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Post by Joe K » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:20 pm

brian wrote:So I don’t watch the NBA but are the Pistons for real or is this smoke and mirrors?

Probably somewhere in between. I'd be shocked if they finish as the #2 seed or win ~55 games (their current pace), but they should be a playoff team. They've been helped a lot by Drummond's FT shooting improvement -- even making 60%, as opposed to his customary 40%, makes him much more valuable -- and the addition of Avery Bradley. The Celtics got rid of Bradley to clear salary space for Hayward, but he's a very good player who has been solid for the Pistons.

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Post by blundercrush » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:55 pm

Joe K wrote:
brian wrote:So I don’t watch the NBA but are the Pistons for real or is this smoke and mirrors?

Probably somewhere in between. I'd be shocked if they finish as the #2 seed or win ~55 games (their current pace), but they should be a playoff team. They've been helped a lot by Drummond's FT shooting improvement -- even making 60%, as opposed to his customary 40%, makes him much more valuable -- and the addition of Avery Bradley. The Celtics got rid of Bradley to clear salary space for Hayward, but he's a very good player who has been solid for the Pistons.


Tobias Harris is also a real player. Him + Avery Bradley help fill out a starting 5 that is not a complete garbage fire.

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Just saw a friend from college who I feel out of contact with get re-tweeted by Howard Beck and saw that he has a shop for his t-shirt designs, mostly for the NBA.

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The Durant Durant shirt is legit.
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The Washington G-league (formerly d-league) team got a name....The Capitol City Go Gos.

I know Gogo is a DC thing but that is a terrible name. If you wanted a SE DC thing I would have focused on Mumbo Sauce.

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Post by DC47 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:48 pm

blundercrush wrote:
Joe K wrote:
brian wrote:So I don’t watch the NBA but are the Pistons for real or is this smoke and mirrors?

Probably somewhere in between. I'd be shocked if they finish as the #2 seed or win ~55 games (their current pace), but they should be a playoff team. They've been helped a lot by Drummond's FT shooting improvement -- even making 60%, as opposed to his customary 40%, makes him much more valuable -- and the addition of Avery Bradley. The Celtics got rid of Bradley to clear salary space for Hayward, but he's a very good player who has been solid for the Pistons.


Tobias Harris is also a real player. Him + Avery Bradley help fill out a starting 5 that is not a complete garbage fire.


Last season everything that could go bad, did. This season, so far, the opposite. Younger veteran players -- Harris and Jackson in particular -- are developing nicely, and Bradley is changing the formerly pathetic defensive focus. The obvious number one factor is Andre Drummond being possessed by the spirit of Moses Malone. In a weak East, this could all be good for an above-average record and some hope for the future.

And of course, the above number one factor is the total absence of Josh Smith. I only hope that he has a long-term contract in Kryzigstan or Guangzhou with a team owned by a mobster who will kill him if he tries to get on a plane for Detroit.

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Post by HaulCitgo » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:59 pm

Gordon Hayward is going to suit up for playoffs...

http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4726331/ainge-hayward-close-to-shedding-walking-boot-as-rehab-begins

So they get the cap exemption AND the player. Pretty nice deal so long as Ainge uses it before Hayward re-starts training camp a couple weeks before playoffs.


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Post by Joe K » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:12 pm

If be very surprised if Hayward plays this year. At a minimum, the team doctors would have to be very confident that there's no risk of aggravation. Let's face it, no one's beating a healthy Warriors* this year, so it's not the year to take injury risks.

*Yes, I know the Celtics won the matchup earlier this year. But the Warriors have another gear for the postseason, and good luck getting Curry to shoot that poorly 4 times in a series.

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Post by mister d » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:28 pm

I don't know how anyone who's had that injury ever attempts a jump again.
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Post by HaulCitgo » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:30 pm

Definitely agree on the docs but the timeline for broken bones seems a lot faster than ligament issues. The team is 22-4 without him so I dont think they need to be SO worried about his future. Id roll the dice with a low reinjury risk instead of waiting on zero risk. I get that the team has hundreds of millions invested but a finals run through the East (or even another L to Cleveland) would be a large benefit to the 18-19 team. As for the Warriors, thats just the wrong way to look at it. You cant assume you get beat and not bother trying. They can win at home. They can shut them down completely on offense. Will it happen 4/7 times, probably not... but a playoff injury is more likely than not, just a matter of which player and how long. Totally worth it

