that button is clicked and a squad of xwings just shows up and blows the shit out of anything they see no questions asked?
Re: Star Wars Thread...The Spoiler Edition
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:18 pm
by mister d
My youngest thinks there’s a character (we think it’s Darth Vader) who is named “Star Wars” and refuses to hear otherwise.
Re: Star Wars Thread...The Spoiler Edition
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:16 am
by tennbengal
mister d wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:18 pm
My youngest thinks there’s a character (we think it’s Darth Vader) who is named “Star Wars” and refuses to hear otherwise.
Your youngest is a genius.
Re: Star Wars Thread...The Spoiler Edition
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:51 am
by Ryan
Better than a “competitive” swimmer
Re: Star Wars Thread...The Spoiler Edition
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:19 pm
by mister d
And I have now reached the limits of my cynicism. May you all FUCK OFF and I’ll see you in a little bit.
Re: Star Wars Thread...The Spoiler Edition
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:50 pm
by A_B
I’ve been waiting for baby yoda to do something and you now what this worked.
I just watched Revenge of the Sith. I'm sure I watched it long ago, but didn't remember much. It's definitely the best of the three prequels. And yet, it's still bad. Such bad dialog. It's amazing that George Lucas ever created the original Star Wars.
Shirley wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:16 pm
I just watched Revenge of the Sith. I'm sure I watched it long ago, but didn't remember much. It's definitely the best of the three prequels. And yet, it's still bad. Such bad dialog. It's amazing that George Lucas ever created the original Star Wars.
The only way to watch the first three is to fast forward any time anakin and Palme are alone.
Disney hooked up AAFES and being at a bare base location, we got to it early. The movie was a great retreat from the hustle and bustle of the day, but...
I don't exactly understand the ending when the very not dead Palatine, who is Rey's grandfather, says "kill me, we become one, and you'll have all the power of the Siths."
But then Kylo, who by this time has turned face because his mother just up and dies of natural causes, and was visited by a very CGI Han Solo in the middle of a fight with Rey earlier, shows up and then Palatine takes both of their life forces and comes back to life.
Rey then musters the power of everything in the world and "Ah ha! I'm a Jedi. I'm not a Sith." kills him with two light sabers. But then she is also dead? Until Kylo gives his life for hers and then Kylo and his mother disappears.
Oh, and there's only hologram Luke. Like, wtf? No Mark Hamill at all in the movie.
And there's another part where C3PO has to be full rebooted because translating a message in a forbidden language required it because that's what the black market Droid hacker said. But then like 30 minutes later R2 have him his memory back? Wut?
Soooooo... Definitely not complaining about seeing the movie. It was kinda cool Disney hooked us up. Though they could've tightened up a few things.
ETA:
Oh my. The Reddit thread has some harsh criticism. And, yes, those comments are definitely valid.
I still agree with this. Might be the moment where it was most clear that JJ was more interested in telling his story than telling a SW story.
rass wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:23 pm
And you know what moment, now almost three days later, is bugging me the most, the one moment I think they just completely mishandled?
There is no fucking way Chewie doesn't go right to Leia for a hug after returning from the mission that saw his best friend in the entire galaxy (and her (ex?)husband) die. No. Way.
From before TLJ:
A_B wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2015 6:20 pm
Needed more yoda may have been a joke douchebozzle
rass wrote: ↑Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:40 am
On Yoda, Force ghosts were made such an important part of the original trilogy ("if you strike me down...") that I think they need to at least be explained away if they are not included in the new movies.
A_B wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:02 amCHUBB all day.
At least AB is excited for the movie.
I'm not even getting to see it until sunday!
Re: Star Wars Thread...The Spoiler Edition
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:15 am
by tennbengal
I’m worried there wasn’t one vision for the overall story here and it might not end up working
Absolutely clear this is the case. In fact, the problem with this set of 3 movies is that it immediately pales in comparison to the overall story-telling narrative arc that so clearly defined the 23 Marvel movies that built to Endgame. A well thought out story for all three movies- that might have been a way to go before they started filming.
