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Laura Dern looks awesome...


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she was very lithe. Did they cgi her height?
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Laura Dern looks awesome...


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she was very lithe. Did they cgi her height?


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She's 5-10...and Oscar Issac is 5-7
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DaveInSeattle wrote:
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Laura Dern looks awesome...


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she was very lithe. Did they cgi her height?


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She's 5-10...


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looked way taller than that. must have surrounded her with shortlings.
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duff wrote:So my co-worker has a theory on the parentage of Rey.

Luke's lightsaber pretty much called Rey to find it back in FA. When was the last time we saw that particular saber? When Luke had his hand chopped off by his dad at the end of Empire.

Where is the hand now? Doesn't matter because it was used to create a clone. That clone being Rey. Similar to the immaculate conception of Anakin, Rey is also conceived in a similar manner. So she is still part of the Skywalker lineage, just not born in a familiar manner.

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Well, for one, a clone of Luke would be a boy, not a girl.

Second, if she were some really important child, I don't think she would have been abandoned on Jakku unless something bad happened to her parents. And even then, wouldn't someone have known about her?

I think it's much more likely - and a better story - if she is as Kylo Ren said, a nobody. That was the theme of the whole movie! History and legacy means nothing. Yoda literally burned down the ancient Jedi temple. It doesn't matter who your parents were; it only matters who you are and what you do. That's the point of showing those slave kids as well. (and I didn't catch the force move broom thing at the end).
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Yeah, agreed, especially with that kid with the force and the broom at the end. The point there is to wipe out the canon that you had to have a special bloodline to become a Jedi. Johnson was blowing that and a lot of the Phantom bullshit of over-explaining the force (fucking miticlorians or whatever the fuck.) Luke's whole deal with Rey is to demystify the force (i mean, as much as you can demystify something that allows Leia to space-fly while frozen like a Popsicle).

Now, with all that said, what I find weird is that in a franchise where they do shit like pop the fact that Luke and Leia are siblings, or who Luke's dad is, or pick any number of other trick bags... Why people are taking what Kylo said as gospel. I happen to agree with Dave that the point of Rey is to start a new force-using group on the side of Light that de-couples it from a bloodline.

But it could EASILY be pulled back in the next movie as KR just fucking with Rey to get her to turn. Extremely easy to do that.
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I rather like Burneko's take at Deadspin:

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Now, with all that said, what I find weird is that in a franchise where they do shit like pop the fact that Luke and Leia are siblings, or who Luke's dad is, or pick any number of other trick bags... Why people are taking what Kylo said as gospel. I happen to agree with Dave that the point of Rey is to start a new force-using group on the side of Light that de-couples it from a bloodline.

But it could EASILY be pulled back in the next movie as KR just fucking with Rey to get her to turn. Extremely easy to do that.


It's simple thinking, but there sort of has to be something with the casting of an actress that has the Padme look, no? Also, the Ren/Kylo mind thing has to have more than just the bad guy using the Force to get them to go to their happy place. (Going from "feeling a disturbance" to straight up 4G+ coverage was a bit of a jump for me.)

I agree with the disappointment of lack of backstory for Snoke, not sure we'll ever find out about his rise as we've passed the point where it makes sense unless they plan another Rogue One type movie in the future. Then again he's not someone that really care about aside how he guided Kylo.

The floating princess was a tad out of sorts. We should know Leia can manipulate the force, but again a jump from "feelings" to straight up using without a previous example. Not that it was a proper ending for the character, I wonder how they are going to weave Carrie Fisher out of the story and give the character a proper sendoff, especially in knowing that the character is not making an appearance.
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I have so many thoughts, but to make it quick: I didn't care for it all that much. It was a fairly entertaining movie, but nothing great by any means. I'll elaborate once I have more energy to think back over all my issues.
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Apropos of nothing, after seeing (and loving) Last Jedi, the children wanted to go back and watch the original trilogy (again). We finish up with RotJ tonight.

A few observations:

* The chemistry of the original cast, which included a lot more of C3P0 btw, is just uncanny and impossible to replicate.

* It dawned on me just how different it is for the generations that experienced these original movies in the theater versus on cable or DVD. And not just for the visual impact... I had forgotten how much of a twist the introduction of Yoda was in Empire. They bring him in as this little gremlin prankster and we had no idea he was the great Master Yoda. My kids (and a bunch of folks probably up into their 30s) knew who he was the entire time. There were lots of moments where significant plot points had become such canon that watching the movies just wasn't the same. Obviously, it's not like it ruined the experience, but it's just different.

