The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)

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Joe K wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:49 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:28 pm
rass wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:00 am
Joe K wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:50 am
rass wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:31 amThanks Obama!
I know you’re being sarcastic, but the Dems allowing the Senate GOP to get away with the Garland stunt will go down as an all-time example of political malpractice. They should have hammered that every fucking day, but they were so convinced Clinton would win, and get to make her own pick, that they let that bullshit happen.
I meant exactly what you just said above, but specifically calling out BO and not just "the Dems".
My thanks goes to all the people who were too pure to vote for Hillary or actually had the gall to argue that it didn't matter if Hillary or Trump won because they are both warmongering corporate tools.

Everyone from the left who slagged on Hillary during the primary and general election owns Gorsuch.
Blaming "the left" is bizarre to me when (1) Hillary got a substantially higher level of support from Sanders voters in the general election than Obama got from Hillary voters in 2008; and (2) the right-leaning 3rd party candidate, Gary Johnson, got 3 times as many votes as the left-leaning 3rd party candidate, Jill Stein. There's really no basis to think that "the left" didn't do it's part and the idea of blaming them for our current political predicament just seems like a cop out by the Democratic establishment to push back on outsider, reformist candidates in the primaries.
There's plenty of blame to go around, but that polling doesn't include people who stayed home for whatever reason and didn't vote at all. So that's the "left" I'm referring to at least. Can't speak for Steve or anyone else.
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Anyone, for whatever reason, that didn't vote with the express purpose of keeping a known racist, misogynistic... I'm done typing it all out. The guy was a known commodity for anyone that did the barest minimum of looking into his past. They all own it.

The whole progressive vs. establishment thing is so fucking stupid right now. I'm just sick of all of this bullshit. Vote the GOP out of office, that's it. That's all anyone should be focused on.

Mind you, this is coming from a guy that worked for a political organization that was all about splitting Democratic policy hairs for over 5 years (total.) Looking back, first off, a lot of that shit was just wrong-headed (centrist policies), but coming from a relatively good place. But what's really stunning is that we were going up against Heritage and Cato and Brookings, having these high minded debates about health care, trade, etc.

We had no idea how useless all of that shit was. That it was all going to be torched by a bunch of thugs and racists, stuffing their bags of money watching the whole thing burn down, laughing at the libtards who think any of the policy debates matter.

Wake the fuck up, people.
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Joe K wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:49 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:28 pm
rass wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:00 am
Joe K wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:50 am
rass wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:31 amThanks Obama!
I know you’re being sarcastic, but the Dems allowing the Senate GOP to get away with the Garland stunt will go down as an all-time example of political malpractice. They should have hammered that every fucking day, but they were so convinced Clinton would win, and get to make her own pick, that they let that bullshit happen.
I meant exactly what you just said above, but specifically calling out BO and not just "the Dems".
My thanks goes to all the people who were too pure to vote for Hillary or actually had the gall to argue that it didn't matter if Hillary or Trump won because they are both warmongering corporate tools.

Everyone from the left who slagged on Hillary during the primary and general election owns Gorsuch.
Blaming "the left" is bizarre to me when (1) Hillary got a substantially higher level of support from Sanders voters in the general election than Obama got from Hillary voters in 2008; and (2) the right-leaning 3rd party candidate, Gary Johnson, got 3 times as many votes as the left-leaning 3rd party candidate, Jill Stein. There's really no basis to think that "the left" didn't do it's part and the idea of blaming them for our current political predicament just seems like a cop out by the Democratic establishment to push back on outsider, reformist candidates in the primaries.
What-the-fuck-ever. Who voted for Obama in 2008 is not relevant. How many votes Gary Johnson got is not relevant.
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Steve of phpBB wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:00 pm
Joe K wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:49 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:28 pm
rass wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:00 am
Joe K wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:50 am
rass wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:31 amThanks Obama!
I know you’re being sarcastic, but the Dems allowing the Senate GOP to get away with the Garland stunt will go down as an all-time example of political malpractice. They should have hammered that every fucking day, but they were so convinced Clinton would win, and get to make her own pick, that they let that bullshit happen.
I meant exactly what you just said above, but specifically calling out BO and not just "the Dems".
My thanks goes to all the people who were too pure to vote for Hillary or actually had the gall to argue that it didn't matter if Hillary or Trump won because they are both warmongering corporate tools.

