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Not to early to start, right?

Here's predicting that he decides not to live in the White House. Not luxurious for him.
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I think we're going to see a significant brain drain in the research sector. Qualified research scientists are being / will be culled by international research organizations as the NSF, EPA and the NIH will undoubtedly face massive budget cuts. Stem cell research will likely again be DOA.

Of course, all of this will have a decades-long reverberation as it'll discourage students from such career paths.

All because voters hated Clinton so much that they were willing to hedge their bet that "Nah...Trump wouldn't do that..."

Yay, America, and Yay the thought process that put this into motion!
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EnochRoot wrote:All because voters hated Clinton so much that they were willing to hedge their bet that "Nah...Trump wouldn't do that..."

Yay, America, and Yay the thought process that put this into motion!
I share your frustrations with voters but I'm also at least as frustrated with the Clinton campaign for giving so little attention to the upper Midwest states that cost her the election. Given the vast available campaign resources, there was no excuse for Clinton making barely half as many campaign stops as Trump in those states, or for running far fewer ads in Milwaukee than in Los Angeles. Many Trump voters in those states can be won back, as early as 2018, and the Democratic would be foolish to be dismissive of these voters or their (legitimate) economic concerns.
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2008 election:

McCain received just south of 60 million votes
Obama received just south of 69.5 million votes

2012 election:

Romney received just south of 61 million votes
Obama received just south of 66 million votes

2016

Trump received just north of 60 million votes (so far)
Clinton received just south of 61 million votes (so far)

Trump received the commensurate amount that he would have received. Now, how that breaks up state to state, that'll be some digging. But listening to podcasts, areas Obama won in 2012 completely flipped and then some for Trump. Areas throughout Pennsylvania and Ohio. So, those areas came out in force --especially amongst aggrieved white people.

And not for nothing, the DNC anointed Clinton and had a boatload of super delegates before the primaries kicked off. Debbie Wasserman Schultz was her number 1 cheerleader. When she was replaced she went and immediately worked in the Clinton campaign. Democrats were condescended to that it was "her time" despite the fact people didn't like her and she was under federal investigation.

Stop blaming this on anyone but Clinton and the DNC. Not Comey. Not Trump supporters. Not third party voters. No one but her and an organization that condescended to everyone.

Clinton was a shit candidate and garbage human being that if you didn't vote for her you were sexist, misogynistic, etc.

And her fucking hubris by not visiting certain states that collapsed her blue wall, is that everyone else's fault too?


But now with this trump administration...Steve Bannon as chief strategist. Seriously, buy guns and ammo. He's a white supremacist anti Semite. It turns Breitbart into Pravda. This isn't good.
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The Bannon announcement, while not unexpected, has managed to make a dispiriting week even worse.

So any thoughts that the international banking conspiracy talk, and the insistence that the sitting President created a terrorist organization determined to undermine the U.S.A., were just "dog whistles" to get Trump elected were hopelessly optimistic.

Sadly, Netanyahu is almost as vile a creature as Trump, so he won't have the balls to ask his new friend about the anti-semite who has unfettered access to the Oval Office.
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Johnnie wrote:And not for nothing, the DNC anointed Clinton and had a boatload of super delegates before the primaries kicked off. Debbie Wasserman Schultz was her number 1 cheerleader. When she was replaced she went and immediately worked in the Clinton campaign. Democrats were condescended to that it was "her time" despite the fact people didn't like her and she was under federal investigation.

Stop blaming this on anyone but Clinton and the DNC. Not Comey. Not Trump supporters. Not third party voters. No one but her and an organization that condescended to everyone.
That's where I stand too. Remember, they tried to do the same thing back in 2008. They, and the willing media, decided Hillary would the be candidate before the primaries even started. If I recall correctly, the Swamp was pretty angry about that at the time and pretty much declared that Hillary could never win a general election.

It was only the force of Obama's campaigning - great speaking, compelling candidate - that overturned the DNC's choice for 2008. They only grudgingly starting supporting money - and money flowed his way - after he won a bunch of primary states. This time, they stubbornly stuck with Hillary - and surely discouraged a number of candidates from even running - and well, this is what we all got.

