The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)

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My working theories:

1. They know their client(s) are guilty as hell and are throwing everything at the wall they can ahead of time to help muddle things in terms of PR and spin (something Trump and minions are also doing)

2. They are incompetent


I am pretty sure it's 1. 1 also makes sense if they really do buy into the notion that their client is above the law. And that is absolutely an open quesiton at this point...
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In terms of 2, Preet had a special out yesterday, and there was kind of a throwaway comment that is relevant. I guess Dowd was defending someone in NY and Preet pretty much said he spent a lot of time and energy throwing out ridiculous and nonsensical statements... That his obstruction of justice comments were par for the course.

I just don't see a lot of value in stirring up so much shit. But I've been saying that about Trump from Day 1.
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Maybe these lawyers believe in the adage that you don't read your publicity - you weigh it. Being on TV probably a good way to drum up business.
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Nonlinear FC wrote:In terms of 2, Preet had a special out yesterday, and there was kind of a throwaway comment that is relevant. I guess Dowd was defending someone in NY and Preet pretty much said he spent a lot of time and energy throwing out ridiculous and nonsensical statements... That his obstruction of justice comments were par for the course.

I just don't see a lot of value in stirring up so much shit. But I've been saying that about Trump from Day 1.


I listened to that podcast also. He has a great pod, one of my favorites
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tennbengal wrote:My working theories:

1. They know their client(s) are guilty as hell and are throwing everything at the wall they can ahead of time to help muddle things in terms of PR and spin (something Trump and minions are also doing)

2. They are incompetent


I am pretty sure it's 1. 1 also makes sense if they really do buy into the notion that their client is above the law. And that is absolutely an open quesiton at this point...


I think it takes a special person to represent Trump. A normal attorney wouldn't go near him, knowing the disaster of trying to prevent him from tweeting incriminating comments, bragging about committing crimes and just generally being an asshole of historic proportions, and his long history of not paying people for services. From what I've seen, the guys representing Trump are all egotistical assholes thrilled at the attention, or sycophants who worship Trump. We've already seen Kasowitz go off on an e-mailed lunatic rant threatening some guy. A lot of the people Trump surrounds himself with have enormous senses of entitlement and think they are untouchable. Look at the shit Mannafort pulled ghost writing an OpEd, or Mnuchin and his wife flaunting themselves. These people have no self awareness, or just don't give a fuck.
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The Sybian wrote:
tennbengal wrote:My working theories:

1. They know their client(s) are guilty as hell and are throwing everything at the wall they can ahead of time to help muddle things in terms of PR and spin (something Trump and minions are also doing)

2. They are incompetent


I am pretty sure it's 1. 1 also makes sense if they really do buy into the notion that their client is above the law. And that is absolutely an open quesiton at this point...


I think it takes a special person to represent Trump. A normal attorney wouldn't go near him, knowing the disaster of trying to prevent him from tweeting incriminating comments, bragging about committing crimes and just generally being an asshole of historic proportions, and his long history of not paying people for services. From what I've seen, the guys representing Trump are all egotistical assholes thrilled at the attention, or sycophants who worship Trump. We've already seen Kasowitz go off on an e-mailed lunatic rant threatening some guy. A lot of the people Trump surrounds himself with have enormous senses of entitlement and think they are untouchable. Look at the shit Mannafort pulled ghost writing an OpEd, or Mnuchin and his wife flaunting themselves. These people have no self awareness, or just don't give a fuck.


Lawyers that have worked for Trump in the past had agreed to never meet with the man one on one. Only with other lawyers present.

That's some ripe shit right there.
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The Sybian wrote:
tennbengal wrote:My working theories:

1. They know their client(s) are guilty as hell and are throwing everything at the wall they can ahead of time to help muddle things in terms of PR and spin (something Trump and minions are also doing)

2. They are incompetent


I am pretty sure it's 1. 1 also makes sense if they really do buy into the notion that their client is above the law. And that is absolutely an open quesiton at this point...


I think it takes a special person to represent Trump. A normal attorney wouldn't go near him, knowing the disaster of trying to prevent him from tweeting incriminating comments, bragging about committing crimes and just generally being an asshole of historic proportions, and his long history of not paying people for services. From what I've seen, the guys representing Trump are all egotistical assholes thrilled at the attention, or sycophants who worship Trump. We've already seen Kasowitz go off on an e-mailed lunatic rant threatening some guy. A lot of the people Trump surrounds himself with have enormous senses of entitlement and think they are untouchable. Look at the shit Mannafort pulled ghost writing an OpEd, or Mnuchin and his wife flaunting themselves. These people have no self awareness, or just don't give a fuck.