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Post by A_B » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:02 pm

HaulCitgo wrote:Definitely agree on the docs but the timeline for broken bones seems a lot faster than ligament issues. The team is 22-4 without him so I dont think they need to be SO worried about his future. Id roll the dice with a low reinjury risk instead of waiting on zero risk. I get that the team has hundreds of millions invested but a finals run through the East (or even another L to Cleveland) would be a large benefit to the 18-19 team. As for the Warriors, thats just the wrong way to look at it. You cant assume you get beat and not bother trying. They can win at home. They can shut them down completely on offense. Will it happen 4/7 times, probably not... but a playoff injury is more likely than not, just a matter of which player and how long. Totally worth it


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Post by HaulCitgo » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:06 pm

Nah, I didnt forget... but ill still refrain from a snarky brontoism

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Post by Joe K » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:51 am

The Rockets are now 10-0 in games where Chris Paul has played, after their big comeback last night. For the questions about whether Paul could fit in with Harden, it seems to be working really well. Paul's scoring and turnovers are down playing with a ball-dominant SG, but all his other numbers (assists, shooting %, rebounds, steals) are comparable to the stats he put up on the Clippers. And the Rockets are the only other team besides the Warriors that's top-5 in both offensive and defensive efficiency. I still have a very hard time seeing anyone winning a series against Golden State, but the Rockets are probably their biggest (and perhaps only) threat.

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Post by DC47 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:04 am

I think the Rockets are a very real threat. I wonder how they can defend the Warriors. They're going to have to do something surprising on that end to have a strong chance.

Of course, any kind of injury to a rotation player throws everything up in the air. No one is deeper in stars who can turn it up than the Warriors, but I think they'd be in trouble as well.

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Post by Joe K » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:13 am

DC47 wrote:I think the Rockets are a very real threat. I wonder how they can defend the Warriors. They're going to have to do something surprising on that end to have a strong chance.

Of course, any kind of injury to a rotation player throws everything up in the air. No one is deeper in stars who can turn it up than the Warriors, but I think they'd be in trouble as well.

The Rockets have several athletic wing defenders (Ariza, Tucker, M'bah Moute) and Paul is an excellent defensive PG. But what sets the Warriors apart from everyone else, besides their sheer star power, is that their best defensive lineups are also their best offensive lineups. Golden State's best defensive players (Green, Durant and Iguodala) are certainly much stronger offensively than the Rockets' wing stoppers.

The asymmetry between offensive and defensive players is also what kills Cleveland against Golden State. Their best offensive lineups involve LeBron surrounded by shooters like Love, Korver, and Frye. But those aforementioned shooters all struggle on defense against Golden State.

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Post by tennbengal » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:09 pm

Burneko at Deadspin w/ a compelling overview of just how minutes abusive Thibs is being in Minnesota...:

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Post by Rex » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:53 pm

Why is everyone booing Paul George? He didn't even play at Trinidad & Tobago.

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Post by HaulCitgo » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:14 pm

I can only hope they are doing that in MLS.

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Post by Joe K » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:44 pm

It's pretty funny that after Woj and Deadspin made a big deal about how it was oh so unfair that the Sixers weren't playing Jahlil Okafor that he's now racked up 4 straight DNP-CDs with the Nets.

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Post by Rex » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:15 pm

I was wondering about that, thought maybe he was rehabbing or something. What was the point of getting him then? Kinda wish that he had gotten shipped to the Hawks, to give Bud a side project to keep him interested while his team tanks.

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Post by Joe K » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:34 pm

Rex wrote:I was wondering about that, thought maybe he was rehabbing or something. What was the point of getting him then? Kinda wish that he had gotten shipped to the Hawks, to give Bud a side project to keep him interested while his team tanks.

Not sure why the Nets made the trade, because they haven the played Stauskas either. Maybe they liked the second round pick? The thing that Woj and Deadspin ignored about Okafor is that for today's NBA he's not only way worse than Embiid but also worse than Amir Johnson and Richaun Holmes. So there was never any reason to think that his marginalization in Philly was for non-basketball reasons. But Woj probably uses Okafor's agent as a source and Deadspin has been beating an anti-Sixers drum for years and needed to pick a new angle after some of their other takes aged horribly.

