The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:36 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:31 pm 40th (I can't remember what dimension we're on now) dimensional chess pretending he's insane in interviews so nothing he ever said or wrote will matter.

Oh. The Vincent "Chin" Gigante Defense

Post by **brian** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:59 pm

Jesus. This guy. I'm no Sarah Sanders fan, but that's definitely a bridge too far.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:01 pm

This drama is really overdue for someone to turn up dead. This guy seems perfect for that. I thought it would be Manafort, but this guy has jumped ahead.

The eventual movie will probably exercise creative license and speed this part up.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:07 pm

His outburst coincided with Jane Mayer's New Yorker article that everyone online seems to be raving about.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:52 pm

I can't link to the videos, but just watched all of Nunberg's performances today. He is absolutely not right in the head. Erin Burnett told him during an in-person interview that CNN received calls from numerous of his friends and former colleagues saying they were very concerned, and they think he is either drinking, on drugs, or off his meds. At the end of the interview, she seemed genuinely concerned, asked him again, and said she has interviewed him before, he seems different, and she thinks she smells alcohol on him. Fuck. Never seen that before.

Great segment of Nunberg on Ari Berman's show, along with two female attorneys. One was a former prosecutor, who was very concerned, trying to explain to Sam why he needs to cooperate. She was essentially advising him, while the other stared at him with motherly concern. It's kind of creepy watching someone devolve over the course of 2 or 3 days.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:52 am

brian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:59 pm

Jesus. This guy. I'm no Sarah Sanders fan, but that's definitely a fridge too far.

FIFY.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:34 am

The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:52 pm I can't link to the videos, but just watched all of Nunberg's performances today. He is absolutely not right in the head. Erin Burnett told him during an in-person interview that CNN received calls from numerous of his friends and former colleagues saying they were very concerned, and they think he is either drinking, on drugs, or off his meds. At the end of the interview, she seemed genuinely concerned, asked him again, and said she has interviewed him before, he seems different, and she thinks she smells alcohol on him. Fuck. Never seen that before.

Great segment of Nunberg on Ari Berman's show, along with two female attorneys. One was a former prosecutor, who was very concerned, trying to explain to Sam why he needs to cooperate. She was essentially advising him, while the other stared at him with motherly concern. It's kind of creepy watching someone devolve over the course of 2 or 3 days.

Melber?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:16 am

Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:07 pm His outburst coincided with Jane Mayer's New Yorker article that everyone online seems to be raving about.

Yeah, I am in the middle of that and hoo boy.

I'll tell you what really sticks out to me: The fact that Grassley and Graham went after Steele in such a public and shitty way really should dispel any notion that they are anything other than disgusting partisan hacks. Hannity and Tucker going after him on Fox is one thing, but for those 2 assholes to carry Trump's water in such a sickening way just totally seals the deal on them.

Again, I know it's not shocking, but they are on the same level as Nunes at this point in terms of credibility.

Also, apropos of absolutely nothing, Steele was born in Aden, Yemen... If you're looking for a fairly entertaining TV show to watch, The Last Post is all about Britain's last days in Aden, which was an important port and oil manufacturing territory up into the 60s for Great Britain.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:54 am

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:34 am
The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:52 pm I can't link to the videos, but just watched all of Nunberg's performances today. He is absolutely not right in the head. Erin Burnett told him during an in-person interview that CNN received calls from numerous of his friends and former colleagues saying they were very concerned, and they think he is either drinking, on drugs, or off his meds. At the end of the interview, she seemed genuinely concerned, asked him again, and said she has interviewed him before, he seems different, and she thinks she smells alcohol on him. Fuck. Never seen that before.

Great segment of Nunberg on Ari Berman's show, along with two female attorneys. One was a former prosecutor, who was very concerned, trying to explain to Sam why he needs to cooperate. She was essentially advising him, while the other stared at him with motherly concern. It's kind of creepy watching someone devolve over the course of 2 or 3 days.
Melber?

Yeah, I get my Jewish Liberal journalists confused.

Baloney · Post by **Baloney** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:24 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:16 am Also, apropos of absolutely nothing, Steele was born in Aden, Yemen... If you're looking for a fairly entertaining TV show to watch, The Last Post is all about Britain's last days in Aden, which was an important port and oil manufacturing territory up into the 60s for Great Britain.