* Man... Empire is a dark movie. Getting punched in the face by a Hoth Yeti, getting shoved into the innards of a tauntaun, a lot of dudes getting blown up, those nasty bat things on that asteroid scaring the shit out of you with their sucker mouth, arms getting chopped off, incest, carbon freezing, C3P0 getting chopped up and spending the bulk of the ending as a wearable on Chewie's back...
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Long form points off the top of my head.

1) Too long. This is true for so many movies these days, but ties in specifically to TLJ in several ways. 2.5 hrs is too long for a movie in 98 of the cases. The middle of this movie drug hard. There were some pieces that were really unneeded in their entirety.

2 and possibly most importantly) Adam Driver sucks. The Character of Kylo Ren sucks. The new movies are really struggling for a great villain . I know it's going to be impossible to replicate Vader from the Trilogy, but they've done very little to develop anything compelling in these baddies. Kylo is a weird bastard child and is pulled back and forth. I get it even though you felt the need to hit me over the head with it for 2 and a half hours, but aside from getting Harrison Ford out of the series, there is nothing to him at all. They tried to do something with Snoke, but again, no backstory means not caring about him or if he dies and how.

3) Piggybacking off of a point in 2, when did the average filmgoer lose their ability to infer a plot point from what was happening and dialogue? Seemed like every 5 minutes someone was shouting from the bridge of a starship exactly what was happening in case your mind had wandered. It really takes me out of the movie when they do that. Why is the captain screaming what is happening at the pilot, when the pilot is clearly watching what is happening? Sigh.

4) The Finn/Rose thing was so forced. Maybe they could have taken the extra 40 minutes in this movie where nothing happened and developed these characters a little more so I would care when one of them risks their life for the other or for the rebellion. I really liked Rose as a character right up until the end when it was all about her saving Finn. She was a bad ass chick and they could have found a way to leave her that way instead of "giving it all up for the love of her life whom she met 3 days ago and wrecked a casino with".

5) Beneeeeeecio. Honestly liked the role, other than you could see the twist/betrayal coming from a mile away.

6) They did a complete disservice to Phasma in both movies. I'm with whoever upthread, I hope she's not dead and there's more to it than that. It the only interesting spark in the idea of a Stormtrooper army where they're all clone derivatives that there is a cool special forces type of unit/command structure you could delve into. Again, we get none of that because of a near complete lack of character development.

7) Much like everyone, the blood salt scenes/battle of Hoth 2.0 were great. A nice shot of what great action can be when it's not completely forced into shit blowing up every 2.3 seconds.

8) Hamill was fantastic. I enjoyed his general "fuck you, I'm Luke Skywalker" attitude and that he was allowed to run with that. He really embraced the bitter old war hero thing and that was very cool.

9) Carrie was great. I teared up at the credits when it said it was dedicated to "our princess". The "force saved my life because if we have it, we're immortal" thing was a terrible trope and beneath her, but the rest of her role she knocked out of the park. I've got a whole bevy of thoughts on the misapplication between "using the force" and "being a Jedi", but that's another long drawn out paragraph no one wants to read.

10) Daisy Ridley is carrying this franchise. I don't know if that can be overstated enough. She's every bit the Luke 2.0 I want in this series.

11) Yoda coming back and chastising the hell out of Luke was easily my favorite part of the movie. You want to hit me in the nostalgia center, a boop to the top of Luke's head from a 2 foot tall little green dude's cane is a pretty good way to do it.


In closing, this was a middle of the road entertaining movie that was too long for want of action sequences that didn't really do it for me. The bright spots are very bright in Rey, Poe, and Rose. A bit lacking from Finn, but I think that's more the writing than Bodega's acting. Adam Driver/KR are terrible, and why is C3P0 still around? There's a $64,000 question. I'm going to go read the internet hot takes I've been avoiding now to see how wrong I am about all the shit I just wrote.
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Saw it. Liked it. Same gripes as you guys.

I'll just add, as a prior aircraft maintainer, who built and maintains all those damn air ships?

Also, gunna take the Kylo Ren challenge. Be right back...

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Also, I saw it again over the break with the kids and still loved it.

