Scariest presidential candidate

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Who is scariest?

Jeb Bush
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No votes
Ben Carson
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6%
Ted Cruz
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38%
Mike Huckabee
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9%
Rand Paul
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No votes
Marco Rubio
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3%
Donald Trump
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32%
Hillary Clinton
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6%
Bernie Sanders
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3%
Other (please specify)
1
3%
 
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I wanted to bring this up in the presidential race thread, but figured it needed to be a poll. It's based off a conversation I was having with a friend (and something I saw on FB today).

Who is the scariest of the presidential candidates? Legit "Oh we're so screwed" vs. general dislike of a candidate. I have to go with Carson. Trump, as evil as he's being, is pandering to the lowest common denominator. Trying to figure out if I'm an outlier or not.

(Of course, Carson has no shot. But in a hypothetical world.)
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You should have a poll available, Bronto. I know a lot of people will say Ted Cruz, because he really believes in his version of extremism. But, I'd go with Trump. That guy is wildly unpredictable, impulsive and seems perhaps willing to do almost anything imaginable, without much forethought.
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sancarlos wrote:You should have a poll available, Bronto. I know a lot of people will say Ted Cruz, because he really believes in his version of extremism. But, I'd go with Trump. That guy is wildly unpredictable, impulsive and seems perhaps willing to do almost anything imaginable, without much forethought.
Is the poll not showing up at the top? I see it.

(I'm not being snarky. Wondering if I messed something up)
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Didn't see it before. I see it now.
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This is so hard. Carson and Trump would be so incompetent with their complete lack of understanding of how the world works from DC. Cruz and Huckabee dangerous because they do understand how it works. As I said, as much as I hate Clinton, she doesn't even make the top five worst possible president on this list.

As of this date (before a single vote has been cast) Trump because the preseason poll gives him the best chance. If you assume everyone listed had an equal shot at being elected, and just objective worstness, tie between Carson and Huckabee. Carly has to be mentioned too. The serial business failures Trump and Fiorina are a different flavor of horrible.

I just can't pick one. So many disasters.

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One way of approaching the question of 'who is scariest?' is to imagine the candidates as presidents, exercising the power of the office to enact policies that follow the direction of what they are saying in their primary campaigns.

That's not how I respond. I think of how each potential president would interact with Congress, and how the American people would respond to their hypothetical election. So the Republican candidates who generally have the most extreme views and who fit the 'nutcase' profile the best are not necessarily so scary to me.

A President Trump or even the slicker Cruz is going to be under a spotlight much greater than that of the primaries. Tens of millions of Americans are barely following politics right now. But after being elected President, they will get the nation's full attention. This will likely generate a harsh backlash from a large percentage of the American public, in the process engaging millions of people who were have been turned off by politics. That's going to mean that members of Congress -- out of self-protection -- will turn on the election winner even more than they would otherwise. After three years of being largely politically isolated and ineffective as President, a more engaged public will perhaps be likely to elect a far better candidate. Perhaps one who couldn't have been elected in decades past.

The candidates that scare me are ones whose views on key issues I like the least, and who I think will not generate this kind of backlash. They are likely to be able to be quite effective, and likely to win a second term due to the many advantages of incumbency. These candidates are Bush and Clinton, with Rubio as a distant third.

At this point only one of these three looks highly electable, though I think Bush and Rubio have much better chances than their poll numbers suggest. So Hilary Clinton gets my vote as the scariest candidate. In my view, she's also the likeliest to win.
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I voted Cruz. Trump actually doesn't scare me. The campaign crapmis all for show. I think if it actually came down to him being president, he would tone it down and bring in people that know what they're doing.

The fact that EVERYONE hates Cruz is a much more troubling sign than anything else. Even assholes usually have friends. If everyone I read/hear is correct, Cruz is a whole other level of awful. It indicates he'll attract other assholes to fill key positions; permeating the asshole-ery throughout his administration. If we think the gridlock is bad now; wait until President Cruz takes office.

