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Post by wlu_lax6 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:19 pm

Young squad for the Portugal Friendly. Sargent gets the nod...that kid is having an AMAZING year. 12 players under 24, Hamid is the most experienced Goalie.

Goalkeepers: Jesse Gonzalez, FC Dallas (22 years old, 0 caps); Bill Hamid, Midtjylland (26, 3); Ethan Horvath, Club Brugge (22, 1).

Defenders: John Brooks, Wolfsburg (24 years old, 32 caps); Cameron Carter-Vickers, Sheffield United (19, 0); Eric Lichaj, Nottingham Forest (28, 13); Matt Miazga, Vitesse (22, 3); Tim Ream, Fulham (30, 26); Jorge Villafaña, Santos Laguna (28, 14); DeAndre Yedlin, Newcastle (24, 48).

Midfielders: Kellyn Acosta, FC Dallas (22 years old, 16 caps); Tyler Adams, New York Red Bulls (18, 0); Alejandro Bedoya, Philadelphia Union (30, 65); Lynden Gooch, Sunderland (21, 2); Weston McKennie, Schalke (19, 0); Kelyn Rowe, New England Revolution (25, 3); Danny Williams, Huddersfield Town (28, 22).

Forwards: Juan Agudelo, New England Revolution (24 years old, 26 caps); Dom Dwyer, Orlando City (27, 3); C.J. Sapong, Philadelphia Union (28, 2); Josh Sargent, Werder Bremen (17, 0).

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Post by Rex » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:36 pm

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Bedoya made sense to me here. Ream and Villafana did not.

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Post by wlu_lax6 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:27 pm

May have a chance to cap tie a few sooner than expected as Concacaf may get a National League model also. Not sure how I feel about this. Meaningful games are good but against Concacaf oppositions is less interesting than matches against UEFA, Africa, and SA teams.
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:01 pm

Yeah, I don't know if I like that idea very much. In the other thread, one of the things we lamented was that the US needs to play tougher opponents in friendlies.
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Post by degenerasian » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:08 pm

are you ready for some junk football?

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Post by wlu_lax6 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:06 am

Keaton Parks got 21 minutes for Benfica on Saturday. 20 year old from Texas. Benfica grabbed him this summer from the second-division side Varzim (where he moved last year). He is a regular on Benfica's 2nd team and just started training regularly with the 1st side.

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Post by tennbengal » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:06 pm

I'm still pretending this thread doesn't exists, but Chuck might be better able to handle reality.

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Post by wlu_lax6 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:08 pm

Shaq Moore went 90 minutes in his 2nd La Liga appearance. Coach was full of praise.

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Post by drchuck » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:44 pm

tennbengal wrote:I'm still pretending this thread doesn't exists, but Chuck might be better able to handle reality.


Straight-up honesty: I'm trying to think of a thing I do differently than Sunil Gulati over the past seven years. I got nothin'.

I MIGHT have cut bait on Jurgen after the collapse in the Gold Cup rather than wait out a collapse against Costa Rica. I MIGHT have thrown Tab Ramos to the wolves after the sacking instead of calling on Il Bruce to return. But honestly, probably not. I was DANG certain we would at least get to 4th with Arena at the helm.

I still don't think anyone respected nearly enough just how HARD the Hex was. It was never pretty or free-flowing, was always my favorite soccer just for how meaningful every dang match was. Yeah, yeah, USA this and Mexico that, but Costa Rica-Honduras on the right night could be the most gripping drama imaginable. The necessity in finding a path to being dominant, for me, was always about never letting a situation develop where we COULD be drawn into the 3rd-place muck, because one cycle we'd get sucked in and never find our way out. And here we are.

On the night it all went down, I just had this weird feeling of happiness for Panama. Panama was about to knock Mexico out of this thing, remember, when the Yanks went on their late show and saved El Tri's bacon.

https://youtu.be/vFREXbDG_Qc

The thing I'll never forget about that is the despair in the Panamanian coaching staff; Panama was up 2-1 late and their collapse was total. It was so awful to see them so close and have the thing snatched away.