Nice job.
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On Earth-2, the GOP tightly controlled its primary process while the Democrats didn't, leaving us with Jeb vs. Franken.
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When aren't we supposed to buy guns and ammo?
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Rex wrote:On Earth-2, the GOP tightly controlled its primary process while the Democrats didn't, leaving us with Jeb vs. Franken.
Yeah, it's funny. That might actually be the lesson the GOP took from this - we should do what the DNC did!
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Shirley wrote:
Johnnie wrote:And not for nothing, the DNC anointed Clinton and had a boatload of super delegates before the primaries kicked off. Debbie Wasserman Schultz was her number 1 cheerleader. When she was replaced she went and immediately worked in the Clinton campaign. Democrats were condescended to that it was "her time" despite the fact people didn't like her and she was under federal investigation.

Stop blaming this on anyone but Clinton and the DNC. Not Comey. Not Trump supporters. Not third party voters. No one but her and an organization that condescended to everyone.
That's where I stand too. Remember, they tried to do the same thing back in 2008. They, and the willing media, decided Hillary would the be candidate before the primaries even started. If I recall correctly, the Swamp was pretty angry about that at the time and pretty much declared that Hillary could never win a general election.

It was only the force of Obama's campaigning - great speaking, compelling candidate - that overturned the DNC's choice for 2008. They only grudgingly starting supporting money - and money flowed his way - after he won a bunch of primary states. This time, they stubbornly stuck with Hillary - and surely discouraged a number of candidates from even running - and well, this is what we all got.

Nice job.

do you think that Obama not coming through on his hope and change message (mostly through no fault of his own) made it worse? Remember Hillary in 2008 would have run as the challenger against McCain with people pissed at Bush. She probably would have won. But this 2016 election was a change election the other way so it was even more stacked against her.

I also think the Democrats were arrogant this time around. As Johnnie said, not going to the RustBelt states. Trump campaigned there like a madman the final weekend. She depended on the Latino vote yet no money was funneled down. There have been articles the past week of Latino communities saying "we never got any funding to get the vote out". Getting the vote out takes money and/or volunteers. I've been a volunteer driver once, it's not easy to coordinate.
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Hillary wouldn't have beaten McCain. She was every bit as unpopular with vast swaths of the country back then too. And I'm pretty sure McCain's handlers wouldn't have picked Palin to be his running mate - wouldn't have needed her to beat Hillary.
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degenerasian wrote:
Shirley wrote:
Johnnie wrote:And not for nothing, the DNC anointed Clinton and had a boatload of super delegates before the primaries kicked off. Debbie Wasserman Schultz was her number 1 cheerleader. When she was replaced she went and immediately worked in the Clinton campaign. Democrats were condescended to that it was "her time" despite the fact people didn't like her and she was under federal investigation.

Stop blaming this on anyone but Clinton and the DNC. Not Comey. Not Trump supporters. Not third party voters. No one but her and an organization that condescended to everyone.
That's where I stand too. Remember, they tried to do the same thing back in 2008. They, and the willing media, decided Hillary would the be candidate before the primaries even started. If I recall correctly, the Swamp was pretty angry about that at the time and pretty much declared that Hillary could never win a general election.

It was only the force of Obama's campaigning - great speaking, compelling candidate - that overturned the DNC's choice for 2008. They only grudgingly starting supporting money - and money flowed his way - after he won a bunch of primary states. This time, they stubbornly stuck with Hillary - and surely discouraged a number of candidates from even running - and well, this is what we all got.

Nice job.

do you think that Obama not coming through on his hope and change message (mostly through no fault of his own) made it worse? Remember Hillary in 2008 would have run as the challenger against McCain with people pissed at Bush. She probably would have won. But this 2016 election was a change election the other way so it was even more stacked against her.

