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Rex wrote:UNI wins if the guy chucks the inbound pass deep 4 times, regardless of who comes up with it.
Hell, they might have won if they'd just taken a couple of 5-second calls instead of futilely trying to throw it off of A&M players. Just a crushing loss. I can't even imagine.
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So Greg Gard gets the full time gig right?
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A_B wrote:I think he already had it.
Yeah, hired earlier this month
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So the ACC finished the first two rounds at 12-1. Six teams in the Sweet Sixteen. I would never say that looking at just the NCAA Tournament should be the sole basis for comparing conferences, but no matter how you look at it, that's pretty damn incredible. And think that Louisville, probably the third best ACC team, didn't even go (although if they had, Syracuse might not have gotten in.).

There's still a lot of basketball left, and obviously the ACC is going to start losing, but this has already been a record year (the previous Sweet Sixteen record was 5 teams, the Big East back in the 2000s and the ACC last year).
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Did this elsewhere, but this is how the conferences are stacking up in terms of expected wins based on seeding and actual performance. ACC with 6 teams left will fly past their projections ...

Conf (Teams / Remaining): xWins (Record)
ACC (7 / 6): 12.5 (12-1)
Big 12 (7 / 3): 12.1 (6-4)
Pac 12 (7 / 1): 10.1 (3-6)
Big 10 (7 / 3): 8.5 (8-4)
Big East (5 / 1): 7.1 (5-4)
SEC (3 / 1): 4.4 (3-2)
American Athletic (4 / 0): 2.8 (1-4)
Atlantic 10 (3 / 0): 2.2 (2-3)
Missouri Valley (2 / 0): 1.6 (3-2)
Summit (1 / 0): 0.5 (0-1)
Southern (1 / 0): 0.5 (0-1)
Sun Belt (1 / 0): 0.5 (1-1)
West Coast (1 / 1): 0.5 (2-0)
Ivy League (1 / 0): 0.5 (1-1)
Northeast (1 / 0): 0.5 (0-1)
SWAC (1 / 0): 0.5 (0-1)
Patriot (1 / 0): 0.5 (1-1)
Atlantic Sun (1 / 0): 0.5 (1-1)
Colonial Athletic (1 / 0): 0.3 (0-1)
Big West (1 / 0): 0.3 (1-1)
America East (1 / 0): 0.3 (0-1)
MAAC (1 / 0): 0.3 (0-1)
Mountain West (1 / 0): 0.2 (0-1)
Southland (1 / 0): 0.2 (1-1)
Horizon (1 / 0): 0.2 (0-1)
MAC (1 / 0): 0.2 (0-1)
WAC (1 / 0): 0.1 (0-1)
Big South (1 / 0): 0.1 (0-1)
Big Sky (1 / 0): 0.1 (0-1)
CUSA (1 / 0): 0.1 (1-1)
Ohio Valley (1 / 0): 0 (0-1)
MEAC (1 / 0): 0 (0-1)
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Pat Forde notes the ACC wins but says:
But know this: the ACC has been both lucky and good.

The league benefited from a lot of bracket breakdowns. The highest-seeded team the ACC has defeated so far: No. 7 Dayton. Syracuse was gifted with a round-of-32 matchup with No. 15 MTSU; Notre Dame got No. 14 SFA; Duke drew No. 12 Yale; North Carolina faced No. 9 Providence and Virginia took on No. 9 Butler.
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Back on Friday, Pat Forde wrote this:
Here’s what might also have played a part in Middle Tennessee’s calm reaction to shocking the world: the Blue Raiders knew they were no 15 seed. That was a joke, and part of a major choke.

By Michigan State, yes. But also by the NCAA tournament selection committee.

All hail MTSU, which put Murfreesboro, Tenn., on the map Friday. Its 90-81 upset of the Spartans is one of eight all-time victories for a No. 15 seed over a No. 2 seed – but Middle Tennessee never should have been a 15.

-- SNIP --

Beating Michigan State – which a lot of people thought should have been a No. 1 seed, and a lot of people picked to win it all, and with a head coach who has become an NCAA tournament legend – is something else entirely.

Michigan State fans gleefully call March the Month of Izzo. That’s because Tom Izzo has taken the Spartans to seven Final Fours – several times dragging flawed teams to the final weekend of the season by sheer force of will and coaching skill.

