The Swamp

I saw that Tweet, but am obviously missing some reference.

Shirley wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:15 pm I saw that Tweet, but am obviously missing some reference.

Grantland staff found out they were getting laid off via the media.

You can read this thread for more.

Simmons and Rusillo are redrafting NBA drafts and I listened to the 1996 one, which was really interesting. They picked Nash and Ray Allen (along with Kobe) over Iverson.

Rusillo and someone from Barstool are doing a ripoff of All Fantasy Everything, and Ian Karmel is (rightly pissed). Read the whole thread.



TLDR: The Ringer tried to buy the AFE podcast last summer, and they (AFE) turned it down. Now Ryen Rusillo and someone from Barstool are doing the same format.

Obviously love his crew and that podcast, but there are like 4000 other fantasy draft and random bracket websites and podcasts out there already. Some came before his. How long has Page 2, Grantland, and The Ringer been doing them? The Takeout does food drafts. 538 drafts presidential candidates.

Typical bad optics that he turned them down so they turned around and did it on their own, but they didn't steal the idea.

I'm more disappointed that The Ringer is in bed with barstoool.

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:41 am I'm more disappointed that The Ringer is in bed with barstoool.

I think it's just Ryen Russillo who is close to Simmons and the PMT guys. Can't really blame him for trying to cash in for opportunities with both.

Does someone want to let Bill Simmons know that TheRinger.com is borked?

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 3:54 pm Does someone want to let Bill Simmons know that TheRinger.com is borked?

He's probably too busy in his new $16 million house after the sale to a podcast network.

Bill Simmons' employees turn on him after he is championed for diversity.

You truly, truly, truly, truly, truly hate to see it.

As a reference...



I'm sure that Spotify will do a tremendous job finding an outlet for the writers, as well.

Bill Simmons is trending again.

Hard to imagine anyone from Boston being a racist. This is shocking. Shocking, I tell you.

brian wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:21 am Hard to imagine anyone from Boston being a racist. This is shocking. Shocking, I tell you.

Yes, this is clearly a Boston problem

Present company excluded, of course, but c'mon...the history is there for all to see. I'm not inventing this stuff.

Yeah, it's not like a possible future HoFer had one team on his no-trade clause due to their racist fans and that team just said he was right.

Also, Simmons' nonsense is exactly how most racism works these days. It isn't KKK guys in hoods with nooses (though some of those guys obviously exist). It's people who went to elite schools, raised in privilege who own companies (like Simmons) who think nothing of having their idiot buddies from college on a podcast every week, but don't get it when questions are raised about why there's no black people on their platform and they reply that they're "not running a charity" or whatever idiocy he said.

That's fucking racism, 21st century style and the kind of shit right-thinking people are trying to defeat.

Boston has a bad history and still has problems, but in the context of what has happened in the rest of the country I think there is some "Hey, look at those racists..they suck" while ignoring what's happening where they live. Torii Hunter didn't want to play in Boston because he heard racist taunts. He felt much safer in Minneapolis and LA where there are no problems with cops doing anything to black people. When they did the Lakers/Celtics documentary, there was a lot about the Boston bussing riots, but nothing about LA riots caused by cops destroying black lives. There are so many documentaries, stories, video, everything about the entire country doing awful, awful racist things, so when I see a fanbase of another city say, "ha, look at racist Boston," my reaction is usually "Yes Boston has had problems, but [insert one of several racist events that occurred in that fan's city]"

Maybe I shouldn't have been defensive about a throwaway line about a writer who hasn't lived in Boston for 20 years, especially when the focus of the thread should be on how shitty Bill Simmons is.

brian wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:27 am Also, Simmons' nonsense is exactly how most racism works these days. It isn't KKK guys in hoods with nooses (though some of those guys obviously exist). It's people who went to elite schools, raised in privilege who own companies (like Simmons) who think nothing of having their idiot buddies from college on a podcast every week, but don't get it when questions are raised about why there's no black people on their platform and they reply that they're "not running a charity" or whatever idiocy he said.

