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TT2.0 wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:33 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:23 pm
TT2.0 wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:35 am why do we need a gas tax? cant we reallpcate some of the millions of dollars in tax revenue that we already pay that gets spent on useless shit loke the arts or maybe take a couple billion out of our humongous defense budget? Why should I eat the tax on gas when the government pisses away the money we already give them?
The money spent on "useless shit" like arts isn't anywhere near enough to cover transportation funding.

I'd be fine cutting our military funding, but that's a different fight.

You should eat the tax on gas because you use and otherwise benefit from highways.
lets fight the different fight then. i drive roughly 125 miles a day to work and back
So you should pay more for infrastructure repair.
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Why am I paying all these airport taxes just because I fly more than most people? It's bs if you ask me
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wecalready pay taxes for roads and infrastructure and tbey arent using the money well...my feeling is they will tax us more and fuckoff that money too
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After having been in Indianapolis two of the past three weeks I am all in on anything that will fix fucking potholes.
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sancarlos wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:35 pm
But they are new to politics, we can't expect them to accurately fill out their disclosure documents! We can trust them with the most sensitive information and national security secrets, because they are smart at business, and created 100s of jobs and stuff. Forget about whether they would have their jobs, they would be charged with crimes under any other administration.
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When I had my security clearance redone in late 2016 I disclosed that at my previous base I had a letter of counseling for, in my leadership's perspective, "being rude" to them.

I was questioned face-to-face about my clearance stuff specifically because that was a red flag. When it got to that point in the interview I had to explain the situation. I'm one-on-one with an investigator with a badge and no lawyer present.

Needless to say I have to watch every word. She's either being empathetic or is acting very well at being so. By the end of it she was stunned I had been given paperwork for not changing out light bulbs. Then she hit me with a curve ball with a question along the lines of "you'd really want to get back at the guy for doing something like this to you, huh?"

Not today, Feds. "Oh, absolutely not ma'am. As squadron superintendent he felt he needed to take a course of action that was appropriate for the situation to him. If he felt like this was it, that's fine. Ultimately paperwork like this doesn't follow me and doesn't impact my career. But I'd never attack someone over it." I was calm and talked slowly, maybe even appeared thrown by the question. My clearance closed out in the next 2 weeks.

So I see this Kushner shit and I'm fucking apoplectic.
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So, this latest indictment of the English lawyer for Skadden Arps.

He made his false statements to the FBI and the Special Counsel on November 3. That was four days after Mueller unsealed the first indictments against Manafort and Gates and Papadopoulos's plea.

All these guys were charged with (and P-dos pleaded to) making false statements to the FBI. It was all over the news!

And yet, four days later, Van Der Zwaan made false statements to the FBI. What an idiot.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
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There's going to have to be a new word invented to describe the sheer level of super-schadenfreude I'm going to feel when Trump Jr., Kushner and some of these other mopes are frog-marched wearing leg irons into federal custody.

If it ever gets to Trump getting indicted (thanks to the coordination with the NY and other state attorneys general that Mueller is working with) then there will need to be a new word for that yet still.
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brian wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:45 pm There's going to have to be a new word invented to describe the sheer level of super-schadenfreude I'm going to feel when Trump Jr., Kushner and some of these other mopes are frog-marched wearing leg irons into federal custody.
Yup. I will jizz all over the place. Repeatedly.

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There are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many people like this that I literally can't think about it too much or I'll end up following Brian to whatever country he's thinking about moving to this week.

he’s a fixbking cyborg or some shit. The

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It's late here, but this seems to be a good start at developing a new word:

https://www.thegermanz.com/cool-german-words/

I'll go with kräftigorgasmusschadenfreude.

Edit:

Haaaaaa.
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brian wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:45 pm There's going to have to be a new word invented to describe the sheer level of super-schadenfreude I'm going to feel when Trump Jr., Kushner and some of these other mopes are frog-marched wearing leg irons into federal custody.
Yup. I will jizz all over the place. Repeatedly.

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Ryan wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:35 pm There are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many people like this that I literally can't think about it too much or I'll end up following Brian to whatever country he's thinking about moving to this week.
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Will Forte made a quiet pivot into investigative reporting, huh?
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Hard to believe this book isn't intentional parody. I read a few reviews, and as far as I can tell they forgot to include chapters discussing lying, cheating, harassment, adultery, and general ass-hattery, among other possible subjects for review.
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Steve of phpBB wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:40 pm So, this latest indictment of the English lawyer for Skadden Arps.

He made his false statements to the FBI and the Special Counsel on November 3. That was four days after Mueller unsealed the first indictments against Manafort and Gates and Papadopoulos's plea.

All these guys were charged with (and P-dos pleaded to) making false statements to the FBI. It was all over the news!

