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Post by A_B » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:21 am

May was well have a new thread.

They have been running some "previews" ahead of European Championships highlighting certain players in defense, midfield and up front. And they have all been about 1/3 as long as they probably should be. No real information at all. Like they wanted to do soccer but didn't really have the heart to do it right.
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Post by Pruitt » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:25 am

A_B wrote:May was well have a new thread.

They have been running some "previews" ahead of European Championships highlighting certain players in defense, midfield and up front. And they have all been about 1/3 as long as they probably should be. No real information at all. Like they wanted to do soccer but didn't really have the heart to do it right.
Check out the Guardian's Football Weekly podcast. They are always entertaining and spent an hour on groups A, B and C. The other three groups covered tomorrow.

Plus the Guardian's Guide to Every Team And Player in the Tournament

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Post by govmentchedda » Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:45 pm

Simmons mentioned somewhere (probably his pod around the time that the Ringer debuted as a site) that he didn't like that Grantland was known as just longform, and that they're trying to do something different with The Ringer, more mobile-friendly, etc.
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Post by mister d » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:16 pm

That was the appeal of Grantland to me.
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Post by govmentchedda » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:28 pm

mister d wrote:That was the appeal of Grantland to me.
Agreed. When I heard him start to talk about, "studies show people read a lot of the internet on their phone...", I groaned.
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Post by tennbengal » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:38 pm

Also, I can read longform, quite happily, on my phone. I don't get that as a reason to dumb down or make the articles shorter. I agree that the first few soccer columns have been disappointingly short.

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Post by Johnnie » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:45 pm

Was it to dumb down articles and make them shorter?

I read that as the website itself wasn't conducive, in his opinion, to be read on the phone. I must have misinterpreted.
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Post by A_B » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:58 pm

Johnnie wrote:Was it to dumb down articles and make them shorter?

I read that as the website itself wasn't conducive, in his opinion, to be read on the phone. I must have misinterpreted.
Maybe. Each article comes with the length of time to read on the top with the Byline.
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Post by Ryan » Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:00 pm

Oh, so I guess you guys aren't interested in OVER 5000 WORDS¹ ABOUT THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN TELEVISION AND CULTURE FROM CHUCK KLOSTERMAN?!?!

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Post by L-Jam3 » Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:11 pm

I personally liked the longform, and I had no issues reading Grantland on the phone, on the shitter.

I do like the estimated reading time. And with the articles, I've read the same type and frequency as before.

Articles about sports, especially with a statistical and quantitative bent or quality entertainment? Read

Articles about reality tv, cuntmuppets, or long-ass articles from authors known to just puke words on the screen like Klosterman? Pass.
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Post by DSafetyGuy » Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:22 pm

The only thing I noteworthy in this article is that Kevin Durant is apparently the subject of trade discussion.

Otherwise, there's a whole lot of slurping going on.
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Post by A_B » Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:36 am

Four articles on the game last night from 4 different guys, each about 250-300 words or so. Holy shit this thing is a blog, not a media site.
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Post by Johnny Carwash » Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:09 am

Thing that happens to me regularly: getting a new e-mail notification and hoping it's one of you guys' Swampcrash answers, then being disappointed to see it's the Ringer newsletter.
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Post by govmentchedda » Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:36 pm

I enjoy everything Shea Serrano.
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Post by A_B » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:04 pm

govmentchedda wrote:I enjoy everything Shea Serrano.

He's good. Not Zach Lowe good but different good.
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Post by A_B » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:00 am

Hot Chicken! Great piece.
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Post by A_B » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:56 am

govmentchedda wrote:I enjoy everything Shea Serrano.

Great piece on Kaepernick and talking to kids about it.
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Post by govmentchedda » Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:11 am

A_B wrote:Hot Chicken! Great piece.
The hot chicken piece was good. Reminded me of the Korean chicken place that Oiler took me to a few weeks ago in K-town.
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Post by tennbengal » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:16 am

Nice write-up on the sadness that was the second game last night (including that paragraph on the good part of the game offensively):

https://theringer.com/rams-niners-stake ... .krgbg8pgt
Though he proved himself to be an adequately athletic quarterback (a point that Steve Young took care to emphasize, over and over and over again), the 49ers quarterback Blaine Gabbert seemed to make a habit of either over — or under — throwing his receivers. At the start of the Niners’ second touchdown drive, Gabbert had accumulated quite the stat line: 7-for-10 for 36 yards. In the third quarter, which lasted a small eternity, both teams combined for 48 yards of offense on 30 plays, and at the start of the fourth quarter, Keenum and Gabbert both had a staggering 81 yards to their name. It seemed as time wore on that this game kept finding ever deeper and more profound lows.