In wide open races like this, I seem to recall the crackpots getting some early numbers in Iowa and New Hampshire, then falling to the side while more "normal" candidates rise up for the remaining primaries. It's hard for me to imagine who could come out of this republican crop to take over. Rubio? Kasich? I just don't see it. The Republican Party has to pissed...all they had to do was throw up someone partially competent to beat Hillary...and they couldn't do it.
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A scary, sickening bunch.

But Mike Huckabee edges out a number of scary guys.
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It's Cruz and there's a huge gap between him and second.
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I had a hard time picking between Carson, Cruz, and Huckabee for scariest. I eventually decided that if you factor in the extreme high risk for complete, embarrassing incompetence - think Inspector Clouseau as president - I had to go with Carson. At least Cruz and Huckabee have enough experience to have some idea how things work in government.
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I see Trump as the scariest because of what his election would say about our society. Our reputation internationally has suffered enough and electing The Donald president would be catastrophic.
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Moreta wrote:I see Trump as the scariest because of what his election would say about our society. Our reputation internationally has suffered enough and electing The Donald president would be catastrophic.
I agree with this. The fact that Trump has gained as many supporters as he already has while running a racist, xenophobic and borderline fascist campaign does not speak well of our country. I think other, more "mainstream" candidates like Cruz and Rubio would also make terrible presidents, but I don't they would bring nearly the level of disgrace to the U.S. name internationally as Trump would.

I also don't buy the notion that Hilary belongs anywhere near the top of the list. I'm hardly a fan, as I wish the Democratic party as a whole were more liberal and the Clinton MO has seemingly always been to run a bit to the right of the center of the Democratic party. But that's a lot better than a true far right candidate, which is what the GOP nominee will likely be.

I find the Sanders campaign somewhat fascinating. In a normal election cycle, he would have little chance in the primary and even less of a chance in the general election. But it's so obvious that a large swath of registered Democrats (myself included) want competition for Hillary and somehow no one else emerged as a credible alternative. (There have to be a number of Democrats such as Deval Patrick, Tim Kaine, Joe Biden and even Al Gore who are playing the "what if" game now.) And if the GOP nominee is Trump or Cruz, I think Bernie wins the general election in a walk.
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Cruz. And there's not a close second.
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Though I will say as an upper middle class white dude I can't really get fucked too bad for any candidate pretty much but if Cruz wins the GOP nomination I'll spend my own money and months of my life doing whatever for Sanders or Clinton to see him beaten. If it's Rubio? Eh, I'll vote for Clinton and keep to the sidelines. So maybe there's something to the idea that Cruz might get beaten in the general election.
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Apologies if this has already been linked to - but Ted Cruz spent his first year at Princeton rooming with Craig Mazin.

Who clearly won;t be voting for his old roomie.

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I mean if we're counting people that have no shot, I have to go with Santorum.
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I choose Sanders. I like living in a competitive free market capitalist country. I don't want the U.S. to become a country where everyone gets a participation ribbon.
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Ummm, the US *is* a country where everyone gets a participation ribbon. Where you been?

Unless you're being sarcastic. I can't tell.

Normally I'd champion a person with this level of intelligence (from Wiki):
Cruz attended two private high schools: Faith West Academy in Katy, Texas and Second Baptist High School in Houston, from which he graduated as valedictorian in 1988. During high school, Cruz participated in a Houston-based group known at the time as the Free Market Education Foundation, a program that taught high school students the philosophies of economists such as Milton Friedman and Frédéric Bastiat.

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts in Public Policy from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992. While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship. In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year, and with his debate partner David Panton won Team of the Year. Cruz and Panton would later represent Harvard Law School at the 1995 World Debating Championship, losing in the semi-finals to a team from Australia. Princeton's debate team named their annual novice championship after Cruz.

Cruz's senior thesis at Princeton investigated the separation of powers; its title, Clipping the Wings of Angels, draws its inspiration from a passage attributed to US President James Madison: "If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." Cruz argued that the drafters of the Constitution intended to protect the rights of their constituents, and that the last two items in the Bill of Rights offer an explicit stop against an all-powerful state.