-- SNIP --

Could Middle Tennessee be the next uber-Cinderella to start a run by beating the Spartans? Remains to be seen. But second-round opponent Syracuse had better take the Blue Raiders seriously.

Middle Tennessee shredded Michigan State’s trademark defense, shooting 56 percent overall and 58 percent from 3-point range. Time after time, the Spartans would make a shot to climb closer, run back on defense and slap the floor in bring-it-on intensity. And time after time, the Blue Raiders would make a mockery of that show by scoring a key basket in response.
So which is it Pat (Forde)? Is Middle Tennessee State the under-seeded team who thumped possibly the best team and best coach in the tournament? Or a fucking gift to a ten-seed that gift wraps them a Sweet Sixteen berth?
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sancarlos wrote:Pat Forde notes the ACC wins but says:
But know this: the ACC has been both lucky and good.

The league benefited from a lot of bracket breakdowns. The highest-seeded team the ACC has defeated so far: No. 7 Dayton. Syracuse was gifted with a round-of-32 matchup with No. 15 MTSU; Notre Dame got No. 14 SFA; Duke drew No. 12 Yale; North Carolina faced No. 9 Providence and Virginia took on No. 9 Butler.
Yeah, this idea is just laughable. The tournament has had the same seeding patterns every year for about 30 years now. The idea that the ACC's 7 teams somehow received a statistically significantly easier path is simply ridiculous. I would accept this argument only if everyone agreed that the committee always gets the seeds exactly right - not for how much a team deserved the seed (which is how they do it), but by how good the team actually is.

Would getting 6 teams in the Sweet Sixteen have been even more surprising if the ACC had been made up of a bunch of 8-12 seeds? Sure, but doesn't that point more to a mediocre conference getting lucky/hot at one time? Even if the seeds were somehow perfect and upsets were rare, the ACC should have only had 4 teams in (same as the Big 12).

And Pat Forde is an idiot.
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Johnny Carwash wrote:Stephen F. Austin's team is called the Lumberjacks? Are there any actual fucking trees in Texas?

Also it's not in Austin?
There's probably not a natural area that Texas doesn't have. I'm kinda curious to hear what you picture it to look like.

Nacogdoches is in the Piney Woods. It's the oldest town in Texas, so it makes sense that the namesake university of the "Father of Texas" is there.

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Shirley wrote:
sancarlos wrote:Pat Forde notes the ACC wins but says:
But know this: the ACC has been both lucky and good.

The league benefited from a lot of bracket breakdowns. The highest-seeded team the ACC has defeated so far: No. 7 Dayton. Syracuse was gifted with a round-of-32 matchup with No. 15 MTSU; Notre Dame got No. 14 SFA; Duke drew No. 12 Yale; North Carolina faced No. 9 Providence and Virginia took on No. 9 Butler.
Yeah, this idea is just laughable. The tournament has had the same seeding patterns every year for about 30 years now. The idea that the ACC's 7 teams somehow received a statistically significantly easier path is simply ridiculous. I would accept this argument only if everyone agreed that the committee always gets the seeds exactly right - not for how much a team deserved the seed (which is how they do it), but by how good the team actually is.

Would getting 6 teams in the Sweet Sixteen have been even more surprising if the ACC had been made up of a bunch of 8-12 seeds? Sure, but doesn't that point more to a mediocre conference getting lucky/hot at one time? Even if the seeds were somehow perfect and upsets were rare, the ACC should have only had 4 teams in (same as the Big 12).

And Pat Forde is an idiot.
Forde is such a hack. He's not the only college basketball writer that favors certain teams but he allows his Louisville fandom to influence his writing a lot. It's pretty funny that he was buying rounds of drinks for other writers to celebrate Kentucky tournament losses -- and boasting that he would "bring down" Calipari -- at the same time that his favorite team was literally buying prostitutes for recruits.
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Totally Kafkaesque
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Shirley wrote:An apology from Syracuse


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Shirley wrote:An apology from Syracuse


(it's awesome)
By far the most entertaining Syracuse-centric blog post that has ever been posted in the Swamp. By far!
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Must be allergy season.
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Shirley wrote:An apology from Syracuse


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By far the most entertaining Syracuse-centric blog post that has ever been posted in the Swamp. By far!
+1.
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Clearly Allen had Duke +12
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Not even just Duke fans, but its tough to think of a more perfect example of "the people who will take Cruz Jr. / Coach K's side would take the exact opposite side if the actors were reversed" scenario.
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Virginia can't miss.
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Do Wisconsin fans even enjoy watching Wisconsin basketball?