See Mad Mitch and the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders

Avram · Post by **Avram** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:34 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:16 am
Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:07 pm His outburst coincided with Jane Mayer's New Yorker article that everyone online seems to be raving about.
Yeah, I am in the middle of that and hoo boy.

I'll tell you what really sticks out to me: The fact that Grassley and Graham went after Steele in such a public and shitty way really should dispel any notion that they are anything other than disgusting partisan hacks. Hannity and Tucker going after him on Fox is one thing, but for those 2 assholes to carry Trump's water in such a sickening way just totally seals the deal on them.

Again, I know it's not shocking, but they are on the same level as Nunes at this point in terms of credibility.

Also, apropos of absolutely nothing, Steele was born in Aden, Yemen... If you're looking for a fairly entertaining TV show to watch, The Last Post is all about Britain's last days in Aden, which was an important port and oil manufacturing territory up into the 60s for Great Britain.

It is easier to count the Rs who have not carried water for Trump.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:55 pm

"there's a theory that when a country doesn't have steel, it doesn't have a country. and it's true"

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:01 pm

"everybody" wants to work in the White House

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:08 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:55 pm "there's a theory that when a country doesn't have steel, it doesn't have a country. and it's true"

2QB + (country - steel) = 0

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:57 pm

how have we gotten so quickly to the point where pornstar sues Donald Trump is a Tuesday night blip?

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:25 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:57 pm how have we gotten so quickly to the point where pornstar sues Donald Trump is a Tuesday night blip?

Yep. The worst thing that any previous President has done is now on the level of what is just grist for the outrage mill. Trump's true legacy will be that - the absolute demeaning of the highest office in the land.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:20 pm

I have far more faith a porn star will take Trump out than any republican congressman.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:13 pm

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:17 am

Erik Prince, Blackwater founder and Betsy DeVos's brother, is most likely a traitor

Christ Almighty, this conspiracy runs deep. These people got fucked hard by Trump winning the presidency.

If Mueller can somehow entangle Hannity in this too, I'd be so happy.

Also, 72D chess by Hillary being such a shit candidate she knew this would happen. She has Illuminati Bildeberg friends that attached this.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:24 am

Johnnie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:17 am Erik Prince, Blackwater founder and Betsy DeVos's brother, is most likely a traitor

Nice fucking family. His sister sets up a photo op at the school in Miami and avoids the students on the same day.

But you know, rich white christian folks.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:16 am

Whether or not he's a traitor, Prince is definitely a war criminal. If there were any justice he'd already be in prison for the atrocities Blackwater carried out in Iraq. (Which, as an aside, is a big part of why I don't think GWB will ever look "pretty good" in comparison to Trump, or anyone else for that matter.)

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:21 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:17 am Erik Prince, Blackwater founder and Betsy DeVos's brother, is most likely a traitor

Christ Almighty, this conspiracy runs deep. These people got fucked hard by Trump winning the presidency.

If Mueller can somehow entangle Hannity in this too, I'd be so happy.

Also, 72D chess by Hillary being such a shit candidate she knew this would happen. She has Illuminati Bildeberg friends that attached this.

He's definitely a traitor (and war criminal), but not because he set up a meeting between the already-elected soon-to-be-President and a foreign power we aren't at war with.

He's also apparently a perjurer, but I don't know if anyone would prosecute if Congress itself (i.e., the Republican Party) doesn't push it.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:06 pm

Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:16 am Whether or not he's a traitor, Prince is definitely a war criminal. If there were any justice he'd already be in prison for the atrocities Blackwater carried out in Iraq. (Which, as an aside, is a big part of why I don't think GWB will ever look "pretty good" in comparison to Trump, or anyone else for that matter.)

Fucking W should just shut up or die or both.

Like Manson pointing at Dahmer and saying that he wasn;t as bad.

