NFL 2017 Week 11 - the week the Millennials ruined football

[brian]

Odds against this have to be in the neighborhood of 10 million to 1, but would totally be worth it to see the NFL media and fans burn down.

https://twitter.com/JoeNFL/status/932730070858379270

[degenerasian]

playoffs!!??? I just hope we can win another game! any game!

[Pruitt]

Just to point out the shocking fact that the Browns are...

0-10 this season

1-25 since kickoff of 2016 season

1-32 in their last 33 games

4-43 in their last 47 games

I looked, there has never been anything like this in NFL history.

[brian]

Lions had a stretch where they were 1-26 and 3-37 during their nadir 10 years ago but the Browns are giving that kind of futility a run for the money.

[L-Jam3]

Yeah, but as bad as the Lions were back then, they actually had a few pieces. Megatron was starting to come into his own, and they totally hit on the Stafford pick in 09. That second one is key. They were able to parlay that annis horriblus into a bona fide QB.

The Browns, OTOH, I can't see any real building blocks when I squint.

[brian]

Yeah, but as bad as the Lions were back then, they actually had a few pieces. Megatron was starting to come into his own, and they totally hit on the Stafford pick in 09. That second one is key. They were able to parlay that annis horriblus into a bona fide QB.

The Browns, OTOH, I can't see any real building blocks when I squint.

That's a good point. As a Lion fan, we could see a light out of the tunnel in 2009 (not so much in 2008). Stafford was pretty much a consensus #1 pick in that 2009 draft, but doesn't look like there's the same payoff for the Browns this year. I'm pretty high in a general sense on Rosen, Darnold and Allen but I don't think any of them have the kind of profile you're looking for in a #1 overall QB. Then again, I felt the same way about Goff and I might end up eating my words on that one.

[Gunpowder]

Those Lions had like 4 pieces. The Browns have no real QB and no WRs (for now), but elsewhere they probably have more talent.

Just no HoF talent like Megatron and no QB, which are important, but they are probably one good draft away from being decent. That draft will prob never happen tho.

[brian]

This is just about literally the first picture I've ever seen of Jim Caldwell smiling. I wish I knew what he was asked.

https://twitter.com/Justin_Rogers/statu ... 9014930434

[brian]

I feel a little gross. It's like seeing your parents naked or something.

[Moreta]

That really is disturbing.

[Sabo]

The Browns, OTOH, I can't see any real building blocks when I squint.

There's no doubt the Browns, in whole, are a hot pile of garbage. But don't forget they're the youngest team in the NFL by far. The defense has improved markedly - they have the 8th best defense overall (6th best rush defense, 15th best pass defense) - and they have some good, young players on that side of the ball:

Myles Garrett
Danny Shelton
Emmanuel Ogbah (who was having a Pro Bowl-caliber year until he broke his foot last weekend)
Christian Kirksey
Jamie Collins
Briean Boddy-Calhoun (PFF rates him much higher than other scouting services, but whatever)

Jason McCourty is having an excellent year too, but he's not considered a building block because of his age.

On offense, the only non-OL player who's worth a damn is Duke Johnson. Corey Coleman might pan out, but he's been hurt so much it's hard to know.

My biggest fear this offseason is Haslam will blow everything up again. If he's going to make a change, I hope he'll hire a true football executive (and please, PLEASE let it not be Peyton Manning) to strike a balance between the front office and the coaching staff. I don't think the analytics approach they're taking is bad, but they need someone with a football mind to make the final decision instead of just relying on stats. (Insert Joe Morgan joke here.) And please, PLEASE do not fire Hue Jackson. He's made some poor decisions this year (most notably benching Kizer twice this season), but the players love him and I think in the long run he'll be a good head coach. He just needs time (and a QB who can protect the ball and receivers who can actually catch the fucking ball).

[L-Jam3]

Brain fart. I totally forgot about Garrett. He's the fucking real deal.

[Gunpowder]

I feel a little gross. It's like seeing your parents naked or something.

Haaaa, that's the perfect description of it.

[Gunpowder]

The Browns, OTOH, I can't see any real building blocks when I squint.

There's no doubt the Browns, in whole, are a hot pile of garbage. But don't forget they're the youngest team in the NFL by far. The defense has improved markedly - they have the 8th best defense overall (6th best rush defense, 15th best pass defense) - and they have some good, young players on that side of the ball:

Myles Garrett
Danny Shelton
Emmanuel Ogbah (who was having a Pro Bowl-caliber year until he broke his foot last weekend)
Christian Kirksey
Jamie Collins
Briean Boddy-Calhoun (PFF rates him much higher than other scouting services, but whatever)

Jason McCourty is having an excellent year too, but he's not considered a building block because of his age.

On offense, the only non-OL player who's worth a damn is Duke Johnson. Corey Coleman might pan out, but he's been hurt so much it's hard to know.

My biggest fear this offseason is Haslam will blow everything up again. If he's going to make a change, I hope he'll hire a true football executive (and please, PLEASE let it not be Peyton Manning) to strike a balance between the front office and the coaching staff. I don't think the analytics approach they're taking is bad, but they need someone with a football mind to make the final decision instead of just relying on stats. (Insert Joe Morgan joke here.) And please, PLEASE do not fire Hue Jackson. He's made some poor decisions this year (most notably benching Kizer twice this season), but the players love him and I think in the long run he'll be a good head coach. He just needs time (and a QB who can protect the ball and receivers who can actually catch the fucking ball).

If Josh Gordon comes back, and he is close to what he was before, and he doesn't start drinking and smoking crack and all the shit that these thugs do today that Lawrence Taylor totally didn't do before every game when Reagan was Prez and America was America, then they also have the best WR I've ever seen in my life and possibly the only one I'd take over Megatron. (I am also partial to AB of course).

'Tron was the most unholy combination of speed, size and strength to possibly grace this Earth, but Gordon is maybe stronger, close enough in speed but has WR talent/skill/etc. that I don't think Megatron could match. Don't get me wrong, it's not like Johnson was just coasting on ability, but Gordon does all that route running and body control and finding soft spots and catching away from his body to avoid pass breakups and everything that technicians like DeAndre Hopkins do. He's unreal.

[A_B]

If Josh Gordon comes back, and he is close to what he was before, and he doesn't start drinking and smoking crack and all the shit that these thugs do today that Lawrence Taylor totally didn't do before every game when Reagan was Prez and America was America, then they also have the best WR I've ever seen in my life and possibly the only one I'd take over Megatron. (I am also partial to AB of course).

'Tron was the most unholy combination of speed, size and strength to possibly grace this Earth, but Gordon is maybe stronger, close enough in speed but has WR talent/skill/etc. that I don't think Megatron could match. Don't get me wrong, it's not like Johnson was just coasting on ability, but Gordon does all that route running and body control and finding soft spots and catching away from his body to avoid pass breakups and everything that technicians like DeAndre Hopkins do. He's unreal.

I appreciate it but I think my best days are behind me.

[Gunpowder]

You've still got one last All-Pro season in you, man.