So, yes, even as dodgy as Panama's advancement was, I had a hard time begrudging them their joy, and I was a bit happy for them myself. And just a TINY bit bent that Mexico hadn't returned the favor when it came due.

But yeah, we're all bent that we have no Yanks in Russia. Good news! It's in Russia and it's guaranteed to be a stupid World Cup on a stupid network that I don't have to seek out.

Better news! The moneymen hate the USA being out of the World Cup about 1000% more than you do, so we're gonna expand this damnfool thing to 48 teams and kill off the most meaningful international competition in the region and the United States will never miss the World Cup again! Woo!

In conclusion, I hate everybody with even the tiniest role running this stupid sport, and I hate myself for loving it.

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Post by tennbengal » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:48 pm

I said “might”

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Post by P.D.X. » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:03 pm

2022 will also be a stupid WC, but hopefully we'll be in it.

(Bummed that I'll be in my 50's when I finally get to see my first.)

(If we make it that long.)

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Post by drchuck » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:52 pm

If it's a 48-team WC, we'll be in it even if we suck. I find all the crying over the fate of the USMNT hilarious right now because of how many conspiracies are afoot to make it easier on us, and on Italy, and on the Netherlands, and on the Ivory Coast, and on every other fashionable team that had a hard path through qualifying. It's the dang World Cup. It's supposed to be hard to make it.

I'm still here for this NIT-type thing that's been mooted. If the USA can't host the big thing, we can be the world's Madison Square Garden.
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Post by Sabo » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:48 am

I thought this was an interesting read about the state of soccer in the United States.

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2017/10/3 ... r-existed/
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Post by HaulCitgo » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:05 pm

Overly verbose style was kind of tough to wade through. Pretty much in two paragraphs:

Examining why on the men’s side the US failed to qualify for the last two Olympic cycles and the 2018 World Cup is essential and painstaking. Factors such as pay-to-play, affordable and available coaching education, the absence of an open and connected tiered professional system (promotion-relegation), the refusal of the USSF to incentivise and reward player development by way of solidarity payments and training compensation, the reliance of the restrictive collegiate system at a crucial age range, all play a pivotal role. Identifying and listing the obvious and not-so-obvious elements contributing the latest failure of the national team only tells part of the story.

If there is one, it is a truly open system where player development becomes an industry. Where investment in all tiers of the game is not a Ponzi scheme but a truly open and free market. Additionally, incentivising player and coaching development must be key drivers. Creating and fostering football as a cultural pillar is paramount.

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Post by wlu_lax6 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:26 pm

HaulCitgo wrote:Overly verbose style was kind of tough to wade through. Pretty much in two paragraphs:

Examining why on the men’s side the US failed to qualify for the last two Olympic cycles and the 2018 World Cup is essential and painstaking. Factors such as pay-to-play, affordable and available coaching education, the absence of an open and connected tiered professional system (promotion-relegation), the refusal of the USSF to incentivise and reward player development by way of solidarity payments and training compensation, the reliance of the restrictive collegiate system at a crucial age range, all play a pivotal role. Identifying and listing the obvious and not-so-obvious elements contributing the latest failure of the national team only tells part of the story.

If there is one, it is a truly open system where player development becomes an industry. Where investment in all tiers of the game is not a Ponzi scheme but a truly open and free market. Additionally, incentivising player and coaching development must be key drivers. Creating and fostering football as a cultural pillar is paramount.


I thought solidarity payments had some problems in the US legal system
ESPN Article on DeAndre Yedlin and Crossfire Premier lawsuit wrote:The concern that the U.S. Soccer has is that implementing RSTP in the U.S. could result in a restraint of trade and thus violate U.S. anti-trust law.

An additional wrinkle involves the case Fraser vs. MLS, that challenged the league's single-entity structure, but also involved the payment of transfer fees for out-of-contract players. MLS stated it wasn't requiring a fee for such players anyway, and promised not to do so in the future.

More critically, U.S. Soccer went one step further and entered into an agreement with the court -- a copy of which has been obtained by ESPN FC -- that also said it wouldn't enforce out-of-contract transfer fees, and included training and development compensation in that definition.

