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Post by Nonlinear FC » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:57 pm

I completely forgot the game was on after a long day of yard work and then grilling and wine drinking. :D
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Post by degenerasian » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:57 pm

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Wait, we're going to struggle to qualify now? Because we had two shitty Friendly matches in the run-up to a third tier (well, to be fair, Oceania is horrid and in a possible 4th tier all by itself) confederation tournament in an off-year?

I went on a very long, very detailed rant about the Lost Generation and how it cost us qualifying last round. At this point, though, the young guys that are coming up but were way too young for the last cycle are going to need to flesh out the roster. Not having a bunch of late 20s and early 30s players shouldn't preclude us from qualifying for Qatar by any stretch.

This, however, is why I (and others) have been bitching about the Gold Cup roster. Where possible, bring in the guys you're going to need THREE YEARS from now. Get those guys blooded in a tournament, but one that really doesn't fucking matter. Especially now that they've disbanded/shutdown the Confederation's Cup. I mean, honestly, the GC is a pretty useless tournament. Use it wisely. If the powers that be won't give Berhalter the room he needs, if he makes the right case, then that's gonna be put back on them. In this country, the ONLY thing that matters to the general public and media is how we do in the WC. This should be a 3.5 year build up. Not something that we "really" focus on in terms of the player pool 3 months prior to WCQ. This is the short-sighted bullshit that caused the Lost Generation in the first place.
The problem is that the US hosts this thing every time, in big stadiums, for money. The US cannot field an under-23 team at this tournament for the prices that they charge tickets. It's all about greed. The tournament is setting up for a US-Mexico final at Soldier Field for $200 a ticket.

The tournament was held in Jamaica and Costa Rica this time. They should have one entire tournament outside the US. Surely the US can then field a weak squad when they are not hosting.
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:00 pm

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Not a single comment after the 6-0 revenge match over T&T? Sure, T&T looked really weak, but I'll take it. Pulisic looks sharp and hungry, Boyd is a threat against minnows, and I'm not overly excited, but hey, maybe he can be dangerous against good teams too?

I'm convinced they discovered Aaron Long smoking behind a high school in 1986, wearing a Metallica t-shirt.
Everyone is embarrassed that they impugned our new soccer overlord Zardes.
He did exactly what we discussed: Scored against a minnow.

I don't EVER root against a player to "prove my point." I learned from the BigSoccer days that going that route makes you a pretty miserable person (from observation, not from experience.) I hope Zardes proves us all wrong.
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Nonlinear FC wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:00 pm
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:16 pm
The Sybian wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:14 pm
Not a single comment after the 6-0 revenge match over T&T? Sure, T&T looked really weak, but I'll take it. Pulisic looks sharp and hungry, Boyd is a threat against minnows, and I'm not overly excited, but hey, maybe he can be dangerous against good teams too?

I'm convinced they discovered Aaron Long smoking behind a high school in 1986, wearing a Metallica t-shirt.
Everyone is embarrassed that they impugned our new soccer overlord Zardes.
He did exactly what we discussed: Scored against a minnow.

I don't EVER root against a player to "prove my point." I learned from the BigSoccer days that going that route makes you a pretty miserable person (from observation, not from experience.) I hope Zardes proves us all wrong.
I actually like Zardes, I just don't want him on the team taking minutes from guys with potential. I was thrilled when I read about him developing a holdup game and improving his first touch, but I just haven't seen it translate to the national team level. He is fast and always works hard, and will get some goals. It was funny, I was on the phone with my Mom while watching, and telling her Zardes sucks. After he scored 2, I insisted he still sucks, then he missed three golden opportunities in less than 20 seconds. I don't want to be right about him sucking, but I am, and Berhalter has to see that.
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Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread

Post by Nonlinear FC » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:06 pm

degenerasian wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:57 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:08 pm
Wait, we're going to struggle to qualify now? Because we had two shitty Friendly matches in the run-up to a third tier (well, to be fair, Oceania is horrid and in a possible 4th tier all by itself) confederation tournament in an off-year?