But Kasowitz is the name partner at a very prestigious law firm that represents many Fortune 500 clients. I don't think it's fair to not call him a "normal" attorney.
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Giff wrote:
The Sybian wrote:
tennbengal wrote:My working theories:

1. They know their client(s) are guilty as hell and are throwing everything at the wall they can ahead of time to help muddle things in terms of PR and spin (something Trump and minions are also doing)

2. They are incompetent


I am pretty sure it's 1. 1 also makes sense if they really do buy into the notion that their client is above the law. And that is absolutely an open quesiton at this point...


I think it takes a special person to represent Trump. A normal attorney wouldn't go near him, knowing the disaster of trying to prevent him from tweeting incriminating comments, bragging about committing crimes and just generally being an asshole of historic proportions, and his long history of not paying people for services. From what I've seen, the guys representing Trump are all egotistical assholes thrilled at the attention, or sycophants who worship Trump. We've already seen Kasowitz go off on an e-mailed lunatic rant threatening some guy. A lot of the people Trump surrounds himself with have enormous senses of entitlement and think they are untouchable. Look at the shit Mannafort pulled ghost writing an OpEd, or Mnuchin and his wife flaunting themselves. These people have no self awareness, or just don't give a fuck.


But Kasowitz is the name partner at a very prestigious law firm that represents many Fortune 500 clients. I don't think it's fair to not call him a "normal" attorney.


I'm very aware of his law firm, I'm saying his personality isn't normal. A lot of the biggest names in the legal profession are lunatics. You kind of have to be in order to reach that level of success. It requires an enormous ego to work the hours required to achieve those levels. It requires a lust for money, power, prestige or whatever else that few possess. Most of the attorneys that hit that level royal fuck over colleagues, clients, opposing counsel... to achieve their success. Not all, but a lot. There are some honest geniuses who love their work, or got a lucky break, or the right mentor or whatever. Kasowitz is an egotistical maniac with no morals, and he is very similar to Trump in a lot of ways.
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Avram wrote:
Nonlinear FC wrote:In terms of 2, Preet had a special out yesterday, and there was kind of a throwaway comment that is relevant. I guess Dowd was defending someone in NY and Preet pretty much said he spent a lot of time and energy throwing out ridiculous and nonsensical statements... That his obstruction of justice comments were par for the course.

I just don't see a lot of value in stirring up so much shit. But I've been saying that about Trump from Day 1.


I listened to that podcast also. He has a great pod, one of my favorites
Is this the same Dowd of the Dwod report in the Pete Rose suspension with MLB?


I've read that yes, he is.
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Shirley wrote:
Brontoburglar wrote:this kind of shit is why I typically don't talk about college football here. there's very limited upside. pretty clear I need to apply that rule to media stuff now too.

anyway, back to the topic at hand.



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Brontoburglar wrote:
Shirley wrote:
Brontoburglar wrote:this kind of shit is why I typically don't talk about college football here. there's very limited upside. pretty clear I need to apply that rule to media stuff now too.

anyway, back to the topic at hand.



Congratulations for the most condescending Swamp post in years. Please stop depriving us of your unassailable opinions on college football, journalism and NASCAR. We promise we'll never debate any of your points or fail to grant you benefit of the doubt for opinions you didn't otherwise express.


Congratulations for missing the fucking point


And to be completely clear on that, not posting about something because it may not be professionally prudent vs. thinking that your opinions are better than others are not mutually exclusive points.

But it's clearly condescending if I don't point that out. And to be clear, my post was referencing the former and not the latter.

ETA: I am not even sure how my opinion got brought into this anyway. I tried to explain what I thought happened and yet here we are. Hence why I said there was limited upside -- I tried to provide a window into something and yet despite making it obvious I wasn't offering an opinion, it was interpreted that I was.
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Brontoburglar wrote:ETA: I am not even sure how my opinion got brought into this anyway.


It was probably around the time you typed it in the thread.
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A_B wrote:Johnnie might be best suited for this answer...but what the fuck was with the whole South Korea show off our army exercise thing? Is that a thing we do? Or was that Trump flexing on NK?