U.S. Soccer ultimately interpreted that agreement to mean that it couldn't require the payment of training compensation and solidarity payments under any circumstances. The case before FIFA's DRC is attempting to override that interpretation.

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Post by wlu_lax6 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:58 pm

US finished last at the Nike Friendlies. This is a U-17 top level event.

Brazil 7 pts (Beat the Dutch & England, Draw v. USA)
Dutch 6 pts (Beat England & US)
England 3 pts (Beat US)
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:39 pm

I hadn't seen this yesterday, but apparently Gulati announced he won't run again.

That's a start, at least.
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Post by The Sybian » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:52 pm

wlu_lax6 wrote:US finished last at the Nike Friendlies. This is a U-17 top level event.

Brazil 7 pts (Beat the Dutch & England, Draw v. USA)
Dutch 6 pts (Beat England & US)
England 3 pts (Beat US)
US of A 1 pt (1-1 draw v. Brazil)


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Post by wlu_lax6 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:23 am

Jonathan Klinsmann will be between the sticks for Hertha Berlin today in their Europa league game against Ostersunds FK. Hertha can't move out of the group stage but could spoil Ostersunds progress.

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wlu_lax6 wrote:Jonathan Klinsmann will be between the sticks for Hertha Berlin today in their Europa league game against Ostersunds FK. Hertha can't move out of the group stage but could spoil Ostersunds progress.


Highlights make it look like a very good game by Klinsmann. 1-1 Draw with some big saves. The goal against was a deflection. He also had a 87th minute PK stop.

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Post by wlu_lax6 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:27 am

Claudio Reyna's son, Gio, signed with an agent and Adidas. He is a NYCFC academy player and in the US National Team youth program.
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Post by mister d » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:33 am

I read he's headed for Europe (without a transfer fee) which sucks for NYCFC but is better for the ol' US of A.
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Post by wlu_lax6 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:54 am

So this kid from our club just signed a deal with Toluca. Got a snif with the U-15 US National Team but has dual citizenship. Decided to go pro instead of W&M or JMU.
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Post by wlu_lax6 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:22 pm

US put together a Youth National Team Camp with the top 5 youth age groups at the same time. A few things that are interesting to me
* Lots of Atlanta United at the older age groups
* A few kids at good youth setups in Europe (Man U, Ajax)


U-20
GOALKEEPERS (4): Eric Lopez (LA Galaxy; Los Angeles, Calif.), George Marks (North Carolina FC; Raleigh, N.C.), Trey Muse (Indiana University; Tukwila, Wash.), Brady Scott (FC Köln/GER; Petaluma, Calif.)

DEFENDERS (12): Gedion Davis (JMG Association Barcelona; Barcelona, Spain), Jaylin Lindsay (Sporting Kansas City; Charlotte, N.C.), Jack Maher (St. Louis FC; Caseyville, Ill.), Mark McKenzie (Wake Forest; Bear, Del.), Glademir Mendoza (Real Salt Lake; Phoenix, Ariz.), Manny Perez (North Carolina State; Garner, N.C.), Matthew Real (Bethlehem Steel FC; Drexel Hill, Pa.), James Sands (New York City FC; Rye, N.Y.), Aedan Stanley (Saintt. Louis FC; Columbia, Ill.), Angel Uribe (Club Tijuana/MEX; San Diego, Calif.), Sam Vines (Charlotte Independence; Charlotte, N.C.), Carson Vom Steeg (Stanford; Santa Barbara, Calif.)

MIDFIELDERS (12): Christian Cappis (FC Dallas; Katy, Texas), Andrew Carleton (Atlanta United FC; Powder Springs, Ga.), Jose Carranza (Unattached; Manassas, Va.), Chris Durkin (D.C. United; Glen Allen, Va.), Anthony Fontana (Bethlehem Steel FC; Newark, Del.), Chris Goslin (Atlanta United FC; Atlanta, Ga.), Brian Perez (Club Tijuana/MEX; San Diego, Calif.), Paxton Pomykal (FC Dallas; Highland Village, Texas), Brandon Servania (Wake Forest; Birmingham, Ala.), Greg Tracey (Colorado Rapids Academy; Arvada, Colo.), Juan Pablo Torres (Lokeren/BEL; Lilburn, Ga.), Noah Verhoeven (Vancouver Whitecaps FC/CAN; Surrey, B.C)