I also think the Democrats were arrogant this time around. As Johnnie said, not going to the RustBelt states. Trump campaigned there like a madman the final weekend. She depended on the Latino vote yet no money was funneled down. There have been articles the past week of Latino communities saying "we never got any funding to get the vote out". Getting the vote out takes money and/or volunteers. I've been a volunteer driver once, it's not easy to coordinate.
To your first point, I think the international wave of right-wing populism and nativism is due in large part to popular frustration with governments' response to the Recession. Obama (like Bush before him) went to great lengths to save the financial industry. But he didn't do nearly enough to provide commensurate relief to homeowners, workers, etc. Did Congress tie his hands on this? Yes, to a degree, but I certainly think there's more that Obama could have done. Trump's message of blowing up the system and spitting in the face of the establishment had particular appeal among white working class voters in areas like the Rust Belt that have been hit particularly hard by changing economic conditions. Not only did the Clinton campaign completely take those states for granted but it didn't do nearly enough to address the legitimate economic grievances that these voters have. Obviously there were other risks to nominating Sanders, but he had a much better appreciation of this issue.
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The political plays here will be absolutely fascinating. If Hillary won, we know we would have been in for an obstructionist Congress and 4 years of conspiracy theories and attacks coming from prominent Congressmen and likely 18 months of whining and excuse-making from Trump. We probably would have had refusals to confirm S.Ct. Justices and lower court Judges as well, while the RW media complained about Hillary being a do-nothing President who was happy to get the title and not work, possibly because she has Parkinson's, Ebola, and picked up syphilis and AIDS from Bill, even though they haven't fucked since Chelsea was conceived.

Now? Is Trump going to go off on a career-killing spree against everyone who failed to kowtow to him? Surrogate raging lunatic Omorossa said he has an "Enemies List" and a long memory. That's a great way to start your transition period, tell everyone he is a vindictive prick who will fuck everyone over, and use a reviled phrase associated with the worst of Nixon. With all the talk of Trump inevitably doing something worthy of impeachment, why not have your own surrogate link you to Nixonian practices? Fucking idiot.

Will Congress play into Trump's ego in hopes he let's them push their agendas through? If so, how far will they let him go? It's clear, left to his own devices, Trump would want to rule as an authoritarian strongman. No criticism or descent would be allowed, and he would seek revenge and send mean Tweets and sue everyone who criticised him. The media would be severely restricted, and he would love to raid the Treasury. There could be 4 Supreme Ct nominations and with the 100+ judicial vacancies currently open and others that will inevitably open, Trump could fill 300 Federal judicial positions. I wouldn't be surprised if he added seats on lower court benches. I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to add seats to the Supreme Court, but will his advisors talk sense into him? Would Congress stop him, if he was nominating Justices supporting their views?

What happens with the 75 lawsuits currently filed against or by Trump? Will he invoke Executive Privilege and refuse to submitted documents or testify? Will he impeach judges who rule against him? Will Congress back him? Trump has said his first day he will make it easier to sue the press. Will he? Will he pack courts with Judges that would obey him? Until this year, I would have considered this all conspiracy theory insanity of the worst kind. I was infuriated by the RW media pushing similar fears about Obama for the past 8 years, but Trump has campaigned saying he will do many of these things, and he idolizes the style of "strong leaders" like Putin, Kim Jung Un and Saddam.

Trump named Reince Priebus Chief of Staff, so this shows he is trying to make amends with the GOP. Or keeping his enemies closer, who knows. I hope there is no truth to the rumours of his other cabinet appointments like Palin for Sec of Interior, Carson for Education, Giuliani for AG, Newt for Sec of State. I'm glad Bannon isn't Chief of Staff, but Chief Strategist is frightening given his history. Imagine the propaganda and lies that will flow from the WH.
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Shirley wrote:Hillary wouldn't have beaten McCain. She was every bit as unpopular with vast swaths of the country back then too. And I'm pretty sure McCain's handlers wouldn't have picked Palin to be his running mate - wouldn't have needed her to beat Hillary.
From what I've read, the top 8 or so choices for McCain's running mate all turned down the offer, and they were forced to offer Palin the role without vetting her. The McCain staff who went to Alaska to meet her were left in fear thinking, "what have we done?" Fuck them for bringing her into a national spotlight.
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Shirley wrote:Hillary wouldn't have beaten McCain. She was every bit as unpopular with vast swaths of the country back then too. And I'm pretty sure McCain's handlers wouldn't have picked Palin to be his running mate - wouldn't have needed her to beat Hillary.
From what I've read, the top 8 or so choices for McCain's running mate all turned down the offer, and they were forced to offer Palin the role without vetting her. The McCain staff who went to Alaska to meet her were left in fear thinking, "what have we done?" Fuck them for bringing her into a national spotlight.
Even Romney? I find that hard to believe.

