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Just moved my seats at the relocation event for the Bolts to 20 rows up, first level, center ice. Right in the middle of the section, so I have to wade past 8 people in either direction to get out, but shouldn't have anyone ever stand up in front of us. I'd rather be on the penalty box side, to view the benches, but other than that, I'm really looking forward to next season's location.
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sancarlos wrote:My tickets in San Jose are the first row of the upper deck, just inside the blue line. Great seats. Make sure you have good sight lines (check the aisles). And put yourself on the side your team attacks in the first and third periods. We checked on all that and I'm glad for it.
Should be easy to deduce this at T-Mobile since the two ends are not the same level. One is more of a loge level and the other is much higher (the true "upper" level) So I imagine they're going to shoot at the loge level twice (since the seats are much, much more expensive).
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brian wrote:The biggest question to be worked out that really almost no one is talking about is that Las Vegas doesn't have a regional sports network.

To bad the Mountain isn't around any more.
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brian wrote:The biggest question to be worked out that really almost no one is talking about is that Las Vegas doesn't have a regional sports network.

To bad the Mountain isn't around any more.
Isn't that a good thing for the owner. In the DC Market there has always been a local market that carried NHL and such (HTS, Comcast, MASN). The owners always wanted to own that network. As part of the new Caps deal, Leonsis gets a chunk of ownership in Comcast. He threatened to take his web network (Monumental Sports) forward as another channel (which would kill Comcast as they would have no real live sports).

The MASN deal was very important in letting the Nats come to DC for the Orioles. MASN is run by Angelos and he did not want to lose the DC Market. My understanding is the Nats are not very happy about the arrangement they had to make.
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Rush2112 wrote:
brian wrote:The biggest question to be worked out that really almost no one is talking about is that Las Vegas doesn't have a regional sports network.

To bad the Mountain isn't around any more.
Isn't that a good thing for the owner. In the DC Market there has always been a local market that carried NHL and such (HTS, Comcast, MASN). The owners always wanted to own that network. As part of the new Caps deal, Leonsis gets a chunk of ownership in Comcast. He threatened to take his web network (Monumental Sports) forward as another channel (which would kill Comcast as they would have no real live sports).

The MASN deal was very important in letting the Nats come to DC for the Orioles. MASN is run by Angelos and he did not want to lose the DC Market. My understanding is the Nats are not very happy about the arrangement they had to make.
Could be I suppose as long as it's a venture that makes money. Foley's a billionaire, but he's spending a lot of money right now without a dime coming in and start up costs for a network and having to get it carried on cable networks, satellite, etc. would be a big time and money suck, at least initially. Might not be a bad idea for some deep pocketed media company to step up and try to make a play either. They could probably get rights to the games on the relative cheap given there's no real competition. (In fact, I'll make a prediction that Greenspun Media here in Las Vegas might think about making a stab at it -- I know they've wanted to get into TV. They could show some high school football games, UNLV shows, maybe even see what rights are available for Mountain West olympic sports. That kind of thing.
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wlu_lax6 wrote:
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brian wrote:The biggest question to be worked out that really almost no one is talking about is that Las Vegas doesn't have a regional sports network.

To bad the Mountain isn't around any more.
Isn't that a good thing for the owner. In the DC Market there has always been a local market that carried NHL and such (HTS, Comcast, MASN). The owners always wanted to own that network. As part of the new Caps deal, Leonsis gets a chunk of ownership in Comcast. He threatened to take his web network (Monumental Sports) forward as another channel (which would kill Comcast as they would have no real live sports).