All this to say: It was bad, you guys. Really fucking bad.

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Post by A_B » Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:30 pm

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A_B wrote:Hot Chicken! Great piece.
The hot chicken piece was good. Reminded me of the Korean chicken place that Oiler took me to a few weeks ago in K-town.
I got some hot chicken from Big Shakes today. Got the level 4 of 6. I could not finish it. Didn't really have anything other than heat. No real flavor. Disappointed, but know I have only myself to blame.
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Post by sancarlos » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:45 pm

I think it would be fun to watch a game with Magary.
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Post by A_B » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:49 pm

sancarlos wrote:
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I agree with that but I also liked the Simmons Article
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Post by L-Jam3 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:02 pm

He threw his all-time staring five of Peaks of Magic, LeBron, MJ, Bird, and some random center. That's laughable that Bird is in that group. Peak KG or Duncan get that spot over Bird, and that's just recent dudes. I could argue Peak Mailman over Bird, too, and again, that's just recent. Malone or Duncan man the 4 with LeBron as the Swiss-Army knife, or throw LeBron with Garnett in the frontcourt to wreak havoc. All those guys I mentioned are miles better on the defensive side than Bird. What a fucking homer.
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Post by Pruitt » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:04 pm

Cited in that column was a Ringer column that made my brain hurt. It is so beyond parody that it may have created a new category of writing.

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But hey, it didn't cost me anything to access, so I can't get to uppity here.
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Post by Joe K » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:26 pm

Looks like we can add Simmons to the list of people whose careers have sputtered after leaving ESPN. HBO announced that they're cancelling Any Given Wednesday and that next week's show is the final episode. Simmons has always sucked on TV, so this isn't exactly a surprise.

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Post by tennbengal » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:24 pm

I think the Ringer has been awfully good since launch. Not as good as Grantland (can't really replace Lowe, Keri, Wesley Morris, Andy Greenwald, Holly Anderson and Rembert easily) but a pretty good option in its stead. Hope that operation can continue for the foreseeable future.

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Post by bapo! » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:42 pm

tennbengal wrote:I think the Ringer has been awfully good since launch. Not as good as Grantland (can't really replace Lowe, Keri, Wesley Morris, Andy Greenwald, Holly Anderson and Rembert easily) but a pretty good option in its stead. Hope that operation can continue for the foreseeable future.
I've been wanting to ask everybody's opinion on this for a while. I had given up on The Ringer over the summer. (I made it official by mentioning it in an email once.) Then I checked back in August or September and found a handful of very good, long football articles. So, it's at least back in my rotation, but I don't click on links every day.

I stay away from the culture side. There doesn't seem to be anything there for me. I'm willing to admit that that's as much my fault as the writers'/editors' fault. But I like the sports stuff, as long as it sticks to sports and not, like, comparing NBA players to Drake songs or whatever.

How about the rest of you guys? How many of you read it? How much do you enjoy it?

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Post by rass » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:57 pm

I follow enough associated writers on Twitter that I just go ahead and read any article that gets promoted that looks interesting. I very rarely hit the main page directly. I tried but haven't been able to make the NFL picks column weekly reading.
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rass wrote:I follow enough associated writers on Twitter that I just go ahead and read any article that gets promoted that looks interesting. I very rarely hit the main page directly. I tried but haven't been able to make the NFL picks column weekly reading.
Pretty much this for me. It's a pale imitation of Grantland, but it doesn't mean there isn't occasionally interesting stuff. Just not a bookmarkable/must-check option for me.

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Post by govmentchedda » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:55 pm

I've got a lot of Grantland/Ringer ideas but little time to put them into words. Loved Grantland, have no time for Ringer. Never watched AGS past ep.1. I'd probably put myself on Simmons fanboi side of the Swamp spectrum, but really wasn't grabbed by AGS, and think all Ringer stuff is too short/aimed at millenials with no attention span. Really happy for feeds that send Wesley Morris, Shea Serrano, and Rembert Browne stuff my way.
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Post by govmentchedda » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:57 pm

I also give no fucks about NFL, so that may affect my enjoyment. Really feels like Ringer was too Silicon Valley funded, and aimed at clicks, and completely missed the mark. Grantland felt like it had way more editorial freedom, but also good editors as well. Essentially editorial freedom and restriction at the same time.
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Post by rass » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:56 pm

Can't tell if he's joking, or waaah? Keri did credit him in the currently available version of the article.

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Post by rass » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:04 pm

OK, this is a quick turnaround, but Simmons maybe has a point here. The column format is pretty specific. Maybe this could have been handled differently, friend to friend, or editor to editor? Or maybe that was attempted and this was a last resort.
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