And it's funny how a choice by the DNC of selecting Obama led the GOP to react and overreach with someone like Palin. It legitimized crazy and have Fox News a mouthpiece for nonsense. But since she was an actual Veep candidate, it's now hard to play off as someone easily dismissed. (Kinda reminds me of that 'Nation States' game we all played a while back. "Oh sure this sounds like a good idea in my nation state." ::makes decision:: "Oh, fuck. I didn't expect that curve ball. Thanks, game.")

But that also got them ratings and furthered the psychosis of the Right Wing commentary. Couple that with talk radio and the rise of the fringe like Breitbart (who, btw the real Andrew Breitbart helped Huffington Post get off the ground) and the eventual echo chamber of Facebook bullshit clickbait links, and here we are.

Which gets me thinking...those of you on Facebook, did you ever recall your friends posing a status that said "Here's an experiment...see how many people you know 'like' Clinton, Trump, Bernie..etc. and post the results. Be completely honest."

Many of my friends did and that led me check as well. Even the most liberal of my friends had more of their friends 'like' Donald Trump. At the time I completely wrote it off figuring the majority of the public who votes isn't I Facebook. But that was clearly naive of me. The official Hillary Clinton page has 9.4 million likes. Donald Trump has 14.6 million. Hillary's Twitter has 11 million followers. Trump's has 15 million followers.

I'm willing to bet that social media is playing a huge role in this, yet no one from the mainstream is really looking into it. Sure, there were calls to Facebook to clean up their website which was met with "Huh? Who? Us? There's nothing wrong with Facebook." But there most certainly is. And Bannon had to know this. And I'm sure the DNC and the Hillary camp eschewed it or failed to take it seriously. This "post fact, post truth" world lives and dies by the willful spread of misinformation. It's why I'm quoting Facebook and, I'd venture to say why someone like Marc Maron, according to his most recent podcast, quit Twitter.

Anywho, listen to the most recent United States of Anxiety podcast. http://www.wnyc.org/story/united-states ... -episode-8

There are some excellent nuggets there too. This whole thing is a culmination of small details building up with the outcome being Trump as President. The next election needs a solid operative from democrats going nuts on the social media front the way republicans have. That and hoping this gains traction: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa ... te_Compact
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Johnnie, I totally agree with your premise, 100% The social media echo chamber absolutely gives credibility and verification of what otherwise would have been fringe beliefs, wild conspiracies and blatantly false propaganda. I have some well educated, very politically informed friends who regularly read Breitbart and view it as a legit news source. They believe in the Liberal Media concept, and that sources like Breitbart and Drudge are among the only sources reporting legit stories the MSM wants to bury to protect the establishment, Dems, and Liberal ideas.

OTOH, if I was on Twitter, I definitely would have followed Trump for the sheer comedy value, and to infuriate myself reading his followers' comments. I doubt I would have bothered following Hillary. I assume it would either be preaching to the choir, or off-putting crap from her campaign. No entertainment value, and if there was anything newsworthy, 40 of my friends/people I follow would retweet.
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Should make a bet on the over/under on the number of pages in this thread by 2020 right now.
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And for what's worth I find the Monday morning quarterbacking in this thread and the others pretty tedious. It's easy to say "I told you so" when you have no idea how an alternate universe would have played out where Lord Bernie rode his majestic steed to the White House. It's really, really fucking hard to win the White House three times in a row with two different candidates which is why it's only been done once since the 22nd Amendment passed.
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The TRUMP camp didn't think they were going to win, ffs. They did, literally, ZERO prep in case he won. NONE. They don't understand what the role of president even is... Have you guys seen this: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/trumps ... 1788949997
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brian wrote:And for what's worth I find the Monday morning quarterbacking in this thread and the others pretty tedious. It's easy to say "I told you so" when you have no idea how an alternate universe would have played out where Lord Bernie rode his majestic steed to the White House. It's really, really fucking hard to win the White House three times in a row with two different candidates which is why it's only been done once since the 22nd Amendment passed.
There is NO WAY Bernie would have won this election. No fucking way. And for the Dems, it was Hillary or bust.