And yet, four days later, Van Der Zwaan made false statements to the FBI. What an idiot.
But he is a Skadden attorney. They are beyond reproach! Curious to know what he lied about and why. You just never, ever lie to the FBI. They will prosecute. I'm curious what percentage of federal indictments are for lying to the FBI, I bet it's a very high number. Easy as fuck to prove, and the US Attorneys won't take a case unless they are all but guaranteed a conviction. I sent more than 500 cases to the US Attorneys Offices in Eastern District NY, NJ, and a handful to the Southern District of NY, and they took maybe 10. And those were cases to the Civil Division, Criminal is way more difficult to get them to take a case. That doesn't count my pornography seizures, they have me Special Assistant US Attorney status to prosecute the porn seizures myself. Unfortunately, nobody ever came forward to contest the charges on any of my cases, I would have loved to go to trial in Federal Court to criminally charge deviant pornography.*

But I digress. Lying to the FBI is insanely stupid, especially for an attorney to lie while representing a client, but to do so in the biggest investigation in the history of the US, for a client who was charged for lying to the FBI 4 days prior, is batshit crazy. I mean, that was a bigger scandal than anything during Obama's 8 years, and was the biggest news story of the day until Trump did something else off the charts stupid. I'd love to know the inside story there.
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If only we knew a former Skadden attorney to give us the scoop.
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A_B wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:04 pm If only we knew a former Skadden attorney to give us the scoop.
I thought he still works there? Been years since he posted, though.
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A_B wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:04 pm If only we knew a former Skadden attorney to give us the scoop.
Yup, although that guy whiled away his Skadden career by hiding from work as much as possible. Made it impossible to find him a job as a recruiter. Skadden has around 3,500 employees and 22 offices in 8 countries, so not much knowledge across the firm.

I know you were joking, but it drives me nuts when the media infers wrongdoing or a conflict of interests because someone once worked at a giant international firm that represented one client. Like Trump saying Mueller had a conflict of interest because he worked at a megafirm that represented Kushner on something, or Breitbart attacking the Gold Star father because he worked at megafirm in DC in 2007, which, 3 years after he left the firm, merged with a London-based megafirm that represented the Saudi Government. Therefore Khan was working for the Saudis in 2016, and since they donated money to Bill's foundation, he was a paid shill for Hillary, and Trump was correct to bash a Muslim gold star hero who threw himself on an IED to save his men. FUCK!
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sancarlos wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:26 pm
A_B wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:04 pm If only we knew a former Skadden attorney to give us the scoop.
I thought he still works there? Been years since he posted, though.
Man, that was 5 jobs ago! Keep up! Not really, but it's been at least 8 years. Time fucking flies.
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The Sybian wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:01 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:40 pm So, this latest indictment of the English lawyer for Skadden Arps.

He made his false statements to the FBI and the Special Counsel on November 3. That was four days after Mueller unsealed the first indictments against Manafort and Gates and Papadopoulos's plea.

All these guys were charged with (and P-dos pleaded to) making false statements to the FBI. It was all over the news!

And yet, four days later, Van Der Zwaan made false statements to the FBI. What an idiot.
But he is a Skadden attorney. They are beyond reproach! Curious to know what he lied about and why. You just never, ever lie to the FBI. They will prosecute. I'm curious what percentage of federal indictments are for lying to the FBI, I bet it's a very high number. Easy as fuck to prove, and the US Attorneys won't take a case unless they are all but guaranteed a conviction. I sent more than 500 cases to the US Attorneys Offices in Eastern District NY, NJ, and a handful to the Southern District of NY, and they took maybe 10. And those were cases to the Civil Division, Criminal is way more difficult to get them to take a case. That doesn't count my pornography seizures, they have me Special Assistant US Attorney status to prosecute the porn seizures myself. Unfortunately, nobody ever came forward to contest the charges on any of my cases, I would have loved to go to trial in Federal Court to criminally charge deviant pornography.*

But I digress. Lying to the FBI is insanely stupid, especially for an attorney to lie while representing a client, but to do so in the biggest investigation in the history of the US, for a client who was charged for lying to the FBI 4 days prior, is batshit crazy. I mean, that was a bigger scandal than anything during Obama's 8 years, and was the biggest news story of the day until Trump did something else off the charts stupid. I'd love to know the inside story there.
From a strategic point of view, it also makes sense to publicize these charges as warning shots to persons of interest that are further up the pecking order. Lie to us and you're fucked, like your stooges.
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P.D.X. wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:42 am
The Sybian wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:01 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:40 pm So, this latest indictment of the English lawyer for Skadden Arps.

He made his false statements to the FBI and the Special Counsel on November 3. That was four days after Mueller unsealed the first indictments against Manafort and Gates and Papadopoulos's plea.

All these guys were charged with (and P-dos pleaded to) making false statements to the FBI. It was all over the news!

