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So after San Diego gets an expansion team, now Philadelphia is coming back to the pro indoor lacrosse league.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... lphia-team
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Brackets Brackets & Brackets
https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/lacrosse-men/d1/2019

Good games all over the place in the D1 first round. Sunday Notre Dame v. JHU will be a good. Blue Jays getting hot at the right time.
Upsets will happen in the first round. Terps will be Towson and at least one more.

On the D3 side...you can learn about some schols you never knew existed or had varsity lacrosse teams by looking
https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/lacrosse-men/d3

First rounds are pretty much a joke because of the Automatic Qualification model (but F&M v. Stevenson should be good). But next weekend will be some fun ones. W&L likely v. York
Lynchburg v. Salisbury

Also over the last several years the d3 and d2 championships have been way better tv watching than the finals.
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Denver and Cornell got kind of boned. I wouldn't have been too upset if Hopkins didn't get the at-large. Playing PSU so tight on Saturday, after they got annihilated in the regular season, probably tipped them across the line after beating MD two times in a week.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Mon May 06, 2019 11:20 am Denver and Cornell got kind of boned. I wouldn't have been too upset if Hopkins didn't get the at-large. Playing PSU so tight on Saturday, after they got annihilated in the regular season, probably tipped them across the line after beating MD two times in a week.
The interview with the head (Brown AD) pointed to some bad losses by Cornell. Denver had some bad loses and not many big wins. JHU only got in on SOS. 2 wins against MD helped (and put Maryland as the away team against Towson). The 2nd win also lined them up for the extra game against PSU making the SOS even better.
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Yeah, on Hop, I thought they needed to get past MD but wasn't sure just playing PSU was going to be enough.

And, yeah, "kinda boned" in that both Cornell and the Pios knew what they had to do to get in. Those SoS numbers were well known to everyone involved this weekend.

And as the article said, a couple ranked teams losing in the semis and/or finals (and not consolidating AQ slots) hurt Denver and Cornell at-large chances.
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The big conversation today has been the coaching carousel. I ref with a former fairly senior Naval officer who is close to the program. Firing of their coach was a bit of a surprise (but as my ref friend said...you don't beat Army year after year and your job is at risk). It is a very good job but unclear who will get it. Last time they fired a coach it created a big problem as the alumni and team really liked their coach. Active and vocal alumni and takes a unique coach to do well at Navy. The big up and comers are likely not the guys for this job as they took better jobs (Maryland's head coach was the long time assitant) or bound for head jobs at their program/just comfortable in their programs (Notre Dame assistant, Denver's assistant when Tierney steps down).
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I was gonna say, you led off with "it's a good job" and I was like... Is it? I don't think any of the academy jobs are good or bad, they're just inherently different. The recruiting is brutal, obviously, as these guys are committing to 4 years of school and then 5 years of service. You get special kids, but the pool of the willing is freaking tiny.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 8:37 am I was gonna say, you led off with "it's a good job" and I was like... Is it? I don't think any of the academy jobs are good or bad, they're just inherently different. The recruiting is brutal, obviously, as these guys are committing to 4 years of school and then 5 years of service. You get special kids, but the pool of the willing is freaking tiny.
not a whole lot of d1 head coaching jobs out there.
Good history but no expectation of a national championship..just need to be competitive and better than Army (which means win the conference every few years, don't get crushed by JHU, and don't lose to teams with no/young history).
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so there is a new outdoor pro lacrosse league being led by Paul Rabil and his brother. It will be on NBC Sports. It is player driven and will tour this year (so no home team but a traveling location week to week). They have taken most of the top talent from Major League Lacrosse (which is sort of floundering). But this story is interesting...guy just retired from the NFL and is getting a shot in this super star lacrosse league.

https://www.lacrosseplayground.com/back-to-his-roots/

Also my college coach is head coach of the team with mostly U of MD guys (he coached in the MLL for a bunch of years before jumping to the new league).
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UVA just won their sixth lacrosse title. Pretty impressive recovery from a terrible slump the program found itself in just a few years ago. And their run to the title game was probably as filled with late comebacks as the basketball team's title. But not the title game itself - they pretty much dominated Yale today.
Totally Kafkaesque
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Head coach was my top assistant my lat two years at W&L. Have some funny stories about him. Great guy.
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So the NLL (Pro indoor league) is going to have a regular season game at Orleans Arena in Vegas. The San Diego team has a deal that season ticket holders get 2 nights free lodging as part of the promotion. The NLL already have a team that plays in the Mohegan Sun Casino.
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So we may go to Feb 1 but spring in the mid atlantic start tomorrow with a few games to start the year.

