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Governors meeting will take place on June 8th and the vote should pass.

Las Vegas team will be announced on June 22 in Las Vegas. Team will be begin play in 17-18

They will have as much chance as the 28th team to get the first pick at the 2017 draft. Meaning that the lowest they can get is 6th overall.

Any players in to their 2 first years of entry level contract will not be exposed to the expansion draft.

Players that didn't play at least 40 games or a cumulative of 70 games in the NHL are not available for the expansion draft.
Las Vegas will have to draft at least one player from each team.

Players with no-trade clause will be available to be drafted.

Players with a non-movement clause will NOT be available to be drafted.

Team will have the choice to protect either 8 skaters and 1 goalie, or 7 forwards, 3 defensemen and 1 goalie"
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Quebec City coming out of this round of expansion without a team would be a huge bummer.
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I'm super duper excited for this.



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There's also going to be some interesting roster maneuvering with some kids in their 3rd contract year who are ready for the NHL but the team will hold down for a month. Pretty much identical to Super Twos in MLB but with a set date.
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Well, I'm excited too. (And I guess Rams Fanny and I will have to start saving up to pay the balance of the season tickets we bought).
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Is there a list of players by team who, for the moment, would be swipe-able?
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Bye Bye Bishop.
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Johnny Carwash wrote:Quebec City coming out of this round of expansion without a team would be a huge bummer.
a $370 million Bummer
Without a National Hockey League team to keep fans in the seats, however, the arena, which resembles the bottom half of a giant igloo, will be an albatross for the municipal and provincial taxpayers who’ve footed nearly all of the $370-million construction bill.
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Johnny Carwash wrote:Quebec City coming out of this round of expansion without a team would be a huge bummer.
a $370 million Bummer

18,000 seat arena is finished.
Without a National Hockey League team to keep fans in the seats, however, the arena, which resembles the bottom half of a giant igloo, will be an albatross for the municipal and provincial taxpayers who’ve footed nearly all of the $370-million construction bill.
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and as my title suggests I think this team should actually be called NHL Las Vegas.
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Any word on the mascot/logo?

I'm guessing a slot machine with a hockey stick as the handle.
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They're supposedly going to have a non-binding online poll for the name from a few choices. Still, rumors are most likely it's going to be Black Knights since the owner went to West Point and has an affinity for that nickname (and as far as nicknames go, it could be worse).

Given that if so, expect black to feature prominently in the uni colors.
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I can only assume there are ownership issues in Quebec City. Otherwise that seems like such a slam dunk location for an expansion franchise. Sad for those people. Excited for Las Vegas, if only for the fact that western teams all have to travel so far so often it's good to have another team west of the Rockies. I wish Seattle was also in the mix, but I get the impression the populace there would rather hold out for a new NBA team.
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sancarlos wrote:I can only assume there are ownership issues in Quebec City. Otherwise that seems like such a slam dunk location for an expansion franchise. Sad for those people. Excited for Las Vegas, if only for the fact that western teams all have to travel so far so often it's good to have another team west of the Rockies. I wish Seattle was also in the mix, but I get the impression the populace there would rather hold out for a new NBA team.
The Canadian dollar is a huge issue, I think. I also think the Canadian dollar has a lot to do with the salary cap not going up.
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I think it's being kept a secret but Carolina will be moving to Quebec City. Carolina and Quebecor become partners in the hockey club, and the team moved to Quebec City. It's a win-win all around. Quebec gets a team, the current owners get an opportunity to make some profit before selling out to Quebecor down the road, and the NHL maintains its conference balance. Las Vegas then can't complain about the expansion fee as it would be a member club making a decision, and then seeking approval from the BoG. This will also help all parties meet their goals, and league goals, as quickly as possible. The NHL wants to be the first major league to have a team in Las Vegas. If they really want that, they have to grant Vegas a team this year and get them operational for 2017-18, otherwise the NFL may just beat them to the punch.
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I can see Carolina to QC. Karmanos' sons are suing him. Seems like a mess there. I still can't figure out how the Panthers aren't likely to leave Florida. They don't draw for shit.
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govmentchedda wrote:Bye Bye Bishop.
There are like a half dozen reasons I don't see it happening.
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mister d wrote:
govmentchedda wrote:Bye Bye Bishop.
There are like a half dozen reasons I don't see it happening.
Stamkos being gone still doesn't free enough room, considering Vasy is there and much cheaper for 5 more years or so.
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Oh, he'll be the one exposed, I just can't imagine him being taken unless it's a well compensated pass-through. He's old, he's expensive, it's bad cap management in a bubble to spend big on a G, the rules are so punitive that good cheap Gs will be there elsewhere and Tampa has too much talent for him to be the pick.
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His contract is up after next year, so unless they extend him (not likely), he may be gone anyway.
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Oh, so this whole exercise is pointless. Thanks a ton, man.
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degenerasian wrote:I think it's being kept a secret but Carolina will be moving to Quebec City. Carolina and Quebecor become partners in the hockey club, and the team moved to Quebec City. It's a win-win all around. Quebec gets a team, the current owners get an opportunity to make some profit before selling out to Quebecor down the road, and the NHL maintains its conference balance. Las Vegas then can't complain about the expansion fee as it would be a member club making a decision, and then seeking approval from the BoG. This will also help all parties meet their goals, and league goals, as quickly as possible. The NHL wants to be the first major league to have a team in Las Vegas. If they really want that, they have to grant Vegas a team this year and get them operational for 2017-18, otherwise the NFL may just beat them to the punch.
I hope so, Quebec deserves a team. And they had better be put in the Canadiens' division. AND they'd better be called "Les Nordiques."