And yet, four days later, Van Der Zwaan made false statements to the FBI. What an idiot.
But he is a Skadden attorney. They are beyond reproach! Curious to know what he lied about and why. You just never, ever lie to the FBI. They will prosecute. I'm curious what percentage of federal indictments are for lying to the FBI, I bet it's a very high number. Easy as fuck to prove, and the US Attorneys won't take a case unless they are all but guaranteed a conviction. I sent more than 500 cases to the US Attorneys Offices in Eastern District NY, NJ, and a handful to the Southern District of NY, and they took maybe 10. And those were cases to the Civil Division, Criminal is way more difficult to get them to take a case. That doesn't count my pornography seizures, they have me Special Assistant US Attorney status to prosecute the porn seizures myself. Unfortunately, nobody ever came forward to contest the charges on any of my cases, I would have loved to go to trial in Federal Court to criminally charge deviant pornography.*

But I digress. Lying to the FBI is insanely stupid, especially for an attorney to lie while representing a client, but to do so in the biggest investigation in the history of the US, for a client who was charged for lying to the FBI 4 days prior, is batshit crazy. I mean, that was a bigger scandal than anything during Obama's 8 years, and was the biggest news story of the day until Trump did something else off the charts stupid. I'd love to know the inside story there.
From a strategic point of view, it also makes sense to publicize these charges as warning shots to persons of interest that are further up the pecking order. Lie to us and you're fucked, like your stooges.
No doubt, 100% agree. And not just in this case, but since at least the 1930s the FBI and DOJ have used the strategy. They announced the conviction of P-dop and indictments of Gates and Manafort right before the met with Kushner. Gates and Manafort were only charged with money laundering, but neither charged nor cleared of the bigger crimes being investigated, so it was left open for Gates and Manafort to plea bargain out of the bigger crimes if they helped Mueller take down bigger fish. The timing of the announcement was key, because Kushner knew they had verified info from P-dop and possibly the other two, but Kushner had no way of knowing what Mueller knew. The idea is, Kushner will give up info they don't have yet, ut of fear of lying about something they have already confirmed. And if Kushner is too dumb to play, they get him on lying. It's really fun playing out the strategy here, and the sheer brilliance is Mueller's team's ability to keep secrets. Nothing has leaked out of them.
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The Sybian wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:01 pmCurious to know what he lied about and why.
He pleaded to lying about the last time he spoke to Gates (I think), and also about why a certain email had not been produced by Skadden to the FBI.

In other words, stupid little shit. (Although the reason Skadden didn't produce the email was because Van der Zwaan had deleted it. Or so he thought.)
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
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So what happens when Kushner gets pardoned and continues to be allowed access to classified?
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That's why the NY Attorney General is in on this. The President can't pardon state crimes.

Besides, it's not like Kushner would put it on his application anyway.
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Johnnie wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:40 pm So what happens when Kushner gets pardoned and continues to be allowed access to classified?
Nothing.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
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Johnnie wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:40 pm So what happens when Kushner gets pardoned and continues to be allowed access to classified?
In all seriousness, that's the million dollar question and it's all related to the endgame of all of this. When Trump starts to really feel cornered and starts to do stupid shit like firing Rosenstein, pardoning Kushner and his son -- which he will absolutely do -- then the outcry and protests need to be loud and immediate. Anyone who thinks protests don't matter or don't accomplish anything are seeing how absolutely frightened Republican lawmakers and the NRA is over the reaction to Parkland.
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More charges filed against Gates and Manafort. Mueller upping the pressure.

ETA: 32 counts of tax fraud, bank fraud and money laundering.

If this investigation is allowed to continue I can't even imagine the stuff they're going to get Trump on. If Manafort is laundering tens of millions of dollars, Trump must have laundered billions for Russian plutocrats and the like.
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Gates to plead guilty and roll over on...others.
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When does Manafort "commit suicide"?
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Johnnie wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:35 am When does Manafort "commit suicide"?
Only Killary murders her political rivals. Manafort is as safe as a babe in mother's arms.
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Oh my god. This is incredible.

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I know. That's the best, right?

The Parkland kids also give me hope because I assume if they were trying to commit tax fraud at the same time as eliminating assault rifles, I'd bet every single one of them knows how to convert a Word doc to a PDF.
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Lol everyone knows that that PDF now looks like shit. Amateurs.
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The array of bats in this photo about Trump and Mueller in todays WP is badass.
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brian wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:46 am I know. That's the best, right?

The Parkland kids also give me hope because I assume if they were trying to commit tax fraud at the same time as eliminating assault rifles, I'd bet every single one of them knows how to convert a Word doc to a PDF.
This is something olds were allowed to get away with 10-15 years ago, because you needed Acrobat. But I think beginning in 2007 MS had an add-on that allowed you to just ‘save as’ a PDF. It’s been baked into Word the past several versions, right?

Of course, I haven’t been on Windows the past decade, so...
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Yeah, it's been baked into the OS (both Mac and Windows) for at least about a decade, maybe even a little longer. It's been in some apps (especially MS Office) for even longer than that.
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You can also save it as a PDF via the print function.

And they should have taken a hint from General Petraeus: share an email account and save any email as a draft. The unnecessary digital trail is what's fucking this up. Idiots.
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It's too bad Trump is famously technophobic otherwise there would be some awesome emails for Mueller to subpoena.

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Subject: Collusion

Paul:

How's that colluding with Russia going? Just checking in.

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