FORWARDS (8): Jonathan Amon (FC Nordsjaelland/DEN; Summerville, S.C.), Simon Becher (Oakwood Academy; Brooklyn, Conn.), Shaft Brewer (RB Leipzig/GER; Sacramento, Calif.), Griffin Dorsey (Indiana University; Evergreen, Colo.), Justin McMaster (Wake Forest; Atlanta, Ga.), Chris Nicola (Pateadores; Vancouver, Wash.), Nebiyou Perry (AIK/SWE; New York, N.Y), Justin Rennicks (Indiana University; Hamilton, Mass.

U-19
GOALKEEPERS (4): Alex Budnik (Sockers FC; Arlington Heights, Ill.), Sam Fowler (Seattle Sounders FC; Issaquah, Wash.), Justin Garces (Atlanta United FC; Miami, Fla.), Johan Penaranda (New York City FC; Long Beach, N.Y.)

DEFENDERS (8): Charlie Asensio (Atlanta United FC; Roswell, Ga.), Sergino Dest (Ajax/NED; Almere-Stad, Netherlands), Jean-Julien Foe Nuphaus (San Jose Earthquakes; San Jose, Calif.), Chris Gloster (Unattached; Montclair, N.J.), Aboubacar Keita (Columbus Crew SC; Columbus, Ohio), Rayshaun McGann (Atlanta United FC; Palm Beach, Fla.), Chris Richards (FC Dallas; Hoover, Ala.), Akil Watts (Portland Timbers; Fort Wayne, Ind.)

MIDFIELDERS (6): Brenden Aaronson (Philadelphia Union; Medford, N.J.), Franuel Amaya (Pateadores; Santa Ana, Calif.), Blaine Ferri (Solar Soccer Club; Southlake, Texas), Richard Ledezma (Real Salt Lake; Casa Grande, Ariz.), Isaiah Parente (Columbus Crew SC; Cleveland, Ohio), AJ Seals (Orlando City SC; Orlando, Fla.)

FORWARDS (6): Ayo Akinola (Toronto FC; Brampton, Ontario), Matt Hundley (Colorado Rapids; Littleton, Colo.), Zyen Jones (Atlanta United FC; Clarkston, Ga.), Josh Penn (Sockers FC; Naperville, Ill.), Jeremy Rafanello (Philadelphia Union; Delran, N.J.), Sebastian Soto (Real Salt Lake; Casa Grande, Ariz.)

U-18
GOALKEEPERS (4): Nick DeFreitas-Hansen (Everton/ENG; Southwest Ranches, Fla.), David Ochoa (Real Salt Lake; Oxnard, Calif,), Kris Shakes (Philadelphia Union; Austin, Texas), Collin Travasos (San Diego Surf Club; Encinitas, Calif.)

DEFENDERS (11): Jacob Akanyirige (San Jose Earthquakes; Pleasanton, Calif.), Julian Araujo (Barca Academy/ESP; Lompoc, Calif.), Nico Benalcazar (New York City FC; Wilton, Conn.), Kwabena Boateng (Sacramento Republic FC; Elk Grove, Calif.), Luke Hansen (Colorado Rapids; Littleton, Colo.), Ian Hoffman (Karlsuher SC/GER; Karlsruher, Germany), Nelson Martinez (D.C. United; Woodbrigde, Va.), David Mendoza (Chicago Fire; Gage Park, Ill.), Jose Olmos (Barca Academy/ESP; Inglewood, Calif.), Leonardo Sepulveda (LA Galaxy; Corona, Calif.), Nick Slonina (Chicago Fire; Addison, Ill.)