The MASN deal was very important in letting the Nats come to DC for the Orioles. MASN is run by Angelos and he did not want to lose the DC Market. My understanding is the Nats are not very happy about the arrangement they had to make.
Could be I suppose as long as it's a venture that makes money. Foley's a billionaire, but he's spending a lot of money right now without a dime coming in and start up costs for a network and having to get it carried on cable networks, satellite, etc. would be a big time and money suck, at least initially. Might not be a bad idea for some deep pocketed media company to step up and try to make a play either. They could probably get rights to the games on the relative cheap given there's no real competition. (In fact, I'll make a prediction that Greenspun Media here in Las Vegas might think about making a stab at it -- I know they've wanted to get into TV. They could show some high school football games, UNLV shows, maybe even see what rights are available for Mountain West olympic sports. That kind of thing.
and of course Magic Bullet, Sham Wow, etc. All they need is one anchor, a pre game, a post game, some lower level college hoops, horse racing, car auctions, and simulcast sports radio, and they will be fine. Shoot the station will probably have several shows with guys talking football lines.
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Hope that can get some good intermission arena entertainment. Those usually suck in the NHL.

And the arena should be called "The House"
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I wish Houston had a team.
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Giff wrote:I wish Houston had a team.
Come visit during hockey season. Sabo and Rush have gone to games with me out here.
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Giff wrote:I wish Houston had a team.
you have the other 4 sports i don't have!
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degenerasian wrote:
Giff wrote:I wish Houston had a team.
you have the other 4 sports i don't have!
I'll trade you the Dynamo for them.
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sancarlos wrote:
Giff wrote:I wish Houston had a team.
Come visit during hockey season. Sabo and Rush have gone to games with me out here.
We're hoping early 2017 so we can hit Tahoe in the snow with the girls.
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sancarlos wrote: Come visit during hockey season. Sabo and Rush have gone to games with me out here.
and you still feel dirty for drinking beers bought by CU, don't you?
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brian wrote:It's going to be either Black Knights or Knights.
Just read through Deadspin's list of suggested names.

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rass wrote:
brian wrote:It's going to be either Black Knights or Knights.
Just read through Deadspin's list of suggested names.

How would you feel about Chips?
Torn. Seems a little too clever. I'm not really a big fan of the trend to have bizarre nicknames. I mean it's fine for Single A baseball. But for a major league team would prefer something a little more "mundane". I really do like Knights. It's an effective homonym, could have a bad-ass logo and no other pro sports team uses it.
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George McPhee is the new Las Vegas GM, announcement tomorrow.
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Interesting. Not a bad hire for an expansion team I guess. There's pros and cons to going with an older guy. My only concerns are two-fold:

1) I know they want to win soon and since he's about 60 that jibes with that since he's not going to be around for a 10-year building job, but will he be able to balance moves to be competitive sooner while building for later as well.

2) Not sure about his background or experience with analytics. Was hoping for someone willing to go all-in on that, especially since it's never been done before with an expansion team.
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Blah. A dude like Chayka would have been so much more interesting, especially with like a full year to plan. I guess if GMGM's the experience and he has a dedicated, analytical (autonomous) draft person under him, that would work fine enough.
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brian wrote:Interesting. Not a bad hire for an expansion team I guess. There's pros and cons to going with an older guy. My only concerns are two-fold:

1) I know they want to win soon and since he's about 60 that jibes with that since he's not going to be around for a 10-year building job, but will he be able to balance moves to be competitive sooner while building for later as well.

2) Not sure about his background or experience with analytics. Was hoping for someone willing to go all-in on that, especially since it's never been done before with an expansion team.
The analysis I saw was they wanted someone with lots of connections in hockey to lure better than average scouts. The reality is they need to scout the whole league to prep for the expansion draft. He also has run a team's operations before so he can step aside in five years and leave it in good shape. I'm sure analytics will be a part of it but likely not the main driver of the operation.
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Some of the names I had seemed kicked around seemed way worse than McPhee. But I agree, hoping they have a full, dedicated analytics team in addition to traditional scouting. With a full year before the expansion draft seemed like an opportunity ripe to try and utilize analytics. (And they still well might I guess.)
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brian wrote:Interesting. Not a bad hire for an expansion team I guess. There's pros and cons to going with an older guy. My only concerns are two-fold:

1) I know they want to win soon and since he's about 60 that jibes with that since he's not going to be around for a 10-year building job, but will he be able to balance moves to be competitive sooner while building for later as well.