That's fucking racism, 21st century style and the kind of shit right-thinking people are trying to defeat.

100% agree

Really hoping "Jalen Rose is my friend" gets used as a defense.

Tangentially-related: Anyone who wept over the death of Grantland sweating when Spotify will eventually dump the website?

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:07 am Really hoping "Jalen Rose is my friend" gets used as a defense.

Tangentially-related: Anyone who wept over the death of Grantland sweating when Spotify will eventually dump the website?

I still visit every day, and maybe it's the 'rona, but their content hasn't been very good lately. The stupid nba Top 5s were as lazy as could be.

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:09 am

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:07 am Really hoping "Jalen Rose is my friend" gets used as a defense.

Tangentially-related: Anyone who wept over the death of Grantland sweating when Spotify will eventually dump the website?

I still visit every day, and maybe it's the 'rona, but their content hasn't been very good lately. The stupid nba Top 5s were as lazy as could be.

You mean you aren't a fan of the 'Top 20 Movie Weddings' column?

Guys, I don't think he's in charge anymore

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:58 am

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:09 am

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:07 am Really hoping "Jalen Rose is my friend" gets used as a defense.

Tangentially-related: Anyone who wept over the death of Grantland sweating when Spotify will eventually dump the website?

I still visit every day, and maybe it's the 'rona, but their content hasn't been very good lately. The stupid nba Top 5s were as lazy as could be.

You mean you aren't a fan of the 'Top 20 Movie Weddings' column?

I did scroll through it, but, no, I was not.

Read the entire thread...

"I can't be prejudice, Robert Parish was my 3rd favorite big man growing up."

brian wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:12 am Present company excluded, of course, but c'mon...the history is there for all to see. I'm not inventing this stuff.

Boston isn't more or less racist than other areas. Can't blame Simmons or Boston for institutionalized racism but it is fair to challenge them on it. It's more that there aren't many black people and those that are there aren't doing terribly well and are generally various afro carribeans and Africans. It just sucks to live in Boston as a black person. Mostly cause the women are ugly and the houses expensive.

Boston may not be any more or less racist than a typical city, but those outer suburbs and beyond ...

Drew Magary goes house on Bill Simmons. Wish I could inject it into my veins.

brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:34 am Drew Magary goes house on Bill Simmons. Wish I could inject it into my veins.

I haven't read the whole thing, but feel like this was not necessary:

People far and wide are going to hang that quote around Simmons' neck

That's a pretty commonly used metaphor and don't think it was intended to be flip.

That definitely strikes me more of an "animal shaming meme" than had he said use the quote to hang him by the neck or something like that.

Still think we should probably stay away from hanging metaphors, especially when discussing a topic like this.

brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:34 am Drew Magary goes house on Bill Simmons. Wish I could inject it into my veins.

Oh, yeah. That's the stuff.

tennbengal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:38 am

brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:34 am Drew Magary goes house on Bill Simmons. Wish I could inject it into my veins.

Oh, yeah. That's the stuff.

I just came here to post the link, too. It is tremendous.

brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:34 am Drew Magary goes house on Bill Simmons. Wish I could inject it into my veins.

Pretty right on from Drew.

“Do I get to speak now? It’s been like ten minutes.”
Bill Simmons is an only child.

There are many narratives about Simmons—that he’s a godsend, an innovator, a genius, a workaholic, your favorite writer … or that he’s a racist, a misogynist, a frat boy from Boston, a multimillionaire who navigated through a dying industry for his own profit.

Here’s one more narrative to consider. “He’s an only child,” Jarod Hector said to me on the phone Tuesday morning, by which time “Bill Simmons” was well and truly trending on Twitter. “That always seemed like a big part of it.”

That is a tremendous article and I cannot suggest reading it strongly enough.

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:55 pm That is a tremendous article and I cannot suggest reading it strongly enough.

I’m gonna read it twice. It’s so damn good.