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Post by Rex » Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:53 am

This might be a problem:

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Post by Brontoburglar » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:35 am

Rex wrote:This might be a problem:

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we now get every Thunder game in KC, so I've watched way too many of their games so far. I'm convinced that once they start making shots they won't nearly be as frustrating, but they're also committing random turnovers and weird errors at inopportune times as well.

I think they have to go all-in with the team this season and not trade George, but they're a weird team. and even if they put it all together, will be no better than third-best in the West anyway.
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Post by Joe K » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:43 am

Melo and Russ are also the bottom 2 on that list in True Shooting Percentage, which factors the value of 3s and free throws into shooting efficiency. The Thunder have actually been a really good defensive team and their struggles are pretty much all attributable to the stars' offensive struggles. Combine that with the big spike in efficiency for Oladipo and Sabonis after getting traded to Indiana, and I am here for the Westbrook hot takes (even though I think Bronto's reaction is the accurate one).

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Post by A_B » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:44 pm

Really don't understand why the Cavs-Warriors game is the 300 game on Christmas day, especially with it being in Oakland. Seems like that's a lot of people gonna ditch lunch to either go or watch the game. And there's and all east-coast match up just waiting to be in that slot in Celts-Wiz.
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Post by Giff » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:50 pm

Rockets are first team ever to enter 4th quarter down 5 and win by 20+. They were down 91-83 with 9:00 left and won 120-99.
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Post by Joe K » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:26 am

It took ten years and countless injuries, but my strong opinion that Michael Beasley would be a better NBA player than Derrick Rose is finally coming true. For a long time, that was in the running for my all-time most wrong sports prediction.

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Post by Johnnie » Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:45 pm

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Post by Ryan » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:27 am

Random stat - Of every season in which a player had more rebounds per game than points per game, Andre Drummond's last two seasons have the highest PPG of anyone else in the last 45 years.

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Post by Ryan » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:26 pm

Good game

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Post by HaulCitgo » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:53 pm

Yea Marcus smart made up for some of those missed jumpers.

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Post by DC47 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:20 am

Pistons rocking. Still no sign of Josh Smith.

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Post by Giff » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:36 pm

Ryan wrote:Good game


I get it's the NBA and all, but how do you miss 5 traveling calls in 2 minutes.
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Post by mister d » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:13 pm

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Post by Joe K » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:35 am

DC47 wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:20 am
Pistons rocking. Still no sign of Josh Smith.
Tobias Harris deserves MVP votes for posting this video to Instagram:


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Post by Joe K » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:26 am

In less humorous NBA news, I remain perplexed by Ty Lue trying to beat the Warriors by playing a high scoring game in the 120s. The Cavs played well for 3+ quarters last night and the game was tied 93-all early in the 4th. But that'll rarely be sustainable for 4 quarters, and you're never going to beat Golden State in a 7-game series by playing shootouts. That was true last year and is even more true now.

The only chance they have, and admittedly it's a very slim one at that, is using the types of slowdown efforts that David Blatt used in the 2015 Finals after Kyrie got hurt. That team did a number of things like taking a few extra seconds to inbound the ball, using longer possessions, etc., and was able to get the Warriors out of their offensive rhythm for at least a few games. Boston similarly was able to turn their game against the Warriors into a rock fight in the game they won earlier this season. It's such an obvious strategy to me because in any possession-based sport, the heavy underdog should want to play a lower possession game to increase variance -- and a slower game might also allow LeBron to play even heavier minutes in a playoff series. If the Cavs keep trying to play shootouts, they have a better chance of getting swept in a series than of winning even 2 games.

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Post by A_B » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:40 am

MIssing 15 of 16 shots at one point after it was 93 all wasn't a good idea either. Some weren't good shots, but many were fine looks. Frustrating because it looked like the Cavs were engaged.
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Post by Joe K » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:32 am

A_B wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:40 am
MIssing 15 of 16 shots at one point after it was 93 all wasn't a good idea either. Some weren't good shots, but many were fine looks. Frustrating because it looked like the Cavs were engaged.
Going 1-16 is pretty extreme but I also think it’s a product of just how hard it is to sustain a high level of play against the Warriors for 4 quarters of a fast-paced game. There were some games in last year’s Finals where LeBron was unbelievable for 2-3 quarters but seemed to wear down late.

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