I remember the last couple of years of tubby ball at uk. It was hard to watch. Hardcore defense but at least some offense. This is the same withou offense. It's clearly effective but dang. They make Virginia look like the golden state warriors.
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Wisconsin channels their inner Stephen F. Austin...
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Who says Mike brey can't coach defense!
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Hard to say which of these was worst tonight:
A) Wisconsin in last minute of game
B) Gonzaga in last minute of game
C) USMNT
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A_B wrote:Who says Mike brey can't coach defense!
Me, but I could coach defense when a opposing player just gives the ball up.

Shirley, congrats on UVa making the Final Four.
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UNC was unbelievable tonight. Every time I looked up they were drilling another three. And that was supposed to be their weak point. Good luck to anyone beating them.
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I think this Miss St/UConn game is going to need the mercy rule.

55-12 with 1:32 left in the first half...
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61-12 at the half.

UConn has outscored their opponents 167-48 in the first half of their three 2016 tournament games.
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Puppet halftime was the best halftime.
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I think I'm gonna be sick.
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your reaction is medically appropriate. That was bad, not taking anything away from the effort of the Orange.
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I don't understand what just happened. That team showed nothing all season to make me think they could hang that kind of run on probably the best defensive team in the country.
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Wow. I fee sick for Shirley.
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So William Rhoden of the New York Times has a column up in which he praises the ACC's basketball success. Fair enough: the ACC has had a good year, a great tournament, and (hopefully for the sake of my NCAA pool) may produce the champion in UNC. But the part of the column that really bugs me is that Rhoden takes multiple shots at Calipari and Kentucky as part of his article, which I've excerpted below:
What’s encouraging about the approach to building programs at several A.C.C. universities — especially Virginia — is an emphasis on recruiting players who will remain in the program for three to four seasons. I care less about the basketball than I do about ending the obscene practice of having players on campus for a total of five months.
Virginia is an older team, starting two seniors, a junior and two sophomores.
Syracuse was an even match, starting three seniors, a junior and a freshman.
After five years of major programs trying to match Calipari’s one-and-done circus, it’s reassuring to see a university, perhaps even a conference, adopt and dominate with another approach: Stay the course, enjoy slow and steady growth and, with luck, reap the rewards in March.
I don't have an issue with the praise of UVA and Bennett, but how do you write that column and not even mention that the two ACC teams that made it to the Final Four have had massive recent academic fraud scandals? Is Kentucky players leaving for college after their freshman year to go the NBA -- where nearly all of the one-and-dones have thrived -- really a bigger problem than UNC setting up an entire sham major for its athletes? And maybe Rhoden should have also pointed out that the most recent ACC team to win an NCAA title had three one-and-dones who carried the team all year.

To me, Rhoden's column gets at the fact that people who criticize Kentucky (or Duke for that matter) are really just college hoops fans who are bothered by the fact that players like Towns, Wall, Booker, Okafor, Winslow et al. don't choose to grace them with 3-4 years of entertainment (i.e., unpaid labor). Because there's no way that anyone will convince me that those guys going pro is a bigger issue for the NCAA or the university system than programs setting up endemic systems of academic fraud to keep their 3-4 year players eligible.
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Can't really argue with any of that. I guess the only counter argument, at least on the Carolina side (since I'm not as familiar with Syracuse's issues), is that none of the current kids were affected.

I'll also say that a lot of other schools would probably like to be able to do what Kentucky and Duke are doing, but they simply can't. That plan only works if you can be very confident that you can replace those kids year after year. There just isn't a long list of programs who could conceivable do that.

BTW, for as painful as that UVA collapse was last night, I'm getting over it. I think I'm just so generally happy with what Tony Bennett has done with the program, that I just can't be too down over one tough loss. Yes, UVA should have won that game and I think they beat Syracuse 4 out of 5 times (and 19 out of 20 if you spot them a 15 point lead with 10 minutes left), but I can deal with it. I know that that UVA will be good again next year even without Brogdon, Gill, and Tobey. It's a great feeling.
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