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Re: Science!

Post by brian » Thu May 12, 2016 2:44 pm

Yeah, I see first hand the developments with solar here. Per capita we lead the country in solar energy production. Like I said I'm more curious about the smart grid technology. Everything I've ever read says that the major stumbling block to using wind or solar is that the energy can't be transported easily so it's essentially only local energy. If you could generate solar energy in Nevada or wind energy in Kansas and ship it to Texas then that would be a game changer.

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Post by A_B » Thu May 12, 2016 2:46 pm

brian wrote:Yeah, I see first hand the developments with solar here. Per capita we lead the country in solar energy production. Like I said I'm more curious about the smart grid technology. Everything I've ever read says that the major stumbling block to using wind or solar is that the energy can't be transported easily so it's essentially only local energy. If you could generate solar energy in Nevada or wind energy in Kansas and ship it to Texas then that would be a game changer.
Right. And likely very expensive for Texans, who, despite preconceived notions, probably don't want bigger power bills.
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Re: Science!

Post by Steve of phpBB » Thu May 12, 2016 2:49 pm

To follow up on my earlier post, here is an article by the aforementioned David Roberts from 2012, discussing the solar and clean energy provisions of the stimulus.

http://grist.org/politics/obamas-stimul ... -grunwald/

Here's another more recent article about the growth of solar power:

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/10/11192022/b ... boom-times
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Re: Science!

Post by Steve of phpBB » Mon May 23, 2016 6:09 pm

Total power plant emissions in the US are about twenty percent less than they were ten years ago, down to about the same level as 1993.

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/powe ... ign=buffer
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Post by Giff » Tue May 24, 2016 8:14 am

Steve of phpBB wrote:Total power plant emissions in the US are about twenty percent less than they were ten years ago, down to about the same level as 1993.

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/powe ... ign=buffer
The electric power sector’s carbon emissions are falling for several reasons. Warmer winters in the U.S., influenced by global warming, have reduced the need for people to heat their homes, driving down electric power demand in the winter months, according to the EIA.
Great...I think.
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Post by BSF21 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:34 am

Elon Musk continues to be my hero.

After the Falcon 9 booster failed to land safely yesterday, Musk says the rocket experienced a "Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly". So much more eloquent than "shit hit barge hard and exploded"
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Re: Science!

Post by Sabo » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:32 am

Woo hoo! Some good news about the ozone layer.

Hole in ozone layer is closing and will be 'healed' by 2050
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Post by howard » Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:11 pm

some yabhoo tweeted:

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Post by Johnny Carwash » Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:20 pm

That's because no more '80s aerosol hairspray, right?
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Post by howard » Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:23 pm

That's what they told us. I never read the science.
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Post by The Sybian » Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:48 pm

howard wrote:some yabhoo tweeted:


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Post by howard » Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:52 pm

Johnnie told me it was OK.
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Post by Sabo » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:09 pm

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Post by howard » Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:13 pm

Road trip!
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Post by rass » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:03 pm

I felt aswirl with warm secretions.

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Post by BSF21 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:11 pm

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Post by Sabo » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:06 pm

Nope. That is really a U.S. House committee Twitter account tweeting an anti-climate change story from Breitbart.

Welcome to the new world. Bring hip waders because it's gonna get deep.
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Post by rass » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:38 am

I should have created a "Science???" thread.
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Post by DaveInSeattle » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:12 am

Sabo wrote:Nope. That is really a U.S. House committee Twitter account tweeting an anti-climate change story from Breitbart.

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Post by Sabo » Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:45 pm

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Post by Sabo » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:54 am

Here's a time-lapse movie showing four Jupiter-sized planets orbiting a star. Pretty freaking remarkable.

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Post by Pruitt » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:51 pm

Incredible.
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Post by sancarlos » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:50 am

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Post by Sabo » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:00 am

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Post by Johnnie » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:29 am

This past weekend was Earth Day and a march for science. However, having from the comments in this Reddit thread, they use the same closemindedness as religion in its approach.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/deg ... us_science



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Post by sancarlos » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:44 am

Reminds me of this:

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Post by Johnnie » Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:44 pm

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Post by Jerloma » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:13 am

I don't like the way NDT said that at all. Yes, facts are true whether or not you believe them but you sure as hell have the option not to believe them. That's kind of the point of freedom.
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Re: Science!

Post by mister d » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:24 am

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ...
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Post by brian » Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:04 am

Jerloma wrote:I don't like the way NDT said that at all. Yes, facts are true whether or not you believe them but you sure as hell have the option not to believe them. That's kind of the point of freedom.
That's like saying you have the freedom to believe that Sandy Hook was a false flag and the kids who died were made up.

It's legally true you can say that, but it's morally and socially reprehensible. I think that was NDT's point and he's right.

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Post by mister d » Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:32 am

And it was a comment about those in power. Very different than a dipshit neighbor posting a blizzard pic on Facebook with "GLOBAL WARMING???"
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Post by Jerloma » Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:48 am

Well that's certainly the danger of having an uninformed population in a democracy but it's still kind of how it works. The idiots will almost always vote for the idiots.
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Post by mister d » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:07 pm

So if trump immediately cut all school funding because he doesn't believe right to an education is a real principle and congress went along, we shrug and say it's his right to believe that.
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Post by Ryan » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:12 pm

Yes?

I wouldn't think he meant democracy in the sense of the construct itself. If so, then I'm with Jerlomes - it doesn't really make sense. I think he just meant it as a shorthand for "America" or "our society"
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Post by brian » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:17 pm

Ryan wrote:Yes?

I wouldn't think he meant democracy in the sense of the construct itself. If so, then I'm with Jerlomes - it doesn't really make sense. I think he just meant it as a shorthand for "America" or "our society"
I think you can literally extrapolate it out to democracy though because if people literally stop believing things that are true are not true, then it's a pretty short step to being able to more easily subvert democracy (the institution).

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Post by Ryan » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:22 pm

brian wrote:
Ryan wrote:Yes?

I wouldn't think he meant democracy in the sense of the construct itself. If so, then I'm with Jerlomes - it doesn't really make sense. I think he just meant it as a shorthand for "America" or "our society"
I think you can literally extrapolate it out to democracy though because if people literally stop believing things that are true are not true, then it's a pretty short step to being able to more easily subvert democracy (the institution).
If 51% of people stop believing things that are true, then it's still a democracy, right? A completely fucked geopolitical entity, but a democracy.

We're basically already there.
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Post by Jerloma » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:37 pm

mister d wrote:So if trump immediately cut all school funding because he doesn't believe right to an education is a real principle and congress went along, we shrug and say it's his right to believe that.
No we condemn the piss out of them first but yeah...basically. That's kind of the danger of democracy.
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Re: Science!

Post by Steve of phpBB » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:25 pm

I think NDT's quote omits a crucial point. Yes, facts are true whether we believe them or not. But for most facts, especially facts relevant for public policy, we don't have firsthand knowledge of them. We have to take other peoples' words for them. And in most cases involving scientific, those other people don't have firsthand knowledge, but instead are drawing conclusions based on certain studies, or investigations, or experiments, or whatever.

And those people can make mistakes, or be biased, or be dishonest.

So yes, facts are true whether we believe them or not, but when you read or hear about something outside of your own direct knowledge, you have to make a choice as to whether to believe the people telling you about it.
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