I went on a very long, very detailed rant about the Lost Generation and how it cost us qualifying last round. At this point, though, the young guys that are coming up but were way too young for the last cycle are going to need to flesh out the roster. Not having a bunch of late 20s and early 30s players shouldn't preclude us from qualifying for Qatar by any stretch.

This, however, is why I (and others) have been bitching about the Gold Cup roster. Where possible, bring in the guys you're going to need THREE YEARS from now. Get those guys blooded in a tournament, but one that really doesn't fucking matter. Especially now that they've disbanded/shutdown the Confederation's Cup. I mean, honestly, the GC is a pretty useless tournament. Use it wisely. If the powers that be won't give Berhalter the room he needs, if he makes the right case, then that's gonna be put back on them. In this country, the ONLY thing that matters to the general public and media is how we do in the WC. This should be a 3.5 year build up. Not something that we "really" focus on in terms of the player pool 3 months prior to WCQ. This is the short-sighted bullshit that caused the Lost Generation in the first place.
The problem is that the US hosts this thing every time, in big stadiums, for money. The US cannot field an under-23 team at this tournament for the prices that they charge tickets. It's all about greed. The tournament is setting up for a US-Mexico final at Soldier Field for $200 a ticket.

The tournament was held in Jamaica and Costa Rica this time. They should have one entire tournament outside the US. Surely the US can then field a weak squad when they are not hosting.
Agree to your overall point, but, really, you don't NEED Jozy Altidore on this squad. He just doesn't bring much and you can have a guy like Sargent start to make his own mark. Same thing with Zardes and (kind of depressing to say) Morris, who just aren't going to move much beyond what we know: Strong work rate and pretty likely to score against CONCACAF minnows. IOW, who gives a shit about getting them MNT minutes when we are working our way back into the mentality of a team that can fight for a spot in the Quarters and maybe further with some luck.
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:42 pm

World class save from Curacao's goalie there. He has been incredible this tournament.
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:49 pm

US being way too impatient. Launching medium/long balls when they should be building.
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Post by A_B » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:50 pm

Bradley wants nothing to do with the ball.
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:00 pm

Seriously, what the fuck.

They are trying to force 25-30 yard passes into the middle. That's their offense. WTF.

Use your skill advantage and beat them 2v1 in space. It's not fucking complicated. I don't understand the game plan here.
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:01 pm

Filthy.
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Post by A_B » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:02 pm

PuliSICK.
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:10 pm

PulAssist.





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Post by Nonlinear FC » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:13 pm

That shit right there, at the 35:40 mark, that's what I'm talking about. Ping the ball around, move off the ball, get it back...That's how you beat these teams.
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:15 pm

That play by Zardez after the TO is peak Zardez. He sucks. Sorry.
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Post by A_B » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:17 pm

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That play by Zardez after the TO is peak Zardez. He sucks. Sorry.
It was a weird hold up.
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Post by A_B » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:20 pm

I think we are going to need a second.
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:22 pm

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I think we are going to need a second.
Felt that way the last 10 minutes. They dangerous on the CK, too.
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Post by Square Rob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:38 pm

That was the least interesting and lowest intensity us performance I’ve seen in a long time. They were garbage.

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Post by HaulCitgo » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:53 pm

Square Rob wrote:
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That was the least interesting and lowest intensity us performance I’ve seen in a long time. They were garbage.
If so, I'd say a major step.

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Post by tennbengal » Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:55 am

Nonlinear FC wrote:
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That play by Zardez after the TO is peak Zardez. He sucks. Sorry.
He's absolutely awful. And he's gonna start as long as his coach is in place.

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Post by tennbengal » Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:56 am

Square Rob wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:38 pm
That was the least interesting and lowest intensity us performance I’ve seen in a long time. They were garbage.
This is accurate.

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Post by govmentchedda » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:55 am

That was rough, and Curacao were waaaay better than I ever expected they would be. Apparently if a Dutch national has any Curacaoan(?) heritage, they can play for them. Wish I'd looked at the roster, or listened to the Total Soccer Show guys, before wagering on US -2.
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:44 am

Yeah, all three of the ABC islands can pull that move. Just like Martinique call pull French nationals with heretical ties to the island, Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao can pull from Dutch players.