TT2.0 · Post by **TT2.0** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:20 am

Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:16 am Whether or not he's a traitor, Prince is definitely a war criminal. If there were any justice he'd already be in prison for the atrocities Blackwater carried out in Iraq. (Which, as an aside, is a big part of why I don't think GWB will ever look "pretty good" in comparison to Trump, or anyone else for that matter.)

do you have any links to any stories about this stuff? Im not doubting what you say I just know nothing of blackwater and "traitor and war criminal" are pretty heavy labels to drop on someone that near as I can read from that set up a meeting with a foreign country. Yeah Trump wasnt elected yet...or was he not sworn in yet? I couldnt tell, but since trump did end up getting elected isnt meetimg with other countries his job? Traitor to me says something like "betrays America by selling secrets" or "sells weapons illegally to a foreign power". Like what am I missing here because you guys all sewm to be on the same page about this guy and I am woefully ignorant and would like to get on the same page

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:08 am

There's a ton out there on Prince. Start with the Intercept, which is as "pro-Russia" as "American" media gets.

Post by **brian** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:25 am

TT2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:20 am
Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:16 am Whether or not he's a traitor, Prince is definitely a war criminal. If there were any justice he'd already be in prison for the atrocities Blackwater carried out in Iraq. (Which, as an aside, is a big part of why I don't think GWB will ever look "pretty good" in comparison to Trump, or anyone else for that matter.)
do you have any links to any stories about this stuff? Im not doubting what you say I just know nothing of blackwater and "traitor and war criminal" are pretty heavy labels to drop on someone that near as I can read from that set up a meeting with a foreign country. Yeah Trump wasnt elected yet...or was he not sworn in yet? I couldnt tell, but since trump did end up getting elected isnt meetimg with other countries his job? Traitor to me says something like "betrays America by selling secrets" or "sells weapons illegally to a foreign power". Like what am I missing here because you guys all sewm to be on the same page about this guy and I am woefully ignorant and would like to get on the same page

Here's another good start. Brookings is a conservative think tank by the way.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:10 am

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:40 am

TT2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:20 am
Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:16 am Whether or not he's a traitor, Prince is definitely a war criminal. If there were any justice he'd already be in prison for the atrocities Blackwater carried out in Iraq. (Which, as an aside, is a big part of why I don't think GWB will ever look "pretty good" in comparison to Trump, or anyone else for that matter.)
do you have any links to any stories about this stuff? Im not doubting what you say I just know nothing of blackwater and "traitor and war criminal" are pretty heavy labels to drop on someone that near as I can read from that set up a meeting with a foreign country. Yeah Trump wasnt elected yet...or was he not sworn in yet? I couldnt tell, but since trump did end up getting elected isnt meetimg with other countries his job? Traitor to me says something like "betrays America by selling secrets" or "sells weapons illegally to a foreign power". Like what am I missing here because you guys all sewm to be on the same page about this guy and I am woefully ignorant and would like to get on the same page

Trump had already been elected, just now sworn in yet. So I personally am not that freaked out by the fact that he was having talks with foreign governments, since he was going to be president shortly anyway.

But damn, why go to the trouble to meet in the Seychelles? As with Jared's idea to use the Russian embassy's communications, it's all so fucking suspicious. Why go to that much trouble to keep your communications away from the US government?

One thing that these constant "back channel" stories tell me, though, is that there was no ongoing active collusion. It seems like time after time, the Russians are trying to set up contact, or later the Trump people are trying to set up contact. That tells me that there was no actual contact going on, because if there was, they wouldn't need to keep trying to set up channels.

I think it's more likely that the Russians have dirt on Trump, so they knew he would do what they want without them having to explain it. So they decided to help him win because they preferred that outcome.

And, of course, the Trump campaign willingly abetted Russian subversion of the election by keeping the Russian contact attempts and meetings secret instead of reporting them to the FBI. And by publicly disputing the suggestion that the Russians had hacked the DNC or were trying to help him.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:32 pm

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:05 pm

brian wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:25 am
TT2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:20 am
Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:16 am Whether or not he's a traitor, Prince is definitely a war criminal. If there were any justice he'd already be in prison for the atrocities Blackwater carried out in Iraq. (Which, as an aside, is a big part of why I don't think GWB will ever look "pretty good" in comparison to Trump, or anyone else for that matter.)
do you have any links to any stories about this stuff? Im not doubting what you say I just know nothing of blackwater and "traitor and war criminal" are pretty heavy labels to drop on someone that near as I can read from that set up a meeting with a foreign country. Yeah Trump wasnt elected yet...or was he not sworn in yet? I couldnt tell, but since trump did end up getting elected isnt meetimg with other countries his job? Traitor to me says something like "betrays America by selling secrets" or "sells weapons illegally to a foreign power". Like what am I missing here because you guys all sewm to be on the same page about this guy and I am woefully ignorant and would like to get on the same page
Here's another good start. Brookings is a conservative think tank by the way.