MIDFIELDERS (10): Taylor Booth (Unattached; Eden, Utah), Cameron Duke (Sporting Kansas City; Overland Park, Kan.), Hunter George (Sacramento Republic F.C.; Lincoln, Calif.), Roberto Hategan (Sacramento Republic F.C.; Chicago, Ill.), Aidan Morris (Columbus Crew SC; Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.), Owen Otasowie (Wolverhampton Wanderers/ENG; New York, N.Y.), Marcelo Palomino (Houston Dynamo; Houston, Texas), Stuart Ritchie (FC Groningen/NED; Pleaston, Calif.), Lawson Sunderland (Levante/ESP; Portland, Ore.), Will Vint (Manchester United/ENG; Chester, England)

FORWARDS (8): Justin Butler (Bayern Munich/GER; Augsburg, Germany), Quincy Butler (Sacramento Republic F.C.; Sacramento, Calif.), Cameron Harper (Pateadores; Newport Beach, Calif.), Jalen Hawkins (Bayern Munich/GER; Regensburg, Germany), Jake LaCava (Barca Academy/ESP; Gouverneur, N.Y.), Ulysses Llanez (LA Galaxy; Lynwood, Calif.), Axel Picazo (Philadelphia Union; Austin, Texas), Stefan Stojanovic (Sockers FC; Chicago, Ill.)

U-17
GOALKEEPERS (4): Aiden Hanes (Arsenal FC; Riverside, Calif.), John Tyler Harms (Shattuck-Saint Mary’s; Whitefish Bay, Wisc.), Damian Las (Chicago Fire; Chicago, Ill.), Marzuq Puckerin (FC Greater Boston Bolts; Cambridge, Mass.)

DEFENDERS (12): Axel Alejandre (FC United; Chicago, Ill.), Michael Barragan (Atlas/MEX; Guadalajara, Mexico), George Bello (Atlanta United FC; Douglasville, Ga.), Amir Daley (New York Red Bulls; Elmont, N.Y.), Zackery Farnsworth (Real Salt Lake; Sandy Utah), Tayvon Gray (New York City FC; Bronx, N.Y.), Owen Guske (Portland Timbers; Saint Johns, Fla.), Kobe Hernandez (LA Galaxy; Los Angeles, Calif.), Mason Judge (Chargers Soccer Club, Tampa, Fla.), Kenneth Nielsen (Pateadores; Irvine, Calif.), Joseph Scally (New York City FC, Lake Grove, N.Y.), John Tolkin (New York Red Bulls, Chatham, N.J.)

MIDFIELDERS (10): Emmanuel Ameres (Chargers Soccer Club; Palmetto, Fla.), Julian Anderson (Philadelphia Union; Ocean, N.J.), Luis Flores (Shattuck-Saint Mary’s; Half Moon Bay, Calif.), Gilbert Fuentes (San Jose Earthquakes; Tracy, Calif.), Bryang Kayo (D.C. United; Poolesville, Md.), Benjamin Redzic (FC Dallas; Carrollton, Texas), Louis Quin Rogers (De Anza Force; San Jose Calif.), Anthony Rouse (New York Soccer Club; Albany, N.Y.), Adam Saldana (Real So Cal; Panorama City, Calif.), Peter Stroud (New York Red Bulls; Chester, N.J.)

FORWARDS (10): Gianluca Busio (Sporting Kansas City; Greensboro, N.C.), Aboubacar Camara (Philadelphia Union; Philadelphia, Penn.), Cade Hagan (Sockers FC; Naperville, Ill.), Andres Jasson (New York City FC; Greenwich, Conn.), Diego Lopez (FC Golden State; Chino, Calif.), Alfonso Ocampo Chavez (Seattle Sounders FC; Fresno, Calif.), Joshua Pynadath (Ajax/NED; Amsterdam, Netherlands), Giovanni Reyna (New York City FC; Bedford Corners, N.Y.), Wasswa Robbins (Atlanta United FC; Atlanta, Ga.), Ray Serrano (Seattle Sounders FC; Graham, Wash.)

U-16

GOALKEEPERS (2): Gavin Krenecki (Sacramento Republic FC; Fair Oaks, Calif.), Jacob Morris (Real Colorado; Parker, Colo.)