There are few other small protectorate type deals that aren't countries but are members of CONCACAF, I'm just too lazy to go hunt them down.
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Post by brian » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:45 am

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Yeah, all three of the ABC islands can pull that move. Just like Martinique call pull French nationals with heretical ties to the island, Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao can pull from Dutch players.

There are few other small protectorate type deals that aren't countries but are members of CONCACAF, I'm just too lazy to go hunt them down.
Puerto Rico for one, IIRC.
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Post by The Sybian » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:46 am

govmentchedda wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:55 am
That was rough, and Curacao were waaaay better than I ever expected they would be. Apparently if a Dutch national has any Curacaoan(?) heritage, they can play for them. Wish I'd looked at the roster, or listened to the Total Soccer Show guys, before wagering on US -2.
If I heard correctly, there isn't a single player on the team born or raised in Curacao. While the US performance is still worrisome and embarrassing, Curacao was a decent team. And having watched the Jamaica v. Panama game, I'm confident Curacao would have beaten both of those teams yesterday. I feel like CONCACAF is in a slide at the moment. I haven't seen much beyond the US games, but what I have seen is very underwhelming.
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The Sybian wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:46 am
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:55 am
That was rough, and Curacao were waaaay better than I ever expected they would be. Apparently if a Dutch national has any Curacaoan(?) heritage, they can play for them. Wish I'd looked at the roster, or listened to the Total Soccer Show guys, before wagering on US -2.
If I heard correctly, there isn't a single player on the team born or raised in Curacao. While the US performance is still worrisome and embarrassing, Curacao was a decent team. And having watched the Jamaica v. Panama game, I'm confident Curacao would have beaten both of those teams yesterday. I feel like CONCACAF is in a slide at the moment. I haven't seen much beyond the US games, but what I have seen is very underwhelming.
Well Haiti came back from 2-0 at halftime to win 3-0 (although one of the goals was howler between the goalie and back).
CR took Mexico to PKs.
Jamaica once again thinks the Gold Cup is the World Cup and brings there best game to this tournament. If only they would do the same during the Hex (wait sometimes they don't even make that).

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Post by Nonlinear FC » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:56 am

Panama should've won that game, they just don't have anyone that can score. The PK call was technically correct, but man... They need to look at the new rule on handling. There needs to be some objective scrutiny of those calls. It's one thing when a guy comes in on a challenge with his arms flailing around and a shot hits an outstretched appendage.

If you haven't seen the play, two guys going up for a header, ball skims off the JAM players head and hits the wrist of the PAN player, whose arm is raised in the natural motion of jumping. Again, it was the right call, but it sure felt shitty.

Oh, and it happened, literally, in the patch of turf at the very top corner of the penalty box. Super unlucky for Pan.
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Nonlinear FC wrote:
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Panama should've won that game, they just don't have anyone that can score. The PK call was technically correct, but man... They need to look at the new rule on handling. There needs to be some objective scrutiny of those calls. It's one thing when a guy comes in on a challenge with his arms flailing around and a shot hits an outstretched appendage.

If you haven't seen the play, two guys going up for a header, ball skims off the JAM players head and hits the wrist of the PAN player, whose arm is raised in the natural motion of jumping. Again, it was the right call, but it sure felt shitty.

Oh, and it happened, literally, in the patch of turf at the very top corner of the penalty box. Super unlucky for Pan.
Yeah it was brutal. You wonder if you can give the officials some way to make a handball in the box less severe. A pull back to the edge of the box or make it indirect.