After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree. While at Harvard Law, he was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review. Referring to Cruz's time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant". At Harvard Law, Cruz was a John M. Olin Fellow in Law and Economics.

Cruz currently serves on the Board of Advisors of the Texas Review of Law and Politics.
That's just his education. He has been involved in lots of shit that's simply impressive. (Including youngest Solicitor General in Texas history.)

But the dude thinks angels are real. And his Tea Party affiliation and unabashed Christianity pisses me off. He says shit that, to rational people, makes you go "What the fuck??" And his face looks like someone is wearing a mask of his face. He just appears scummy. You want him as your lawyer, but not as your neighbor.

He is appealing to the lowest common denominator because that's the largest group of voters he can swing his way. Either it's the most calculated and deceptive way to put him into power (in which case, that's some cold politicking -- hats off for that) or he's literally in the zone of people that make you "How can this smart mother fucker be so goddamn stupid??"

I figure it's the latter. And why I find him so fucking scary.
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And it's only getting worse. Before the participation ribbons used to be just food and shelter but now that it's been expanded to include health care? Proof we're somehow getting even softer. If primary education gets even remotely close to leveled out you'll know we're circling the drain.
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I think that if Sanders truly scares you with his ideas, he's still less scary than some of the others because he's not going to just walk up there and dictator them in. I just don't think that Sanders will be able to implement his kinda-socialist utopia.

It's Cruz's ferocity and need to win personal battles that makes me select him. I don't believe a word he or Trump say, but Trump is just trying to win an Emmy while Cruz strikes me as a guy who will take everything down with him.
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Johnnie wrote:Ummm, the US *is* a country where everyone gets a participation ribbon. Where you been?

Unless you're being sarcastic. I can't tell.

Normally I'd champion a person with this level of intelligence (from Wiki):
Cruz attended two private high schools: Faith West Academy in Katy, Texas and Second Baptist High School in Houston, from which he graduated as valedictorian in 1988. During high school, Cruz participated in a Houston-based group known at the time as the Free Market Education Foundation, a program that taught high school students the philosophies of economists such as Milton Friedman and Frédéric Bastiat.

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts in Public Policy from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992. While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship. In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year, and with his debate partner David Panton won Team of the Year. Cruz and Panton would later represent Harvard Law School at the 1995 World Debating Championship, losing in the semi-finals to a team from Australia. Princeton's debate team named their annual novice championship after Cruz.

Cruz's senior thesis at Princeton investigated the separation of powers; its title, Clipping the Wings of Angels, draws its inspiration from a passage attributed to US President James Madison: "If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." Cruz argued that the drafters of the Constitution intended to protect the rights of their constituents, and that the last two items in the Bill of Rights offer an explicit stop against an all-powerful state.

After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree. While at Harvard Law, he was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review. Referring to Cruz's time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant". At Harvard Law, Cruz was a John M. Olin Fellow in Law and Economics.

Cruz currently serves on the Board of Advisors of the Texas Review of Law and Politics.
That's just his education. He has been involved in lots of shit that's simply impressive. (Including youngest Solicitor General in Texas history.)

But the dude thinks angels are real. And his Tea Party affiliation and unabashed Christianity pisses me off. He says shit that, to rational people, makes you go "What the fuck??" And his face looks like someone is wearing a mask of his face. He just appears scummy. You want him as your lawyer, but not as your neighbor.

He is appealing to the lowest common denominator because that's the largest group of voters he can swing his way. Either it's the most calculated and deceptive way to put him into power (in which case, that's some cold politicking -- hats off for that) or he's literally in the zone of people that make you "How can this smart mother fucker be so goddamn stupid??"

I figure it's the latter. And why I find him so fucking scary.


It's the fact that Cruz is an off-the-charts genius that makes him #1.