Pretty sure stuff like this goes on regularly. I heard a South Korean military spokesperson on the radio this morning saying, "we are the military, we do training exercising. It's what we do." Is there a motive in making a show about it? Probably, but I don't think this is a sign of an imminent attack.

Yes, we're always exercising everywhere all the time. But when we exercise in South Korea, we swing our dicks at the same time.

In my year there we had a B-52 show of force and a B2 flanked by 2 F22s. And there are exercises quarterly that simulate war and chemical weapons being used. They used to be monthly back in the day, but that has been scaled back.
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Shirley wrote:
Brontoburglar wrote:ETA: I am not even sure how my opinion got brought into this anyway.


It was probably around the time you typed it in the thread.


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For all the handwringing, wailing and gnashing of teeth, reminder that Donald Trump remains the most unpopular president in American history.
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Is this latest email revelation (email to DT Jr with a purported encryption key) really significant, or just smoke?

I read the CNN article, and I can't decide.

It's evidence that the Trump campaign failed to go to the FBI when they at least potentially came into information about a federal crime and a subversion of the electoral process - but the public has apparently decided to let the standard be "active collusion" instead.

But something about it doesn't feel right as far as whether it's really evidence of any wrongdoing apart from that. It almost looks like the kind of leak designed to discredit the investigation.
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Someone else must be writing Trump's tweets today. They are in complete sentences with perfect punctuation.
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Steve of phpBB wrote:Is this latest email revelation (email to DT Jr with a purported encryption key) really significant, or just smoke?u

I read the CNN article, and I can't decide.

It's evidence that the Trump campaign failed to go to the FBI when they at least potentially came into information about a federal crime and a subversion of the electoral process - but the public has apparently decided to let the standard be "active collusion" instead.

But something about it doesn't feel right as far as whether it's really evidence of any wrongdoing apart from that. It almost looks like the kind of leak designed to discredit the investigation.

From the Wahington Post:
A 2016 email sent to President Trump and top aides pointed the campaign to hacked documents from the Democratic National Committee that had already been made public by the group WikiLeaks a day earlier.

The email — sent the afternoon of Sept. 14, 2016 — noted that “Wikileaks has uploaded another (huge 678 mb) archive of files from the DNC” and included a link and a “decryption key,” according to a copy obtained by The Washington Post.

The writer, who said his name was Michael J. Erickson and described himself as the president of an aviation management company, sent the message to the then-Republican nominee as well as his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., and other top advisers.

The day before, WikiLeaks had tweeted links to what the group said was 678.4 megabytes of DNC documents.


Yet another example of a media outlet, in this case CNN, sensationalizing its reporting on Russia issues.
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Joe K wrote:
Steve of phpBB wrote:Is this latest email revelation (email to DT Jr with a purported encryption key) really significant, or just smoke?u

I read the CNN article, and I can't decide.

It's evidence that the Trump campaign failed to go to the FBI when they at least potentially came into information about a federal crime and a subversion of the electoral process - but the public has apparently decided to let the standard be "active collusion" instead.

But something about it doesn't feel right as far as whether it's really evidence of any wrongdoing apart from that. It almost looks like the kind of leak designed to discredit the investigation.

From the Wahington Post:
A 2016 email sent to President Trump and top aides pointed the campaign to hacked documents from the Democratic National Committee that had already been made public by the group WikiLeaks a day earlier.

The email — sent the afternoon of Sept. 14, 2016 — noted that “Wikileaks has uploaded another (huge 678 mb) archive of files from the DNC” and included a link and a “decryption key,” according to a copy obtained by The Washington Post.

The writer, who said his name was Michael J. Erickson and described himself as the president of an aviation management company, sent the message to the then-Republican nominee as well as his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., and other top advisers.

The day before, WikiLeaks had tweeted links to what the group said was 678.4 megabytes of DNC documents.


Yet another example of a media outlet, in this case CNN, sensationalizing its reporting on Russia issues.


Whoa. That's your take? It's an example of CNN fucking up badly (or being rolled). But shit, every aspect of this Russia thing is pretty damned sensational already. So I don't get the "sensationalizing" angle, unless you're actively trying to downplay some pretty serious shit.

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Am I right that the distinction here seems to be if the information was sent directly to the Trump family from Wikileaks vs. the fact they could have basically downloaded it themselves like every other person on the planet?
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brian wrote:Am I right that the distinction here seems to be if the information was sent directly to the Trump family from Wikileaks vs. the fact they could have basically downloaded it themselves like every other person on the planet?