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Post by wlu_lax6 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:10 pm

So I went to the DC United- TFC game on Saturday night and sat in the corner near the area where DC Bench players get their fitness. DC v. TFC with no paul arriola, Jozy, or Bradley was a bit different than expectations. However the thing that I really noticed was DC United's 16 year old Griffin Yow. He is a USYNT captain and homegrown signing. Kid is really good player and has been putting the bones in onion bag for Loudon United (DC's USL team). However, while all of the other players were working hard doing fitness (When you go to a game you see lots of bench guys run around during the game and after the game to get some fitness work). Well Yow just was going half speed and cutting corners on all of the footwork. I am not a scout, but that is never a good thing to see. Hope that is not telling of his work ethic as he and Chris Durkin are two youngsters who have US Soccer excited about their development.

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wlu_lax6 wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:51 am
The Sybian wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:46 am
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:55 am
That was rough, and Curacao were waaaay better than I ever expected they would be. Apparently if a Dutch national has any Curacaoan(?) heritage, they can play for them. Wish I'd looked at the roster, or listened to the Total Soccer Show guys, before wagering on US -2.
If I heard correctly, there isn't a single player on the team born or raised in Curacao. While the US performance is still worrisome and embarrassing, Curacao was a decent team. And having watched the Jamaica v. Panama game, I'm confident Curacao would have beaten both of those teams yesterday. I feel like CONCACAF is in a slide at the moment. I haven't seen much beyond the US games, but what I have seen is very underwhelming.
Well Haiti came back from 2-0 at halftime to win 3-0 (although one of the goals was howler between the goalie and back).
CR took Mexico to PKs.
Jamaica once again thinks the Gold Cup is the World Cup and brings there best game to this tournament. If only they would do the same during the Hex (wait sometimes they don't even make that).

I was just referring to the level of skills and quality of soccer, not the scores and outcomes of the game.
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Post by The Sybian » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:37 pm

Watching Haiti vs Mexico, and it's like Haiti has 5 Gyasi Zardi on the field. Quick, but no fucking ability to control the ball.
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Post by tennbengal » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:12 pm

Prior to the weather delay- that’s the best stretch I’ve seen from the US national men’s team in literally at least two years.

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Post by The Sybian » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:16 pm

Anybody watching? Jamaican goalie has to do better on directing the rebound away from the middle
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Post by Rex » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:59 pm

I'm legit shocked we beat Jamaica

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Anybody watching? Jamaican goalie has to do better on directing the rebound away from the middle
The delay took me out - re-start after 11 est and I was asleep. Glad to see the aggression forward early and I guess they mostly maintained that. Zardes remains a living nightmare.

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Post by govmentchedda » Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:14 pm

Drove home from Rays game during the rain delay, then stayed up until about the 70th minute. Curacao looked much better than Jamaica.
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:06 pm

The minutes leading up to the rain delay was the best I've seen the US play under Berhalter and it legit should've been 3-0, 2-0 if you want to be charitable. US was slashing and gashing and it was moving towards a blowout when lightning came on the scene.

US still bossed the game for the most part and the scoreline was pretty fair, though I'm not sure JAM "deserved" their goal all that much.

Very encouraging, particularly the midfield. It also (hopefully) showed Berhalter that not only does he not need Zardes or Altidore in that traditional forward position, but they are much better off with all those guys with handle, attacking in numbers with quick movement but more important the skill to break the D down in 2-1, 3-2 triangle play. Both Zardes and Altidore are useless for that. Morris, for example, brings a ton to the table in that other style.
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Post by The Sybian » Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:24 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote:
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The minutes leading up to the rain delay was the best I've seen the US play under Berhalter and it legit should've been 3-0, 2-0 if you want to be charitable. US was slashing and gashing and it was moving towards a blowout when lightning came on the scene.

US still bossed the game for the most part and the scoreline was pretty fair, though I'm not sure JAM "deserved" their goal all that much.

Very encouraging, particularly the midfield. It also (hopefully) showed Berhalter that not only does he not need Zardes or Altidore in that traditional forward position, but they are much better off with all those guys with handle, attacking in numbers with quick movement but more important the skill to break the D down in 2-1, 3-2 triangle play. Both Zardes and Altidore are useless for that. Morris, for example, brings a ton to the table in that other style.
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Post by A_B » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:14 pm

Why would you not let Pulisic continue as captain?
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