But I mean, a majority of the country (including SportsDoc, I'm sure) IS unabashedly Christian. That's barely even pandering. It's the "oh I like country music now because they love America" that is the pandering. Though nothing is worse than Fiorina cheering for Iowa over her alma mater. What a dunce.
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Hillary will just be another cog in the machine. I think Rubio will be Republican Obama. I don't fear either of those two at all.

I'd really have to review Sanders' positions if he were the nominee but I think he's too honest and real to be scary. He could be fooling me, sure, but that's my read. I've seen some Republicans make comments about Sanders over Trump that are similar to the Alexander Hamilton's old Jefferson over Burr rationale.

EDIT: Jeb and Rand Paul don't scare me either. Jeb fits in the machine quite nicely and I like Rand and think that while he panders more than I would like, he seems like a mostly honest, real person as well. Jimmy Carter's main problem was that he didn't really understand how politics worked and had a general disdain for them. Even if these guys are bumbling fools, they likely know how to play the game.

In fact, Rand is my first choice for prez, even over the Democrat candidates. I'm no Republican by any stretch but I'm jussssst libertarian enough to put him at #1.
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Holy shit, I had no idea Ted Cruz went to Faith West. I grew up with the kid of the guy who started the church. I don't remember them being that crazy, but it just kinda blends in here. The only thing I remember about the church was there was a dead end street behind it where we would go drink. One night, the son and his friends shot a pellet gun or some shit in our general direction. One of the guys I was drinking with (now a huge Ted Cruz supporter), wanted to go home, steal his mom's HPD gun and go back for some more trouble. That was fun.
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mister d wrote:And it's only getting worse. Before the participation ribbons used to be just food and shelter but now that it's been expanded to include health care? Proof we're somehow getting even softer. If primary education gets even remotely close to leveled out you'll know we're circling the drain.
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HPD = Huge Proxy Dick?
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Kinda. Houston Police Department.
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Too many posts to respond to. I keep changing my mind on this one, it's making my head spin. I went Cruz, because his policies are batshit crazy. I want so badly to know what he actually thinks and believes. I think he is a sociopath, maybe even psychopath, that will say and do whatever he thinks gets him the best chance to win. His phony sincerity in his over-rehearsed debate answers, playing the "common man" and nice guy irritate me. It's interesting seeing Right wing Christian Fundamentalists attacking Cruz for faking his religious beliefs, since that is the persona he created for himself. He is clearly brilliant based on his resume, which makes me think there is no way he believes the horrible mischaracterizations of the Constitution that he spouts. He lies constantly, making bold assertions and attacks with no factual basis or support. I heard him the other day with Chris Wallace discussing how Obamacare destroyed the economy and robbed millions of access to healthcare. Wallace lost it, to the point of defending Obamacare and telling Cruz his assertions are flat out wrong. Wallace threw out numbers, citing legit fact checkers. Crus only responded by saying all fact checkers are Liberals, so the numbers are lies. Wallace cited Conservative groups disproving Cruz, and he pulled the "I'm not here to talk about that."

I didn't say Trump, because I still think he has no shot and doesn't believe a word of what he is saying. Another guy who will say anything to get attention, and when his crazy shit got him attention and support, he kept pushing it further. I think he gets caught up in the emotion and momentum, and spouts shit off without a thought or filter. If he ever became President, he would likely continue to spout crazy shit and ruin relationships with his personality, but he couldn't make policies without thinking. Moretta made a great point that Trump is scary because it shows how fucked up so many Americans are.

I didn't consider Huckabee or Santorum, but they are terrifying because their extreme Christianity has no place in government. Every thought and opinion they have is heavily skewed by their religious beliefs. and they will never see the danger in that. Like Bush's policies were always right, "because God is on our side," and torture is good because the US does no wrong, and since the US is torturing, it must be good. Dangerous and terrifying.

I didn't consider Carson or Fiorino, because they will disappear soon. Both are clueless. Carson has no fucking clue, but believes he is intelligent and thoughtful. He tells some really bizarre lies and would be an enormous embarrassment on the world stage.