The timing is the big deal. CNN reported that the email was sent Sept 4, when Wikileaks apparently hadn't released the stolen emails yet. But apparently the email was Sept 14, when they were publicly available and anyone could've sent a link to them.

(I think.)
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Steve of phpBB wrote:
brian wrote:Am I right that the distinction here seems to be if the information was sent directly to the Trump family from Wikileaks vs. the fact they could have basically downloaded it themselves like every other person on the planet?


The timing is the big deal. CNN reported that the email was sent Sept 4, when Wikileaks apparently hadn't released the stolen emails yet. But apparently the email was Sept 14, when they were publicly available and anyone could've sent a link to them.

(I think.)

Yes, that's correct. And that's why I think that CNN reporting the story in a blaring headline is over-sensationalizing it.
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I count three separate demeaning sexual innuendos here.

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Joe K wrote:
Steve of phpBB wrote:
brian wrote:Am I right that the distinction here seems to be if the information was sent directly to the Trump family from Wikileaks vs. the fact they could have basically downloaded it themselves like every other person on the planet?


The timing is the big deal. CNN reported that the email was sent Sept 4, when Wikileaks apparently hadn't released the stolen emails yet. But apparently the email was Sept 14, when they were publicly available and anyone could've sent a link to them.

(I think.)

Yes, that's correct. And that's why I think that CNN reporting the story in a blaring headline is over-sensationalizing it.



Just wanted to circle back and agree, as difficult as it is, that there's a real credibility problem for the mainstream press right now. (duh)

A lot of that is manufactured indignation by the RW, but it doesn't help when you have Brian Ross, CNN, NBC and others fucking up significant stories. While Bradlee, Woodward, Bernstein and the Post certainly were "wrong" and then later proven correct, overall the efforts by Nixon and his staff to tear down the entire thing didn't work because they kept to the facts, making sure they had sourced things.

These days, I don't trust any sensational story until I've got at least 2 very credible outlets confirming it. Eveyone's going too fast in this environment. I got reminded of this rule with the Ross story.
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Pruitt wrote:I count three separate demeaning sexual innuendos here.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 2053053441


Yeah, that's really something.

Legit question for folks from New York - does Gillibrand have a reputation for being a lightweight? Or is that just pure bullshit along with the rest of Trump's stuff?
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I'm not from New York, but my take on her rep from reading a bit over the last year was as a workhorse, not a showhorse.
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Also, I don't know how I'm going to take three more years of this.
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Over the last few weeks I've gotten active-aggressive to Trump fans on social media, calling them stupid, cowards, morally bankrupt, and complicit in child rape. It's actually been good to blow off my anger.
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L-Jam3 wrote:Over the last few weeks I've gotten active-aggressive to Trump fans on social media, calling them stupid, cowards, morally bankrupt, and complicit in child rape. It's actually been good to blow off my anger.


I blocked/unfriended literally almost every Trumpkin after the inauguration. Maybe I should have stayed friends on FB and just berated them as well. Doesn't sound like a healthy idea, but might be helpful mentally.
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L-Jam3 wrote:Over the last few weeks I've gotten active-aggressive to Trump fans on social media, calling them stupid, cowards, morally bankrupt, and complicit in child rape. It's actually been good to blow off my anger.


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L-Jam3 wrote:Over the last few weeks I've gotten active-aggressive to Trump fans on social media, calling them stupid, cowards, morally bankrupt, and complicit in child rape. It's actually been good to blow off my anger.


I blocked/unfriended literally almost every Trumpkin after the inauguration. Maybe I should have stayed friends on FB and just berated them as well. Doesn't sound like a healthy idea, but might be helpful mentally.


Yeah, that was generally my approach.

But in about three weeks, we're going to visit my wife's folks in the Florida panhandle. Her mom had been a big anti-liberal poster on FB. They've never said anything political to us in direct communication, but given how crazy things have gotten I don't know if we'll manage to go four days there without something coming up.

Anyway, today I decided that while we're out there, we'll take a day trip to Selma and do a Civil Rights tour. It seems appropriate.
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Steve of phpBB wrote:
brian wrote:
L-Jam3 wrote:Over the last few weeks I've gotten active-aggressive to Trump fans on social media, calling them stupid, cowards, morally bankrupt, and complicit in child rape. It's actually been good to blow off my anger.