DEFENDERS (8): Adrian Aguilar (LA Galaxy; Los Angeles, Calif.), Mauricio Cuevas (LA Galaxy; Los Angeles, Calif.), Jacob Greene (D.C. United; Crofton, Md.), Isaac Homer (Portland Timbers; Portland, Ore.), Ulysses Martinez (Portland Timbers; Mt. Angel, Ore.), Morris Matthews (New England Revolution; Cambridge, Mass.), Nico McMillan (Seattle Sounders FC; Seattle, Wash.), Casey Walls (San Jose Earthquakes; Mill Valley, Calif.)

MIDFIELDERS (8): Javier Casas (Chicago Fire; Addison, Ill.), Elton Chifamba (Columbus Crew SC Academy; Blacklick, Ohio), Caden Clark (Barca Academy/ESP; Medina, Minn.), Daniel Leyva (Seattle Sounders FC; Seattle, Wash.), Diego Luna (San Jose Earthquakes; Sunnyvale, Calif.), Jack McGlynn (BW Gottschee Academy; Middle Village, N.Y.), Alex Monis (FC United; Naperville, Ill.), Nicholas Pariano (Philadelphia Union; Ann Arbor, Mich.)

FORWARDS (6): Andres Cardinas (Weston FC; Doral, Fla.), Tyler Freeman (Sporting Kansas City; Shawnee, Kan.), Selmir Miscic (Philadelphia Union; Royersford, Pa.), Ricardo Pepi (FC Dallas; McKinney, Texas), Dante Sealy (FC Dallas; Frisco, Texas), Dantouma Toure (Players Development Academy; Trenton, N.J.)

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Post by wlu_lax6 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:04 am

US may lose one of the prominent youths.
http://www.espn.com/soccer/united-state ... n-gonzalez

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wlu_lax6 wrote:US may lose one of the prominent youths.
http://www.espn.com/soccer/united-state ... n-gonzalez


Another fuck up.

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tennbengal wrote:
wlu_lax6 wrote:US may lose one of the prominent youths.
http://www.espn.com/soccer/united-state ... n-gonzalez


Another fuck up.


Worse then Thomas Wrong-Again and Nevin Subotic?

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Post by tennbengal » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:35 am

I have no idea. Letting someone who was with the US National team from U14 on get away at this point is super incompetent.

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Post by wlu_lax6 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:55 pm

Reports are we lost him.

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Post by wlu_lax6 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:11 pm

Winter Camp Roster Below
----Going young in the coal. Hamid is the only goalie with time in net...So Sean Johnson not a candidate at all?
----Arriola, Zardes, and Morris are the vets...and Morris is coming off hamstring that ended his season early.

GOALKEEPERS (4): Alex Bono (Toronto FC/CAN; 0/0), Bill Hamid (Midtjylland/DEN; 4/0), Cody Cropper (New England Revolution; 0/0), Zack Steffen (Columbus Crew SC; 0/0)

DEFENDERS (9): Danny Acosta (Real Salt Lake; 0/0), Justen Glad (Real Salt Lake; 0/0), Nick Lima (San Jose Earthquakes; 0/0), Justin Morrow (Toronto FC/CAN; 3/0), Ike Opara (Sporting Kansas City; 0/0), Tim Parker (Vancouver Whitecaps FC/CAN; 0/0), Matt Polster (Chicago Fire; 0/0), Brandon Vincent (Chicago Fire; 1/0), Walker Zimmerman (Los Angeles Football Club; 1/0)

MIDFIELDERS (11): Tyler Adams (New York Red Bulls; 1/0), Paul Arriola (D.C. United; 15/2), Russell Canouse (D.C. United; 0/0), Marky Delgado (Toronto FC/CAN; 0/0), Marlon Hairston (Colorado Rapids; 0/0), Ian Harkes (D.C. United; 0/0), Brooks Lennon (Real Salt Lake; 0/0), Cristian Roldan (Seattle Sounders FC; 1/0), Kelyn Rowe (New England Revolution; 3/1), Wil Trapp (Columbus Crew SC; 2/0), Gyasi Zardes (LA Galaxy; 37/6)

FORWARDS (6): Juan Agudelo (New England Revolution; 27/3), Dom Dwyer (Orlando City SC; 4/2), Jordan Morris (Seattle Sounders FC; 24/5), Christian Ramirez (Minnesota United FC; 0/0), Rubio Rubin (Unattached; 4/0), CJ Sapong (Philadelphia Union; 3/0)

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Post by Nonlinear FC » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:24 pm

I'm not absolving the Fed, but a couple of things:

* - He wants a shot at playing in a WC. Dude just made the top XI in Mexican league. Having to wait until 2022 is a dagger.