Yeah, that article goes into some of the evidence, and there’s a lot of it, that Blackwater intentionally murdered Iraqi civilians as a regular practice. That’s why I feel comfortable calling Prince a war criminal regardless of whether he did anything illegal or improper with the Russia meetings.

TT2.0 · Post by **TT2.0** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:33 am

Joe K wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:05 pm
brian wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:25 am
TT2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:20 am
Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:16 am Whether or not he's a traitor, Prince is definitely a war criminal. If there were any justice he'd already be in prison for the atrocities Blackwater carried out in Iraq. (Which, as an aside, is a big part of why I don't think GWB will ever look "pretty good" in comparison to Trump, or anyone else for that matter.)
do you have any links to any stories about this stuff? Im not doubting what you say I just know nothing of blackwater and "traitor and war criminal" are pretty heavy labels to drop on someone that near as I can read from that set up a meeting with a foreign country. Yeah Trump wasnt elected yet...or was he not sworn in yet? I couldnt tell, but since trump did end up getting elected isnt meetimg with other countries his job? Traitor to me says something like "betrays America by selling secrets" or "sells weapons illegally to a foreign power". Like what am I missing here because you guys all sewm to be on the same page about this guy and I am woefully ignorant and would like to get on the same page
Here's another good start. Brookings is a conservative think tank by the way.

Yeah, that article goes into some of the evidence, and there’s a lot of it, that Blackwater intentionally murdered Iraqi civilians as a regular practice. That’s why I feel comfortable calling Prince a war criminal regardless of whether he did anything illegal or improper with the Russia meetings.

after reading some of the links, for what its worth im fully comfortable calling him a war criminal. murdering civilians for sport is horrendous. im sorry if my previous post came off as skeptical instead of urious. fuck that company...murdering raping privatized pricks

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:57 pm

TT2.0 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:33 am

after reading some of the links, for what its worth im fully comfortable calling him a war criminal. murdering civilians for sport is horrendous. im sorry if my previous post came off as skeptical instead of urious. fuck that company...murdering raping privatized pricks

Skepticism is always a good thing, especially when throwing out accusations of war crimes, but yeah, this time the accusation fits. I highly recommend the book PDX posted. Scahill is a fantastic journalist. Prince had ties to the Bush family, and they gave him ungodly sums of money to wage what Prince called a Christian crusade to rid the world of Muslims. Disturbing as fuck that about $2 Billion of our taxes have gone into his companies. Blackwater changed its name to Xe after all of the bad publicity from their mercenaries murdering Iraqi citizens for fun and another mercenary threatening to murder an Iraqi government official. Now the company is called Academi, since everyone imputed the Blackwater evils onto Xe.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:52 am

Tillerson fired. One day after he was the solo admin official to publically speak out against Russia for the Britain incident.

JoeK, do you STILL think Trump isn't working for Putin?

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:40 am

Trump's personal assistant was fired yesterday, too.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:41 am

At this point, I literally think Trump is a Russian operative.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:44 am

tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:52 am Tillerson fired. One day after he was the solo admin official to publically speak out against Russia for the Britain incident.

JoeK, do you STILL think Trump isn't working for Putin?

What's Pompeo think about it?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:47 am

Eh, that just seems too complex. I think he's either financially reliant or is rock-solid blackmailed. Or, probably, both.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:50 am

mister d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:47 am Eh, that just seems too complex. I think he's either financially reliant or is rock-solid blackmailed. Or, probably, both.

In either scenario you've just described, that meets the definition of an operative.

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:55 am

CNN is reporting that Tillerson learned of his firing via Trump's tweet...

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:06 am

So, House Intel Committee ends their Russia investigation. Schiff had a statement about it.

Pompeo shifts to Secretary of State.

Sessions to CIA director.

Then Trump puts who as AG to fire Rosenstein so that Mueller gets fired?

Then how many take to the streets and riots begin?

Glad I'm in Afghanistan.