I don't trust Hillary, and I think she is closer to Reagan than any of the Republican candidates. She is a corporate and Wall Street shill, but at least she will keep God out of her decisions and not drive off a cliff to the far Right.
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After last nights results, I had to put Rubio. Why? Because his ideas are every bit as God-Bothering/Bible-Thumping/BatShit crazy as Ted Cruz, he just puts a youngish, more-appealing veneer on it. He seems the most likely to get the "guy you want to have a beer with" George W Bush tongue bath from the media.
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SportsDoc wrote:I choose Sanders. I like living in a competitive free market capitalist country. I don't want the U.S. to become a country where everyone gets a participation ribbon.
The majority of disagreement with Sanders and Progressives is based on false premises. Sanders doesn't want to eliminate competition or capitalism, and we were never close to a true free market society. If we were, Flint's current water supply would be clean relative to conditions in a true free market. True free market is a disaster, because it's not possible to have a fraction of the information needed to make decisions on what to buy. A minor example, let's say a clean environment is my number one issue. When I go to the store, I only want to buy from the most environmentally responsible companies. What brand paper towels should I buy based on the parent company's overall environmental practices across the hundreds of brands they own? Remove the EPA and all government regulations, and you severely limit the information available on companies dumping chemicals into the water. Saying businesses would police themselves is a fantasy. Look what happens in every industry when an insider is placed at the head of the regulatory agency. Wall Street destroys the economy while making Billions, manufacturers dump toxic chemicals, coal mines remove safety measures... Corporations will almost always do whatever serves the short term bottom line, without regard for external consequences. Again, remove oversite, and consumers have absolutely no knowledge of information other than price, which encourages horrendous external consequences to drive down cost.

The US has always had a lot of Socialism in practice. everything from public police, libraries, parks, schools... Because of the Cold War, a stigma has been placed on the term Socialism, and people have a visceral reaction. I often hear that Progressives want everyone to have the same outcomes, despite their efforts, ingenuity or whatever. This is completely false, we want people to have an opportunity to succeed. Conservatives preach that success comes from hard work and is earned, but the overwhelming majority of the most successful people in our society started the race a few feet from the finish line, while others started miles away from the starting line. Did the guy starting at the finish line earn it? No, he was handed success.

People often accuse Progressives of wanting to redistribute wealth, but that already happened 30+ years ago. A blue collar worker could live comfortably back then, but now struggle to get by and few people have enough savings to survive in retirement. The gap between the wealthiest 1000 people and the rest of society is widening at astronomical rates, and it isn't because they earned it and we resent their success. They rewrite the rules to benefit themselves. They get tremendous tax breaks and pay a fraction of what I do. Closing that gap isn't stealing from the rich, but slowing down their theft from the other 99.999% of Americans. Sam Walton's six heirs are worth $149 Billion, and Walmart received $3 Billion is tax subsidies, while their employees received $6.2 Billion in Federal assistance. (2013 numbers, didn't find more recent). Remove regulations, and do you think Walmart will suddenly pay their employees better and provide benefits? Fuck no, they will squeeze out every penny to increase profits.

I often hear lowering taxes on businesses will lead to increased hiring and wages for employees. Sam Brownback's Kansas has proven otherwise. Lower taxes, and most business owners pocket the money. Under Eisenhower, the top tax bracket paid 90% taxes. Wealthy business owners poured money into their businesses to avoid the taxes, and the economy boomed.

Progressives and Socialists aren't about "getting free stuff," but providing a higher quality of life floor. It's insane that the US is the only advanced country with such a high number of people without healthcare, the only country with large numbers of medical care related bankruptcies, and along with Swaziland, Lesotho and Papua New Guinea, the only countries in the world that don't mandate paid maternity leave. The other 192 countries can manage, but US business owners can't? Seriously? Asking for the benefits provided in every single developed nation other than the US isn't asking for free handouts, but slowing the decline of the quality of life for the overwhelming majority of Americans.