BDT's hacker character knowing about the cloaked transports is definitely a hole I missed the first time.

KR had a line the first time he and Rey connected that she couldn't be projecting herself because the effort would kill her. Explains Luke's death a bit, I guess.

I really hope they bring Luke back as a ghost (if for some reason they weren't planning on doing so ("see you around kid", c'mon) I think they almost need to with Fisher not being available for the next movie) but to eff with KR and not to council Rey.

KR's coup, Holdo's sacrifice and Luke's appearance at the end really are all just standout SW moments.
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Same. Saw it again over Christmas break and it was even better second time around. Love it, fave of mine behind Empire.
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Yeah, I saw it a second time as well and agree that it held up as well, or even better, the second time.

I also then rewatched The Force Awakens, because a niece hadn't seen it, and it also seemed like a better movie now that I know more about where the plot is going. It didn't strike me nearly as much as a Ep4 ripoff as it had seemed before.

What is the hole you guys are mentioning about BDT's character and the Resistance's plan? He clearly overhears the conversation between Finn and Po about this. They even give a quick camera view to BDT listening so that we notice it.
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Shirley wrote:What is the hole you guys are mentioning about BDT's character and the Resistance's plan? He clearly overhears the conversation between Finn and Po about this. They even give a quick camera view to BDT listening so that we notice it.


You're right and BDT should know that transports are a plan, but the last time Poe talks to Finn is right before Leia shoots him. Poe doesn't know about the cloaking part of the plan until after he wakes up, and by that point Finn has been captured. I guess he's a super hacker and somehow figured out the plan was to cloak them?
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Shirley wrote:What is the hole you guys are mentioning about BDT's character and the Resistance's plan? He clearly overhears the conversation between Finn and Po about this. They even give a quick camera view to BDT listening so that we notice it.


Nope. Last time Poe talks to Finn is right before Leia shoots him. He doesn't know about the cloaked transport plan until after he wakes up, and by that point Finn has been captured.


Gonna have to disagree with you here. I made a special note of this scene, because I'd read about the supposed plot hole somewhere (here?) and hadn't remembered it from when I watched the first time. Poe sees Holdo and crew loading the transports, so he seizes the leadership (remember, that's why he calls Holdo a coward) and then goes to the ship control room. He talks to Finn from there before Leia comes in. If you remember, he asks Finn and Rose if they've found the codebreaker and they say they found A codebreaker. Then Poe tells him they're planning on abandoning the ship, and BDT overhears.
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What is the hole you guys are mentioning about BDT's character and the Resistance's plan? He clearly overhears the conversation between Finn and Po about this. They even give a quick camera view to BDT listening so that we notice it.


He did, and I literally missed that the first time, somehow...
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Shirley wrote:What is the hole you guys are mentioning about BDT's character and the Resistance's plan? He clearly overhears the conversation between Finn and Po about this. They even give a quick camera view to BDT listening so that we notice it.


Nope. Last time Poe talks to Finn is right before Leia shoots him. He doesn't know about the cloaked transport plan until after he wakes up, and by that point Finn has been captured.


Gonna have to disagree with you here. I made a special note of this scene, because I'd read about the supposed plot hole somewhere (here?) and hadn't remembered it from when I watched the first time. Poe sees Holdo and crew loading the transports, so he seizes the leadership (remember, that's why he calls Holdo a coward) and then goes to the ship control room. He talks to Finn from there before Leia comes in. If you remember, he asks Finn and Rose if they've found the codebreaker and they say they found A codebreaker. Then Poe tells him they're planning on abandoning the ship, and BDT overhears.


All correct. But Poe doesn't know the plan was to cloak the transports until after he wakes up on one.
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Shirley wrote:What is the hole you guys are mentioning about BDT's character and the Resistance's plan? He clearly overhears the conversation between Finn and Po about this. They even give a quick camera view to BDT listening so that we notice it.


Nope. Last time Poe talks to Finn is right before Leia shoots him. He doesn't know about the cloaked transport plan until after he wakes up, and by that point Finn has been captured.


Gonna have to disagree with you here. I made a special note of this scene, because I'd read about the supposed plot hole somewhere (here?) and hadn't remembered it from when I watched the first time. Poe sees Holdo and crew loading the transports, so he seizes the leadership (remember, that's why he calls Holdo a coward) and then goes to the ship control room. He talks to Finn from there before Leia comes in. If you remember, he asks Finn and Rose if they've found the codebreaker and they say they found A codebreaker. Then Poe tells him they're planning on abandoning the ship, and BDT overhears.