2) Not sure about his background or experience with analytics. Was hoping for someone willing to go all-in on that, especially since it's never been done before with an expansion team.
The analysis I saw was they wanted someone with lots of connections in hockey to lure better than average scouts. The reality is they need to scout the whole league to prep for the expansion draft. He also has run a team's operations before so he can step aside in five years and leave it in good shape. I'm sure analytics will be a part of it but likely not the main driver of the operation.
Yeah, I'm not complaining. It makes sense to me.
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From the comments of the Deadspin link was a Uniwatch article that has this video as the winning reader submission:

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Rams Fanny and I went to the open house yesterday to check out the arena. It's pretty awesome. A few quibbles with concession locations and the like, but on the whole should be pretty incredible for hockey. Not really a bad seat in the house.

In fact, here's the view from probably the worst seat:

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Here's about where we're guessing hoping our seats should be (center ice, about three to five rows back in the upper level):

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Upper level 2 rows back are where our seats are at our rink. I'll post a picture sometime. Granted the place only holds 6800 but you're just right on top of the ice. It's fantastic.
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The team name will be:

Las Vegas...

Nighthawks?

If true, not sure how I feel about it, but think I could warm up to it. At least it's a real bird native to Nevada.
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I'm surprised the league would allow a second -hawks.
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mister d wrote:I'm surprised the league would allow a second -hawks.
That seems to be the most likely sticking point. There's probably enough differentiation since Chicago's name doesn't refer to an actual animal/hawk though I'm hardly an expert on copyright law. (Or the NHL's whims when it comes to team nicknames.)
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According to info throughout this Deadspin post, the name can neither be the Black Knights because West Point doesn't like it, nor have an allusion to gambling because of NHL naming rules. So it's going to be bland and annoying by default.

Las Vegas Aces would have been outstanding.
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Johnnie wrote:According to info throughout this Deadspin post, the name can neither be the Black Knights because West Point doesn't like it, nor have an allusion to gambling because of NHL naming rules. So it's going to be bland and annoying by default.

Las Vegas Aces would have been outstanding.
The team itself didn't want any gambling references. And Aces never would have worked anyway because there's a Triple-A baseball team in Reno named that.
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Goalmakers or Puck Boys or something stupid like that would be great.
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The Quebec Aces were a prominent team in the Quebec junior league, so it is has history as a hockey nickname aside from gambling.
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I don't think Aces would get shot down (heh) for being gambling related as quick as some others suggested. I know it's obvious, but you could do a lot of different plays on Aces and it'll be a mistake to not embrace it and go that way.
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I don't think you guys are getting the biggest issue. They can't be seen as taking the same nickname as a minor-league team in a smaller city in the same state. It's not even a copyright thing, it's a Northern/Southern Nevada thing.
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BSF21 wrote:you could do a lot of different plays on Aces…
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Who knows? Maybe, you were kidnapped, tied up, taken away and held for ransom.

Those days are gone forever
Over a long time ago
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a nickname maybekinda giving a nod to gambling is no-go but honouring military machines is YES!


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brian wrote:It's going to be either Black Knights or Knights.
You still might be right. Just read a new article with some updates:
* The final name for the Las Vegas NHL franchise has been selected, and it’s not Night Hawks.
* confirmed the name Night Hawks will not be used, unless the preferred name falls short of the NHL’s vetting process.
* SportsLogos.net reported the final three names were Night Hawks, Red Hawks, or Desert Hawks. They redacted those as the final three the following morning.
* With Night Hawks as the backup option, it absolutely still is in play, but the plan is not to use that name.
* What we do know is the word Knight, or Night, is likely to be a part of the name that’s currently being finalized and vetted.
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Knight Hawks.
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Las Vegas Knights sounds alright. Las Vegas Black Knights doesn't for some reason. But If they do end up being called the black knights, I hope the crowd just cheers "Ni Ni Ni!" all the time. You know, because of Monty Python's Holy Grail... Two different scenes but still related. And they should throw stuffed rabbits onto the ice.
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And when they're inevitably down 3-0 and 4-0 in the first season they can play the scene where the knight refuses to admit he's beaten.
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