Top teams are still the top teams UVA, Penn State, Yale, and MD are the top 4. B1G also has JHU at 11, Ohio State at 12, Rutgers at 21 and Michigan at 28. ACC also has Duke at 5, ND at 7 , Cuse at 8, and UNC @10. UPenn is the up and coming team at 6 after a good year.
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JHU "have mutually parted" with their head coach. WOW
Dave Pietramala
grad of JHU
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Legend
2 national championships as a coach
good recruiter
strange time to announce this with the 5th year transfer portal being very hot (and 2 top 5th years considering JHU)
has twin boys who are pretty highly regarded recruits who were lining up for JHU
stole a few kids from other programs after commitments (u-19 national teamers)
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Whoaaa!

I was actually thinking he was on the hot seat. It sure feels like the Hop was trending in the wrong direction.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:38 pm Whoaaa!

I was actually thinking he was on the hot seat. It sure feels like the Hop was trending in the wrong direction.
New coach is a guy from Cornell. Played at Gettysburg around my years at W&L. Worked lax camp with him after my first year. Just b got rid of a t-shirt of his that we traded.
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Premier Lacrosse League merges with Major League Lacrosse (friendly way of saying Paul Rabil's 2nd year league just picked up the assets of the floundering 20+ year-old league). Rabil tried to buy out the MLL 3 years ago before starting his competing league. The competing league also created competition with one of his personal sponsors (Warrior which the owner started the MLL) versus league sponsor (Adidas).

Only bummer is the two successful franchises die (Chesapeake Bayhawks--Annapolis and Denver Outlaws). PLL had all of the talent, the sponsorship, social media, and TV. They out executed the other league when COVID hit (smart move realizing they could get TV time that was originally held for Olympic coverage).

Overall good for the outdoor pro game, bad for the MLL pros as they will now be relegated to the club league I used to compete in (PLL adding one team in the merger). Basically only about 5 MLL pros will have a spot in PLL.
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So Yale had 40 of its players not enroll. Roster size of 8. No spring season. The Ivy league has managed to screw up this COVID planning leaving their student athletes hanging. Also the Ivy rule of 8 semesters means none of the kids can go to class unless they want to miss out on a season of a short career. I get not wanting to prioritize sports, but this is unprecedented so telling kids to drop out or transfer as the only options is crazy.
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Denver v. Duke is a great game on the ACC Network right now. Tons of talent. The Covid 5th year transfer has made both these teams loaded.
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Would not have guessed that unranked Bobby Mo v. #1 Duke would end up being the better lacrosse game on TV today. #4 UNC just came out and stomped on #5 Denver from the first whistle. Tierney (Denver's coach) is often a psycho on the sideline. I would not be surprised if destroys the team at practice this week (and threatened to make them run back to campus from the airport...or Chapel Hill).
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(I so badly wanted to start a new thread for that)
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My coach from college is the head coach of the 2x champs (and his top assistant my last 2 years is UVA's head coach).
League has done some very smart things
* TV deal
* TV-friendly rule set (shot clock, shorter field, small rosters, run & gun)
* Great TV production
* Brand focused
* Heavy Social media push at a league level and at a player level. They provide tools for players to work on their brand.
* Super smart bubble plan to take advantage of the lost Olympic tv hours
* NBC Gold subscription plan got more subscribers than anticipated
* Player-friendly policies (sponsorships, equipment, healthcare, etc).
* Deep pocket investors
* Crushing the competition (the story on Rabil trying to get into leadership at MLL, buy the league etc is an interesting tale before breaking away)

Things they have done wrong
* Attendance in year 1 was not great except at a few venues (Hopkins)
* A bit too much Paul Rabil at the expense of some great players and great story lines (Rabil had a terrible year 2 and just got traded)
* Losing some MLL teams that were rock solid with rock solid ownership/investors (Bayhawks in Annapolis)
* A bit too much "soccer" feel on game day production
* Pretend the touring model is this new innovative thing (one of their players was a founder of the LXM tour that had that model and the Big3 figured this out before).

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This college season isn't making much sense.

UVA beat Army 14-9
In Army's next game, they beat Syracuse 18-11 (after trailing 6-1)
In Syracuse's next game, they beat UVA 20-10
Totally Kafkaesque
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Shirley wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:29 pm This college season isn't making much sense.

UVA beat Army 14-9
In Army's next game, they beat Syracuse 18-11 (after trailing 6-1)
In Syracuse's next game, they beat UVA 20-10
Watched a bunch of the games this year and am not surprised.
Cuse is better than Army. But Army just physically beat the pulp out of them. Every groundball, man-to-man d, etc. Just better athletes.
Cuse and UVA are similar teams and the Cuse just executed. UVA threw the ball all over the carrier dome and could not buy a save (note: UVAs goalie missed the first several games).