All correct. But Poe doesn't know the plan was to cloak the transports until after he wakes up on one.


Oh, so you're saying the hole is the knowledge that they are cloaking the transports? That's not really a hole, is it? If he tells the First Order that the rebels are planning on sneaking off in transports, the cloaking part is kind of self-evident, isn't it?
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Shirley wrote:What is the hole you guys are mentioning about BDT's character and the Resistance's plan? He clearly overhears the conversation between Finn and Po about this. They even give a quick camera view to BDT listening so that we notice it.


Nope. Last time Poe talks to Finn is right before Leia shoots him. He doesn't know about the cloaked transport plan until after he wakes up, and by that point Finn has been captured.


Gonna have to disagree with you here. I made a special note of this scene, because I'd read about the supposed plot hole somewhere (here?) and hadn't remembered it from when I watched the first time. Poe sees Holdo and crew loading the transports, so he seizes the leadership (remember, that's why he calls Holdo a coward) and then goes to the ship control room. He talks to Finn from there before Leia comes in. If you remember, he asks Finn and Rose if they've found the codebreaker and they say they found A codebreaker. Then Poe tells him they're planning on abandoning the ship, and BDT overhears.


All correct. But Poe doesn't know the plan was to cloak the transports until after he wakes up on one.


Oh, so you're saying the hole is the knowledge that they are cloaking the transports? That's not really a hole, is it? If he tells the First Order that the rebels are planning on sneaking off in transports, the cloaking part is kind of self-evident, isn't it?


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Shirley wrote:I also then rewatched The Force Awakens, because a niece hadn't seen it, and it also seemed like a better movie now that I know more about where the plot is going. It didn't strike me nearly as much as a Ep4 ripoff as it had seemed before.


This guy agrees - https://kotaku.com/star-wars-the-last-j ... 1821721569
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That was a good read - and now I want to scan all 1160 comments to it.
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tennbengal wrote:That was a good read - and now I want to scan all 1160 comments to it.



Yeah, there was a really good take in there about whether Rey is related to "nobility" or if KR was telling the truth and she's just a scavenger with alkie parents. Dude made the point that the Dark Side never really lies... He goes through each instance and DV is telling Luke the truth, Palpatin wasn't lying when the tells Obi-Wan about his plans, the other dude talking about Padmi, and Snoke isn't lying about stuff, he just read the situation wrong.

They might twist the truth, but they don't lie. So KR might be accurate saying that his parents sold her for "drinking money" but that could just as easily be something like his parents having to part ways with her to procure water to live, and they promised to come back. (Just spitballing.)
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Just got back from seeing this movie. Now I can finally catch up on this thread, and now I finally get AB’s avatar.

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If they were remaking Star Wars now (which I never hope happens) but Glover would make an incredible Han Solo.
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wlu_lax6 wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 6:57 am So Lando is Pan?
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Saw it....enjoyed it...but I just wanted a fun sci fi movie. My 11 year old boy who is DEEP in the universe had some issues. He preferred the "Legends" version on Han meeting Chewie. Glover as Lando worked. Enough tie in to keep it fun but independent story line to be good.
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Finally saw Solo today, and I really liked it!

Thinking about it after the fact, only one of the attempts to explain/answer every little question from the past 40 years fell completely flat (his last name) and I loved the complete repudiation of one of the worst moments (Luke’s shriek in ESB:SE was really bad, too) of the Special Editions. And the little cameo at the end was a complete surprise, and makes me even more hopeful for a
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This is sweet. Topher Grace edited it all movies into a 5 minute ultimate trailer.

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I am underwhelmed.
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A_B wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:06 pmI am underwhelmed.
I like JJ but had some major issues with TFA.

I liked TLJ but had minor issue with it.

I think most of my issues with TLJ can be traced to TFA.

I’m worried TSR might too much a response to the backlash to TLJ, and too much a direct sequel to TFA.

I’m worried there wasn’t one vision for the overall story here and it might not end up working,
I felt aswirl with warm secretions.
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Re: Star Wars Thread...The Spoiler Edition

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You nailed it.
You know what you need? A lyrical sucker punch to the face.
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