Trump has no idea what he's gotten himself into. He had to be told that no, none of the current WH staff would be staying on for his new administration.
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DaveInSeattle wrote:There is NO WAY Bernie would have won this election. No fucking way. And for the Dems, it was Hillary or bust.
But was it Hillary or bust because she was our best shot or because she was chosen as the candidate and only a crazy old socialist was going to disobey party orders and challenge her? And should his popularity have been a massive warning sign? That's my MMQB-ing, not "should it have been Sanders?" It shouldn't have been Sanders. And she shouldn't have lost.
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Sigh ...

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mister d wrote:
DaveInSeattle wrote:There is NO WAY Bernie would have won this election. No fucking way. And for the Dems, it was Hillary or bust.
But was it Hillary or bust because she was our best shot or because she was chosen as the candidate and only a crazy old socialist was going to disobey party orders and challenge her? And should his popularity have been a massive warning sign? That's my MMQB-ing, not "should it have been Sanders?" It shouldn't have been Sanders. And she shouldn't have lost.
Yeah, given all of Hillary's baggage, the notion that she was the only viable candidate certainly paints a bleak view of the Democratic Party. Even if you accept the premise that a more liberal Democrat could not win, what about candidates like Biden, Kaine, Sherrod Brown, Deval Patrick, etc.?
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I wanted Biden from the start, but I still suspect it would have been uphill (though not unwinnable) knowing what we know now. In any event, he didn't run so it's counterproductive to beat my chest about it. Hopefully the biggest thing the DNC will do is turn to someone like Ellison (a relative outsider and a liberal one at that) to run the DNC and throw the doors open to some new blood for the race in 2020.
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Dammit, mine doesn't make sense anymore and I was too lazy to screenshot. The original image was the train crashing into Hoboken station and not Obama walking.
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I saw the train crash tweet, Mister D, fwiw.

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Johnnie wrote:I saw the train crash tweet, Mister D, fwiw.

Also, Australia knows what's up: 'Fake news' on social media influenced US election voters, experts say
I believe it. I know people that will forward any stupid, biased pro-right wing or anti-left wing story they can find. And, if I tell them they are wrong and reference snopes or politifact, they just say those sites are liberal and biased.
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Johnnie wrote:I saw the train crash tweet, Mister D, fwiw.

Also, Australia knows what's up: 'Fake news' on social media influenced US election voters, experts say
I believe it. I know people that will forward any stupid, biased pro-right wing or anti-left wing story they can find. And, if I tell them they are wrong and reference snopes or politifact, they just say those sites are liberal and biased.