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I had said that is a possibility months ago even before Karmanos' kids sued him. It makes the most sense and returns the conferences to 15-15. (They might have to ditch the stupid playoff qualifying scheme they have now but I don't think ppl are too attached to it.)

I think the issue then as now is that their lease in Raleigh is pretty ironclad. Not sure how they can get out of it without more lawsuits. But I'm sure Foley (the LV owner) would be happy to pay $400M-ish for the Hurricanes and a $50M re-location fee and save himself a bunch of money.
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I hope so, Quebec deserves a team. And they had better be put in the Canadiens' division. AND they'd better be called "Les Nordiques."

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brian wrote:But I'm sure Foley (the LV owner) would be happy to pay $400M-ish for the Hurricanes and a $50M re-location fee and save himself a bunch of money.
The rest of the gap between that and the $500MM expansion fee is wasted on Jordan Staal.
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Ironically(?) they might also be better with the expansion draft. At least as proposed and they don't hire a complete stiff as GM.
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brian wrote:Ironically(?) they might also be better with the expansion draft. At least as proposed and they don't hire a complete stiff as GM.
Maybe. But, Carolina does have some good young talent to work with.
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Sure, no argument. The question is if the NHL ready talent with less in the pipeline trumps little or almost nothing NHL ready with more in the pipeline.
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Sarcasm aside, I'd have to think Faulk and Hanifin alone are worth more than then entire expansion haul. I think Ward is up soon and Staal is the only other bad deal.
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mister d wrote:Sarcasm aside, I'd have to think Faulk and Hanifin alone are worth more than then entire expansion haul. I think Ward is up soon and Staal is the only other bad deal.
Plus they'll only need to pay part of Staal's salary after they trade him to the Rangers.
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I think we're de-Staaling, not re-Staaling.
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That one works a lot better, huh?
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mister d wrote:I'm super duper excited for this.



(NYR fans are already trying to figure out what the exact date of the NMC trigger will be, the end of the NHL calendar year (July 1st) or end of the season it pertains to. Girardi has an NMC through 2016-17. This is a huge deal.)
Daly says no need to protect expiring contracts with NMC.
Second, Slap Shots has learned that rules for the 2017 expansion draft that will precede Las Vegas’ anticipated 2017-18 admission to the league as its 31st franchise (“Done deal,” we’re told), will compel teams to protect players with no-move clauses even if they or the contracts themselves expire at the end of 2016-17.

This means if the expansion draft is held, say, on June 21, 2017, teams will be obligated to protect players who, a) would become unrestricted free agents 10 days later; or, b) would be able to be waived or traded 10 days later.

This is, of course, completely illogical … except when applied against Sixth Avenue’s overriding philosophy of punishing teams for following certain regulations within the CBA that for some reasons offend the league. Then it makes perfect sense.
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Hanging my hopes on that one. I have no delusion that Girardi would be taken, but it would still be a tough one to deal with. Assuming 3 D can be protected, McDonagh and Skjei are automatic and either whoever we bring in this year to replace Yandle or a kid like McIlrath (doubtful) or Graves (eh?) would be the 3rd.
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Honest question here, while laying my general lack of knowledge about these league/PA interactions but here goes:

If the NHL/Owners and the NHLPA can't come to an agreement on terms of how they're going to do an expansion draft without fucking it up horrendously, what's the chances that one side exercises the nuclear option and we see another shortened or canceled season over the disagreement?

Or am I off base here and the NHL/Owners and the NHLPA are on the same page and the rules/idea of an expansion draft/reshuffle of teams (or in my case, expansion in general, to a league that already has a depleted talent pool), and it's the fans that are more concerned about these issues?
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It won't be enough of a deal. Girardi (presumably) would want to stay in NY. The Rangers wouldn't want to waste a slot on Girardi, but that isn't the same as thinking he'd go. There's no actual risk of Girardi to LV, just of someone else to LV. So the easiest solution is he doesn't have to be protected with the knowledge, either logical or via tacit agreement, that he wouldn't be taken. Everyone except for LV, who is losing a better D to target, if that's even who they'd want off NYR's roster, is happy. But fuck LV.
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BSF21 wrote:Honest question here, while laying my general lack of knowledge about these league/PA interactions but here goes:

If the NHL/Owners and the NHLPA can't come to an agreement on terms of how they're going to do an expansion draft without fucking it up horrendously, what's the chances that one side exercises the nuclear option and we see another shortened or canceled season over the disagreement?

Or am I off base here and the NHL/Owners and the NHLPA are on the same page and the rules/idea of an expansion draft/reshuffle of teams (or in my case, expansion in general, to a league that already has a depleted talent pool), and it's the fans that are more concerned about these issues?
Can't see the PA blowing up over how the expansion draft will work. This creates 23 new high paying jobs for PA members. That means a number of veterans can play a few more years (and maybe some new minor league jobs).

My questions are more about the fan base. Will the Vegas team be targeted at locals or fun away trips for visiting teams? Will the casinos buy up tickets for combo packages. If I was a visiting team I would build a package/promotion for that road trip.
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Right? I've read people who say the team can't exist with a strong local core but you would think tourists could make up the bulk of the fanbase and, if they're non-fans, that could be huge for the league.
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