Rey is also conceived in a similar manner. So she is still part of the Skywalker lineage, just not born in a familiar manner.

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I hope not?
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I think I was on record in this thread (or the other) 2 years ago as saying I hoped she wasn't a Skywalker.

Some of the analysis of the film has talked about how it was in some ways a repudiation of TFA, in the way it dispensed with some of Abrams' "mystery boxes" or what Luke did with the lightsaber, but JJ was the one who included the shot of young Rey in her Force-flashback. She was pretty clearly left with the junker on Jakku, an action we wouldn't accept from any of the "good" guys who were thrown out as possibilities for her parentage. What we learn in TLJ just confirms what that shot appeared to show us. If JJ had a different plan in mind for Rey then he fucked up, and will have to work pretty hard to walk back what happens in TLJ in Episode IX.
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