I was literally just on a "friend's" page just now posting a similar article from Buzzfeed. He has a habit of posting fake news, even though the only feedback he gets is one idiot agreeing with the fake news and then a stream of other people telling him it was fake. The one he forwarded today was a re-purposing of 2015 article saying With Trump Becoming President, Ford Brings Plant Back from Mexico to Ohio (or some such nonsense.)
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there is a lot of blame to go around. really there is. wasserman and the dnc have to own the lions share no doubt, but the media has to own a bit as well. even on election day they were reporting a hillary win as a foregone conclusion. if they had taken trump seriously and reported it as a race maybe more people mobilize to stop it. they were mocking and openly dismissive and it cost us all. people didnt like their party and candidate being ignored. it also should be noted that obama shares a little blame for appointing clinton as secretary of state and positioning clinton for the nomination. maybe some blame on joe biden for not running...some blame on debbienwasserman for openly plottimg to kill bernie sanders candidacy..the fbi for not arresting hillary and making her ineligible...fuck lets blame everybody
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brian wrote:I wanted Biden from the start, but I still suspect it would have been uphill (though not unwinnable) knowing what we know now. In any event, he didn't run so it's counterproductive to beat my chest about it. Hopefully the biggest thing the DNC will do is turn to someone like Ellison (a relative outsider and a liberal one at that) to run the DNC and throw the doors open to some new blood for the race in 2020.
I agree that a change of course for the DNC is essential. The national races have understandably gotten the most attention but the Democratic Party has also been getting wiped out on the state level. The GOP is very close to controlling enough state legislatures to ratify Constitutional Amendments via strict party line votes.
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Are there enough Republicans in Congress to possibly join up with Democrats to combat Trump? I wonder if that's a viable thing.
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Johnnie wrote:Are there enough Republicans in Congress to possibly join up with Democrats to combat Trump? I wonder if that's a viable thing.
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Pruitt wrote:
Johnnie wrote:Are there enough Republicans in Congress to possibly join up with Democrats to combat Trump? I wonder if that's a viable thing.
These trained monkeys are in the cat bird seat. Why make waves now?
True. But stranger things have happened.
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TT2.0 wrote:there is a lot of blame to go around. really there is. wasserman and the dnc have to own the lions share no doubt, but the media has to own a bit as well. even on election day they were reporting a hillary win as a foregone conclusion. if they had taken trump seriously and reported it as a race maybe more people mobilize to stop it. they were mocking and openly dismissive and it cost us all. people didnt like their party and candidate being ignored. it also should be noted that obama shares a little blame for appointing clinton as secretary of state and positioning clinton for the nomination. maybe some blame on joe biden for not running...some blame on debbienwasserman for openly plottimg to kill bernie sanders candidacy..the fbi for not arresting hillary and making her ineligible...fuck lets blame everybody
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Charles Pierce at Esquire brought up this Hunter Thompson quote.

Valid in 1972, valid in 2016.
This may be the year when we finally come face to face with ourselves; finally just lay back and say it—that we are really just a nation of 220 million used car salesmen with all the money we need to buy guns, and no qualms at all about killing anybody else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable. The tragedy of all this is that George McGovern, for all his mistakes... understands what a fantastic monument to all the best instincts of the human race this country might have been, if we could have kept it out of the hands of greedy little hustlers like Richard Nixon. McGovern made some stupid mistakes, but in context they seem almost frivolous compared to the things Richard Nixon does every day of his life, on purpose... Jesus! Where will it end? How low do you have to stoop in this country to be President?
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Pruitt wrote:Charles Pierce at Esquire brought up this Hunter Thompson quote.

Valid in 1972, valid in 2016.
This may be the year when we finally come face to face with ourselves; finally just lay back and say it—that we are really just a nation of 220 million used car salesmen with all the money we need to buy guns, and no qualms at all about killing anybody else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable. The tragedy of all this is that George McGovern, for all his mistakes... understands what a fantastic monument to all the best instincts of the human race this country might have been, if we could have kept it out of the hands of greedy little hustlers like Richard Nixon. McGovern made some stupid mistakes, but in context they seem almost frivolous compared to the things Richard Nixon does every day of his life, on purpose... Jesus! Where will it end? How low do you have to stoop in this country to be President?
Today, you have to stoop even lower than Nixon.


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Lets just wait and see whether or not he presides in his own financial best interests. We owe it to him to give him a chance.
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Kids being installed with full security clearance, personal business run out of white house, no traditional press access or coverage, toadies and cronies put into all positions, experience not necessary. The dictatorship is here. Pretty much as a lot of us predicted. I mean, he's pretty much early Saddam Hussein at this point.
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The part of this that is perhaps most disquieting at this point is that we have true minority rule now. With the gerrymandered Congressional districts, Trump not winning the popular vote, etc., a definite minority is about to impose its will on the majority. Without any checks. At all. And, even more terrifying, the police state that exists will be absolutely on board with that. People think protesting will make a difference? I am guessing within the calendar year 2017 curbs on protests will be in put in place that will be so draconian that going to a protest will mean you are risking extensive jail time (at a minimum). And, really, the courts can't or won't stop it. What authority do courts have, in the end? If a court rules, and there is no mechanism to enforce, a court is useless. Frankly, I think the American experiment truly died on election night. Now the question is what comes next and how bad it is.
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