Duke is VERY Good, UNC is VERY good. Maryland is VERY Good. Rutgers is the non-traditional team that got good this year. The two brothers who transferred in (dad went to Rutgers) are making a difference.

Strange but JHU is not very good. No real practices in the fall, new coaching staff, and just not as athletic. Michigan will be the doormat of the B1G again.

Without an Ivy league it will be an ACC and B1G dominated year.

D2 has had some upsets already...that is a growing division. Especially in the South.
D3 is waiting on 2 conferences to decide if they are playing. If NESCAC and Centennial don't go the title will be won by Salisbury.....and if they do go the title will be won by Salisbury
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Hopkins could soon turn into the Nebraska of college lacrosse. They rode a wave when they were the big fish and now they've got to recruit against a bunch of schools that have a lot more to offer in terms of campus life. Past glory and a high ranking in the academic rankings aren't going to cut it anymore.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:34 pm Hopkins could soon turn into the Nebraska of college lacrosse. They rode a wave when they were the big fish and now they've got to recruit against a bunch of schools that have a lot more to offer in terms of campus life. Past glory and a high ranking in the academic rankings aren't going to cut it anymore.
Also a school leadership that wants to be national champs. I like the coach but forcing Petro out cost JHU some of the top recruits (3 of which were coaches sons and another was son of a great friend of Petro). Not sure if the new coach was top choice but there are lots of names I expected to see before him. Especially for this job.
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I forgot that the Ivies were out. Doesn't much matter for most sports, but it does for lacrosse. And some of their best players immediately transferred to other schools, didn't they?
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Shirley wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:25 pm I forgot that the Ivies were out. Doesn't much matter for most sports, but it does for lacrosse. And some of their best players immediately transferred to other schools, didn't they?
Most of the Ivys were the 5th year grad thing. But will be interesting to see what happens with the current teams. There are some super teams from transfers (MD, Duke, Denver jump to the top of my mind).