Everyone from the left who slagged on Hillary during the primary and general election owns Gorsuch.
Blaming "the left" is bizarre to me when (1) Hillary got a substantially higher level of support from Sanders voters in the general election than Obama got from Hillary voters in 2008; and (2) the right-leaning 3rd party candidate, Gary Johnson, got 3 times as many votes as the left-leaning 3rd party candidate, Jill Stein. There's really no basis to think that "the left" didn't do it's part and the idea of blaming them for our current political predicament just seems like a cop out by the Democratic establishment to push back on outsider, reformist candidates in the primaries.
What-the-fuck-ever. Who voted for Obama in 2008 is not relevant. How many votes Gary Johnson got is not relevant.
In 2015, I never would have imagined a scenario where I voted for Hillary and felt good about it. If Kasich or a more sane/moderate Republican had won, I would have voted for Hillary and felt shitty about it, but when it was down to Trump and Cruz, the ickiness disappeared. Probably helped that Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are arguably as dumb and lacking in knowledge of political affairs as Trump.
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Ummmm...



Is he threatening to put a company out of business?
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Pruitt wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:26 pm Ummmm...



Is he threatening to put a company out of business?
He's a fucking moron.

They're going to build Harley Davidsons to be sold and ridden on the continent they're produced.
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EnochRoot wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:32 pm
Pruitt wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:26 pm Ummmm...



Is he threatening to put a company out of business?
He's a fucking moron.

They're going to build Harley Davidsons to be sold and ridden on the continent they're produced.
Tangentally, I'm just back from a meeting with a company that is working with Asian producers to produce shows that will have a primary audience in Asia.

"America First" kind of misses the point that there are about 7 billion others in the world with varying degrees of spending money.
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The upside of getting asked to leave a restaurant (and having your cheese plate on the house) is that afterwards you'll get assigned Secret Service protection.
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It would be nice if a high ranking Democrat called this literal politicization of the Supreme Court:



But no. They'd rather turn Maxine Waters into a pariah.
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Thought these guys loved the Constitution.

In other news - from a Washington Post piece about the protesters outside the Red Hen restaurant (no point reading the whole piece, it's entirely predictable).

But this caught my eye...
Protesters began showing up around 3.

At first, it was just two guys holding Trump banners, a Confederate flag and a Corey Stewart for U.S. Senate sign. Standing in a steady rain, mobbed by three or four TV crews who had been stationed across from the darkened restaurant since morning, the pair said they were there to call for civility.
So, I'm gathering that the news crews were there even before two guys showed up to wave their flags. Ridiculous.
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They like a few parts of the Constitution.

They want free speech for them alone, right for white people to bear arms, and they don't want to quarter any damn British soldiers. Oh and states to have powers not granted to the Federal gov except for bad things like drugs and immigrants and things like that. But only red states, really.

The rest, about free presses and cruel and unusual punishment and jury trials and rights for brown people to bear arms (every time I see comments on a police shooting referencing a gun being found in the vehicle I overdose on cognitive dissonance), those ones can fuck off.


Hardline Republicans are the least Constitutional people in the entire damn country and they are the ones always bringing the damn thing up.
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What's weirder is the aspect of the Pizzagate thing where these people are sooooo well-versed in pedophile stuff.

I'm sure profiling won't be ok anymore if the FBI starts going through their searches. Then suddenly privacy and due process becomes important again.
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The Master Dealmaker knows how to diplomatize!

North Korea Is Rapidly Upgrading Nuclear Site Despite Summit Vow
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Pruitt wrote: Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:48 pm The Master Dealmaker knows how to diplomatize!

North Korea Is Rapidly Upgrading Nuclear Site Despite Summit Vow
Yeah, and what moves has the master dealmaker left himself? He's spent so much time sucking his own dick about the "success" of the summit, he has no stick to wield at the North Koreans, only carrots. So they can essentially do whatever they want without worrying about being critical of them because if he is then his big foreign diplomacy "win" is a sham.
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Half the dipshits here will believe it was Australia that nuked S. Korea anyway if he says so.
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Kennedy retiring from Supreme Court.
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Roe v. Wade now dead.
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In case any of you want to join me. No shit, my timeline might have just moved up. Maybe as soon as late 2019 at this point. I was intent on sticking it out until the next presidential election pretty much no matter what, but I've just about had it.