Re: Star Wars Thread...The Spoiler Edition
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:55 am
by Ryan
Can’t believe the creator of Lost and Alias let things peter out like this
Re: Star Wars Thread...The Spoiler Edition
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:42 pm
by rass
Ryan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:55 am
Can’t believe the creator of Lost and Alias let things peter out like this
ha
Sydney Bristow wrote:(:`(
I'd love to know if the issue is a lack of a plan, or if JJ and Lucasfilm had a plan and Johnson was somehow allowed to stray that far from whatever it was, and then in that latter case whether this final film is a course-correction by JJ back to what he intended or just a total overreaction to what a chunk of SW fandom loudly complained about in TLJ.
Ryan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:55 am
Can’t believe the creator of Lost and Alias let things peter out like this
ha
Sydney Bristow wrote:(:`(
I'd love to know if the issue is a lack of a plan, or if JJ and Lucasfilm had a plan and Johnson was somehow allowed to stray that far from whatever it was, and then in that latter case whether this final film is a course-correction by JJ back to what he intended or just a total overreaction to what a chunk of SW fandom loudly complained about in TLJ.
I think both of these are true. Which is too bad, because TLJ was much better than TFA
Re: Star Wars Thread...The Spoiler Edition
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:54 pm
by tennbengal
I think I've made this point before, but I am older now than I used to be and repeating myself comes with the territory it appears...
There was such a natural re-set to this - the original trilogy and the prequels treated Jedi and Sith as if the audience knew their origins etc - and the stakes felt appropriately high (good v evil and later father v. son w/ redemptive arcs) that there didn't need to be any larger narrative arc and it didn't matter that we had no idea how long the struggle or how high the relative stakes of that battle.
But this time around? To help raise the stakes (or at least define them)? Some sort of table setter at the outset of 7 that rooted this in the origins of the ancient split between Jedi and Sith and giving a through line to the Daisy character was right there for them. Right there. Wouldn't have needed forever to do it either, a tight 10 or 15 to set the stage at the start of 7 would be have been perfect. Here I am thinking of the initial 10 minutes of Fellowship of the Ring with the Galadrial voiceover to orient watchers to the stakes of a LONG struggle and help cement buy-in. For non-readers, you absolutely knew that the ONE RING mattered after that and why, even if you had never dealt with the story before. Not only did it have narrative benefits, it was cool as hell at setting mood for the three films. Added thought to this - I liked the initial Star Trek re-boot from Abrams - and the first 12 minutes of that which set the stage for understanding why things were different (yet similar) with characters was fucking gripping. Abrams had already successfully done this once, is my point, no idea why he didn't push for that kind of table setter here.
So, yeah, someone with some ability to tell a fucking story and think this shit out would have been nice.***
***Full disclosure, I didn't mind the ending of Lost - and if you hated it you have more issues with Lineloff than Abrams - as that was Lindeloff's show by then. But I also totally am there for any project from Lindeloff, and re-watching Lost a year ago with my son binge style smoothed over a LOT of the frustrating edges as it ended up being very compelling viewed that way rather than waiting week to week or season to season.
Yeah, it pretty much sucked. Just seemed to me that Abrams overreacted WAY too much to the fan-boy criticism to TLJ. Was so fan servicey. Such as the Rose character, who the fan-boys hated in TLJ? She just sits around and looks at monitors now?
Other thoughts:
- The Emperor isn't dead, but has been in hiding all this time? Huh? And who were all the other folks in his lair on the Sith Planet? And no explanation at all about Rey's parents.
- What was up with Planet Burning Man? And the snake that Rey healed? Was that just to show that she had the power so it wouldn't come as a surprise later?
- When they are sinking into the space/quicksand...and Finn says he has something to tell Rey? Did we ever find out what that way?
- The whole 'Chewie was on a different transport ship!'. Bah....terrible.