Duke got Sowers from Princeton (but that was a fifth year thing)...he was probably the best player in the country last year. I think they got Phil Robertson from Princeton too.
Denver also picked up 2 from Yale including Jackson Morrill (Father won two national lacrosse championships at Johns Hopkins and was a 2016 inductee to the US Lacrosse Hall of Fame… Great grandfather, Kelso Morrill, and grandfather, Bill Morrill, are also in the hall of fame and JHU grads… Only family with three generations in US Lacrosse Hall of Fame… Mom played lacrosse at Dartmouth)
T.D. Ierlan who is the best faceoff person in the country was at Yale (started at Albany) is going to end up in Denver..not sure if that will be this season or next.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:34 pm Hopkins could soon turn into the Nebraska of college lacrosse. They rode a wave when they were the big fish and now they've got to recruit against a bunch of schools that have a lot more to offer in terms of campus life. Past glory and a high ranking in the academic rankings aren't going to cut it anymore.
A massive portion of the Syracuse lacrosse fanbase still has expectations like it's the late 1980's. They don't understand why they've only made one Final Four the last decade and want to dump the coach who has a better winning percentage and as many rings as the two legends who came before him combined.
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DSafetyGuy wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:33 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:34 pm Hopkins could soon turn into the Nebraska of college lacrosse. They rode a wave when they were the big fish and now they've got to recruit against a bunch of schools that have a lot more to offer in terms of campus life. Past glory and a high ranking in the academic rankings aren't going to cut it anymore.
A massive portion of the Syracuse lacrosse fanbase still has expectations like it's the late 1980's. They don't understand why they've only made one Final Four the last decade and want to dump the coach who has a better winning percentage and as many rings as the two legends who came before him combined.
That's when I was introduced to the sport and those Cuse - Hopkins games were epic. Watching the Gaits was both infuriating and exhilarating. Frankly I was at Hopkins when they kind of dipped a bit. They got bounced in the second round a bunch (after a first round bye.)
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DSafetyGuy wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:33 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:34 pm Hopkins could soon turn into the Nebraska of college lacrosse. They rode a wave when they were the big fish and now they've got to recruit against a bunch of schools that have a lot more to offer in terms of campus life. Past glory and a high ranking in the academic rankings aren't going to cut it anymore.
A massive portion of the Syracuse lacrosse fanbase still has expectations like it's the late 1980's. They don't understand why they've only made one Final Four the last decade and want to dump the coach who has a better winning percentage and as many rings as the two legends who came before him combined.
Cuse used to book their final four rooms the day after Memorial day.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:52 pm
DSafetyGuy wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:33 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:34 pm Hopkins could soon turn into the Nebraska of college lacrosse. They rode a wave when they were the big fish and now they've got to recruit against a bunch of schools that have a lot more to offer in terms of campus life. Past glory and a high ranking in the academic rankings aren't going to cut it anymore.
A massive portion of the Syracuse lacrosse fanbase still has expectations like it's the late 1980's. They don't understand why they've only made one Final Four the last decade and want to dump the coach who has a better winning percentage and as many rings as the two legends who came before him combined.
That's when I was introduced to the sport and those Cuse - Hopkins games were epic. Watching the Gaits was both infuriating and exhilarating. Frankly I was at Hopkins when they kind of dipped a bit. They got bounced in the second round a bunch (after a first round bye.)
That last part sounds very familiar, except they don't get the bye any more. They were remarkably successful from when there were a much smaller number of schools playing and that run of success simply can't be duplicated as the sport has grown. Of course, the average dolt in the stands thinks they're supposed to win every game because of the name on the jersey.
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DSafetyGuy wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:45 am
Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:52 pm
DSafetyGuy wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:33 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:34 pm Hopkins could soon turn into the Nebraska of college lacrosse. They rode a wave when they were the big fish and now they've got to recruit against a bunch of schools that have a lot more to offer in terms of campus life. Past glory and a high ranking in the academic rankings aren't going to cut it anymore.
A massive portion of the Syracuse lacrosse fanbase still has expectations like it's the late 1980's. They don't understand why they've only made one Final Four the last decade and want to dump the coach who has a better winning percentage and as many rings as the two legends who came before him combined.
That's when I was introduced to the sport and those Cuse - Hopkins games were epic. Watching the Gaits was both infuriating and exhilarating. Frankly I was at Hopkins when they kind of dipped a bit. They got bounced in the second round a bunch (after a first round bye.)
That last part sounds very familiar, except they don't get the bye any more. They were remarkably successful from when there were a much smaller number of schools playing and that run of success simply can't be duplicated as the sport has grown. Of course, the average dolt in the stands thinks they're supposed to win every game because of the name on the jersey.
Yup way more talent available..poor early recruiting under JHU's prior coach hurt the team while some big athletes who went to other places. Also high school laxer comparing UVA, Duke, UNC, Notre Dame, OSU, Penn State to JHU is a tough one to win. See this big campus with all of these pretty people and big time D1 sports versus Lacrosse is the big time sport on our campus but lots of students find hanging out in the library cool (b.t.w. my dad was JHU undergrad and Med school and was one of those hang out in the library on dates with my mom type people). But that excuse only goes so far when you have Harvard, Penn, Yale, and Cornell getting very good (and Princeton starting to pickup again).
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Would have picked UVA to beat up on High Point but a 1 goal win for the Cavs.
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Hopkins with a pretty massive upset tonight in the B1G tourney tonight, beating a very talented (and "seasoned") Rutgers squad.

The most storied rivalry in lax reunites on SAT for the championship.

(Should be a blood bath, as Hop was the lowest seed in an "everyone gets in" tourney seeding.)
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 9:05 pm Hopkins with a pretty massive upset tonight in the B1G tourney tonight, beating a very talented (and "seasoned") Rutgers squad.

The most storied rivalry in lax reunites on SAT for the championship.

(Should be a blood bath, as Hop was the lowest seed in an "everyone gets in" tourney seeding.)
JHU almost took down MD 2 weeks ago. The Jays are getting better. Switched goalies and playing the youngins at midfield. This team lost a ton of games due to not having a fall ball with a new coach and short preseason.

Maryland is a great team and has a great coach and the best player in the country...but Jays get a fighting chance of they win the faceoffs and hold Bernhardt.
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Lots of allegations that these two items are strongly related:



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What the fuck?

That's not the lax bro mentality I encountered back in the day.

Would love to know more of the backstory here. Good fucking job to those players!!
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 12:32 pm What the fuck?

That's not the lax bro mentality I encountered back in the day.

Would love to know more of the backstory here. Good fucking job to those players!!
Here's the shorthand (and probably incomplete):

Scanlan, team's leader in goals scored, got suspended indefinitely in late April, missing one game. The coach alone decided he was lifting the suspension, to which the team responded by threatening to walk out of practice. Coach and players hashed things out with mutual respect in both directions. Scanlan practiced by himself under the supervision of a member of the coaching staff.

The scuttlebutt is that Scanlan had transferred to SU from Loyola after getting into a domestic situation with his then-girlfriend, his current girlfriend plays lacrosse at SU, and the words "broken ribs" came up.

The coach had his normal mid-week press conference prior to the Notre Dame game last week, which went very poorly because he can't say anything due to privacy laws and no one wants to actually talk about the upcoming game with this mess going on.
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