Here's the most likely candidate for where we'd live for now.
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Gonna be working with my company in the next few months to see the possibility of becoming a contractor and switching to "part-time" (really probably close to 40 hours a week still) so as not to violate American tax laws related to foreign income. If I can work out a way where I'm still able to do some work from another country for my company legally and I'm able to obtain a permanent resident visa from another country then we're out of here.
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Same time zone as the East Coast but no DST. Sounds tempting.
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Check out that weather too. Average high of 72 with average low of about 55 year round. Definitely wouldn't need A/C.
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Out of curiosity, have you figured out if you can follow American sports there live? MLB, NFL, NHL, college etc - ?
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tennbengal wrote: Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:08 pm Out of curiosity, have you figured out if you can follow American sports there live? MLB, NFL, NHL, college etc - ?
Haven't gotten that far, but I know generally most of that stuff is available either streaming online or even with a satellite subscription.
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Has anyone researched how to cash out 401(k)/IRA accounts and then be able to access the money from a foreign country? Asking for a friend.
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brian wrote: Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:09 pm
tennbengal wrote: Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:08 pm Out of curiosity, have you figured out if you can follow American sports there live? MLB, NFL, NHL, college etc - ?
Haven't gotten that far, but I know generally most of that stuff is available either streaming online or even with a satellite subscription.
Was curious if there were any restrictions/blackouts etc on watching it out of country. Genuinely will be interested in what you find out.
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come on y'all
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I can always spot the swampers without kids.

(yeah I know TB and I think phxgators ruined that comment)
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rass wrote: Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:13 pm I can always spot the swampers without kids.

(yeah I know TB and I think phxgators ruined that comment)
My youngest is almost to college and is talking about college in Europe (Spain). So...options start to open up over the next few years.
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Nothing wrong with having some contingency plans
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phxgators wrote: Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:16 pm Nothing wrong with having some contingency plans
The reality is they all become crisis action plans when the time comes anyway.

(Air Force career field joke. But it kinda rings true here.)
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the complacency is gone, and I think that's a good thing

not for the short-term, but as we go on
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We were already planning a trip to Hawaii for vacation in January. Looks like that might be changing to Guayaquil, Ecuador to do some looking around (and hanging out on the beach of course, obvs)
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brian wrote: Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:55 pm We were already planning a trip to Hawaii for vacation in January. Looks like that might be changing to Guayaquil, Ecuador to do some looking around (and hanging out on the beach of course, obvs)
Buddy of mine spent a couple of weeks there like 15 years ago.

Loved it.

But there's a place with a colder climate, close to you where english speakers can find work - Raise a glass on Sunday for Canada Day.

And I know lawyers...
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I do very much love Canada but if you know anyone hiring Americans who want to emigrate you should talk to MaxWebster. He would love to move back to Canada and from the sounds of it got a little dicked over on visa stuff.
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I've talked seriously with my wife about moving up to Canada, too. Since both my parents were born and raised Canadian, and because I have relatives up there, it might grease the wheels for me. With my daughter going to university in Seattle, Vancouver looks appealing (although it is pretty damned expensive.)
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There’s always Chilliwack...

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Where are all of these Congressmen going to send their mistresses if they make abortion illegal tho?
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At the current numbers can the Dems stonewall this confirmation? Because if so, they'd be fucking spineless if they didn't. Or more spineless than normal.
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Gunpowder wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:03 am Where are all of these Congressmen going to send their mistresses if they make abortion illegal tho?
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Gunpowder wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:03 am Where are all of these Congressmen going to send their mistresses if they make abortion illegal tho?
That’s the thing. Overruling Roe v. Wade wouldn’t impose any real burden on rich people who want abortions because they could just spend the money to go to the nearest blue state where abortion remained available. It would, however, place a tremendous burden on poor and lower-middle class women for whom such travel is not economically feasible. But since when has the GOP cares about imposing hardships on the poor? Money is the same thing as success and If they were deserving of it they’d already be rich, right?
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