I'm happy to pay higher taxes for single payer health care. The overall cost of health care will go down. We pay double for healthcare compared to the rest of the developed world. Enormous profits for insurance companies, and footing the bill for those who can't afford the care they receive are major factors. People without health care don't get preventive care, so they wait until health problems are severe, and then can't afford expensive treatment that could have been resolved much less expensively early on. Or people with strep throat or sinus infections avoiding treatment and winding up in the emergency room because they didn't want to pay for a PCP early on.
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Huge "Yup!" to that entire post.
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I kinda wanna post that on Facebook.
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I fucking hate the "everybody gets a ribbon/trophy bullshit." Yes, kids playing a sport at a very young age get participation acknowledgement.

But fairly early on, we start keeping score and that shit gets chucked out the window. I love that we have parents getting into fist-fights all over the country over their 10 year olds baseball game (well-documented, covered routinely) and yet people think we're too soft on our youth.

Same crowd that's always bitching about political correctness, when 99 percent of the time what they are really saying is they don't like being told to stop being a misogynistic, racist, xenophobic asshole.
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Nonlinear FC wrote:I fucking hate the "everybody gets a ribbon/trophy bullshit." Yes, kids playing a sport at a very young age get participation acknowledgement.

But fairly early on, we start keeping score and that shit gets chucked out the window. I love that we have parents getting into fist-fights all over the country over their 10 year olds baseball game (well-documented, covered routinely) and yet people think we're too soft on our youth.

Same crowd that's always bitching about political correctness, when 99 percent of the time what they are really saying is they don't like being told to stop being a misogynistic, racist, xenophobic asshole.
I also think it's funny that many of the same people griping today about "millenials" are the same ones who were griped about in the Vietnam era.
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ALSO, also ... I bet there's tremendous overlap between those who whine about kids getting participation trophies and those who expect promotions at work based on little more than tenure.
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mister d wrote:ALSO, also ... I bet there's tremendous overlap between those who whine about kids getting participation trophies and those who expect promotions at work based on little more than tenure.
I also bet you'd have an awfully hard time finding anyone who complains about "PC Culture" who was upset by the fact that a number of journalists lost their jobs for criticizing George W. Bush in the runup to the Iraq War. Complaints about "participation trophies" and "PC Culture" typically are nothing more than attempts to advocate for conservative views and dismiss any countervailing voices.
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Brontoburglar wrote:I also think it's funny that many of the same people griping today about "millenials" are the same ones who were griped about in the Vietnam era.
And, thirty years from now, some of the millennials will be griping about the youngsters of that era. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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mister d wrote:Huge "Yup!" to that entire post.
100% agree.

But then again, it probably isn;t my place to comment...

But ultimately it comes down to the type of society you want to live in.

Sure, ability and determination is rewarded, but what are you going to do when the growing underclass gets angrier? The sad fact is that there will always be humans who will not succeed. You can either take care of them for the benefit of all of society or take your chances and leave them to their own devices and hope that they don't interfere too much with your life.
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Pruitt wrote: But ultimately it comes down to the type of society you want to live in.

Sure, ability and determination is rewarded, but what are you going to do when the growing underclass gets angrier? The sad fact is that there will always be humans who will not succeed. You can either take care of them for the benefit of all of society or take your chances and leave them to their own devices and hope that they don't interfere too much with your life.
Exactly, and I'd rather spend the money providing people with education, opportunities, mental health care and safety nets rather than prisons.
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The Sybian wrote:
Pruitt wrote: But ultimately it comes down to the type of society you want to live in.

Sure, ability and determination is rewarded, but what are you going to do when the growing underclass gets angrier? The sad fact is that there will always be humans who will not succeed. You can either take care of them for the benefit of all of society or take your chances and leave them to their own devices and hope that they don't interfere too much with your life.
Exactly, and I'd rather spend the money providing people with education, opportunities, mental health care and safety nets rather than prisons.
Must not own shares in a for-profit prison company.
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Apparently Jimmy Carter agrees with those in the Cruz camp here.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jimmy-carte ... -ted-cruz/
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