* - Arena was in touch with the guy and wanted to bring him in. It's a fuck up that Sarachan or someone else in leadership dropped the ball, but... Kind of a lot of shit going on with the Fed right now.

I've got nothing against the kid doing this. And we've flipped a TON of dual citizen players out of Mexico over the years. Mostly because they had a much better shot at playing earlier than if they tried to go El Tri, but not all.

So, yeah, this is not good. It's also being blown a bit of proportion given the context.
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Post by mister d » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:44 pm

The rule is one single match played, right?
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Post by A_B » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:48 pm

mister d wrote:The rule is one single match played, right?



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Post by mister d » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:54 pm

And there wasn't anywhere they could have done that? Is this somehow harder than it appears?
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Post by wlu_lax6 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:58 pm

Only things that count are WC, WC Qualifiers and Gold Cup. We will also get this benefit (and playing competitive games with Mexico) from Concacaf league that starts in September.

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Post by brian » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:59 pm

mister d wrote:And there wasn't anywhere they could have done that? Is this somehow harder than it appears?


It's not as easy as it sounds to play an untested 18-year-old in a World Cup qualifier, yes.
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Post by mister d » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:07 pm

So maybe its my lack of background/knowledge here, but there are pretty deep benches for those matches, right? Is the bench from first to last so important or is he so far away that he couldn't have been on the bench to sub in for a blowout either way? Or are there like a half dozen kids like this at all times where you can't just assure against the rarities?
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Post by brian » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:10 pm

mister d wrote:So maybe its my lack of background/knowledge here, but there are pretty deep benches for those matches, right? Is the bench from first to last so important or is he so far away that he couldn't have been on the bench to sub in for a blowout either way? Or are there like a half dozen kids like this at all times where you can't just assure against the rarities?


Yeah, that's a fair point and they try to do that from time to time (it's a LOT easier with the prodigies/sure things like Pusilic).

I don't think this kid falls into that bucket. Coaches are risk-averse and don't want to risk roster spots on kids you're going to try and cap-tie in the unlikely event of a blowout. We obviously didn't have any room for error this WC cycle where the roster was concerned. With the benefit of hindsight at this point it would have been nice, but it wasn't realistic at the time.

ETA: I think it's important to add that the mere invitation to a WC qualifying training camp is usually enough to lock a lot of these dual-national kids down. Even if playing them in a game cap-ties them just bringing them to camp shows them that they're "valued" and they're going to get a shot eventually with the senior national team. But again, as good as this kid might be he's still a kid and was never going to get a serious look this WC cycle.
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Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread

Post by The Sybian » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:04 pm

mister d wrote:So maybe its my lack of background/knowledge here, but there are pretty deep benches for those matches, right? Is the bench from first to last so important or is he so far away that he couldn't have been on the bench to sub in for a blowout either way? Or are there like a half dozen kids like this at all times where you can't just assure against the rarities?


First, there are dozens of young guys out there who are eligible for multiple countries and have the potential to eventually be National Team players. Fans are always in a hurry to cap tie them (make them only eligible for USMNT), but most of them will never pan out, so you can't throw roster spots to these kids prematurely, as it's a crap shoot. In World Cup qualifying, the US doesn't start playing until Round 4 out of 5, so they only play 16 games in a qualifying cycle, and 3-5 games in the World Cup, so an average of 5 competitive games/year, plus the Gold Cup games. Adding the Copa America helps, assuming the US continues getting invited, that's another 3-5 every other year.

The National Team only has a few camps a year, and limited space, so they can't waste any spots. The coaches have a very limited time to see the players practice together, and beyond talent, it's crucial to get the right mix of players who play well together. The only way to figure that out, is to see them play together.

In other words, it's not as easy as it sounds to throw an untested 18 year old into a WC qualifier.
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