I blocked/unfriended literally almost every Trumpkin after the inauguration. Maybe I should have stayed friends on FB and just berated them as well. Doesn't sound like a healthy idea, but might be helpful mentally.


Yeah, that was generally my approach.

But in about three weeks, we're going to visit my wife's folks in the Florida panhandle. Her mom had been a big anti-liberal poster on FB. They've never said anything political to us in direct communication, but given how crazy things have gotten I don't know if we'll manage to go four days there without something coming up.

Anyway, today I decided that while we're out there, we'll take a day trip to Selma and do a Civil Rights tour. It seems appropriate.

The holidays are going to be hard for a lot of us!
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Steve of phpBB wrote:
brian wrote:
L-Jam3 wrote:Over the last few weeks I've gotten active-aggressive to Trump fans on social media, calling them stupid, cowards, morally bankrupt, and complicit in child rape. It's actually been good to blow off my anger.


I blocked/unfriended literally almost every Trumpkin after the inauguration. Maybe I should have stayed friends on FB and just berated them as well. Doesn't sound like a healthy idea, but might be helpful mentally.


Yeah, that was generally my approach.

But in about three weeks, we're going to visit my wife's folks in the Florida panhandle. Her mom had been a big anti-liberal poster on FB. They've never said anything political to us in direct communication, but given how crazy things have gotten I don't know if we'll manage to go four days there without something coming up.

Anyway, today I decided that while we're out there, we'll take a day trip to Selma and do a Civil Rights tour. It seems appropriate.


That's a decent drive for a day trip!
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sancarlos wrote:The holidays are going to be hard for a lot of us!


The beauty of Trump, my FiL actually agrees with me on 90% of political topics now. He went from very strong Republican (but Libertarian to Liberal social values), to voting for Hillary, whom he despises slightly less than Rush Limbaugh despises her). Conversations with him now consist mostly of making fun of Trump's latest insane Tweet, comment or speech with a 10 second rant about the Giants sucking. Much better than listening to rants about Obama destroying the economy, the Iran deal leading to Israel being wiped off the map, or needing to lower corporate taxes. He still loves Laura Ingraham, but it's a huge improvement.
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A_B wrote:
Steve of phpBB wrote:
brian wrote:
L-Jam3 wrote:Over the last few weeks I've gotten active-aggressive to Trump fans on social media, calling them stupid, cowards, morally bankrupt, and complicit in child rape. It's actually been good to blow off my anger.


I blocked/unfriended literally almost every Trumpkin after the inauguration. Maybe I should have stayed friends on FB and just berated them as well. Doesn't sound like a healthy idea, but might be helpful mentally.


Yeah, that was generally my approach.

But in about three weeks, we're going to visit my wife's folks in the Florida panhandle. Her mom had been a big anti-liberal poster on FB. They've never said anything political to us in direct communication, but given how crazy things have gotten I don't know if we'll manage to go four days there without something coming up.

Anyway, today I decided that while we're out there, we'll take a day trip to Selma and do a Civil Rights tour. It seems appropriate.


That's a decent drive for a day trip!


Two and a half hours each way. Around here, that's a trip to the store.
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USA Today Editorial Board Not Mincing Words

A president who would all but call Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand a whore is not fit to clean the toilets in the Barack Obama Presidential Library or to shine the shoes of George W. Bush.
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sancarlos wrote:
Steve of phpBB wrote:
brian wrote:
L-Jam3 wrote:Over the last few weeks I've gotten active-aggressive to Trump fans on social media, calling them stupid, cowards, morally bankrupt, and complicit in child rape. It's actually been good to blow off my anger.


I blocked/unfriended literally almost every Trumpkin after the inauguration. Maybe I should have stayed friends on FB and just berated them as well. Doesn't sound like a healthy idea, but might be helpful mentally.


Yeah, that was generally my approach.

But in about three weeks, we're going to visit my wife's folks in the Florida panhandle. Her mom had been a big anti-liberal poster on FB. They've never said anything political to us in direct communication, but given how crazy things have gotten I don't know if we'll manage to go four days there without something coming up.

Anyway, today I decided that while we're out there, we'll take a day trip to Selma and do a Civil Rights tour. It seems appropriate.

The holidays are going to be hard for a lot of us!


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moveon.org, man.

I think I don't fully grasp what that exchange was all about.
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