Super Bowl LII thread - Eagles vs Pats II - Backup Boogaloo

[sancarlos]

Word that in addition to missing curfew, Butler was found in possession of pot and blew up on the coaches when confronted.

Well, it's not quite Eugene Robinson soliciting a hooker on the night before the game... but, it will probably go down in Super Bowl lore.

[A_B]

Word that in addition to missing curfew, Butler was found in possession of pot and blew up on the coaches when confronted.

Well, it's not quite Eugene Robinson soliciting a hooker on the night before the game... but, it will probably go down in Super Bowl lore.

Unless it's a planted story to make Belichick look better.

[mister d]

Its unfair that we can't go back in time and tell Pats fans "Malcolm Butler is going to dress, not be injured but also not play at all" to see what they'd say ahead of time.

[mister d]

Unless it's a planted story to make Belichick look better.

Wooooooo!!!!!!!

[brian]

Less about Nick Foles' package and more of this pls.

[DaveInSeattle]

My GF looked at the score last night around the end of the 4th qtr, so we ended up watching the end of the game.

- Maybe its because I haven't watched football all season, but wow, Chris Collinsworth is terrible.
-No one knows what a 'catch' is anymore. And the more they try to refine it, the worse it gets.
-My thought on the Ertz touchdown was that he should have knelt down at the one, rather then reaching for the end zone, so the Eagles could run more time off the clock.
-I thought for sure Brady was going to move the ball back down the field, and the Pats would score with no time left to win the game prior to the Strip-sack.

-One other thing...when Nick Foles was playing at Arizona, one of the local radio guys (former UW and NFL journeyman QB Hugh Millen) called Nick Foles the "least athletic QB" he'd ever seen. I don't know...he looked pretty damn good from what I saw. Some team is going to WAY overpay for him this offseason.

Congrats to the Eagles fans!

[Joe K]

I agree that Collinsworth

My GF looked at the score last night around the end of the 4th qtr, so we ended up watching the end of the game.

- Maybe its because I haven't watched football all season, but wow, Chris Collinsworth is terrible.

I don’t think I watched any NBC games all year and I also found Collinsworth to be pretty unbearable last night. His analysis of the TD reviews was bad (FWIW, I think the refs got both right) and he went way over the top in praising the Eagles Play-call on the Burton to Foles pass. It was a nice play design, for sure, but as others have pointed out it was a pretty obviously correct strategy to go for it there, especially against a team as explosive as the Patriots. The same was true of their 4th down conversion to Ertz late in the game. It goes to show how overly conservative NFL coaches are that employing competent strategy made Doug Pederson seem like a revolutionary.

[brian]

I feel last night's game was possibly revolutionary in that regard in that it might offer a definitive point when that kind conservative coaching officially fell out of favor. You had already started to see a lot more aggressive decisions on 4th and 1 in recent years and there's a whole new generation of coaches that are coming into the league that were raised on playing Madden and who the fuck punts in Madden on 4th and 1 or kicks field goals inside the two?

[HaulCitgo]

It doesn't come up heads everytime. Thinking you have to keep up with the pats is the quickest way to lose. First don't beat yourself. Philly did it the hard way. Jax had the better game plan. I was pretty surprised how easy Brady had it with the front seven. He was even able to stand in and fling it in the first half. I'd say Philly won because pats failed to execute in first half more so than coaches aggressiveness though philly offensive execution was good.

[Johnnie]

My GF looked at the score last night around the end of the 4th qtr, so we ended up watching the end of the game.

-No one knows what a 'catch' is anymore. And the more they try to refine it, the worse it gets.

The problem is, with HD and super slo-mo you can pinpoint fractions of a second where the slightest movement happens to a football while being possessed. That leads people to think that in real time a "bobble" happened and a "bobble" is not a catch.

That real time bobble where you think the catch isn't a catch is literally 1/6th of a second or less. To think that for that little amount of time there isn't possession is unreasonable and ridiculous. So that's where we are. With people like Collinsworth questioning everything.

This isn't a perfect analogy, but doesn't a basketball player "possess" the ball as he's dribbling it even though the ball is nowhere near his hand as it bounces at times? And if you look at movement slowed down to fractions of a second you're only going to hurt your own brain. Like, go to a science museum and play a strobe light with water running. It's a series of drips when "slowed down" and a constant stream at normal speed simultaneously.

-One other thing...when Nick Foles was playing at Arizona, one of the local radio guys (former UW and NFL journeyman QB Hugh Millen) called Nick Foles the "least athletic QB" he'd ever seen. I don't know...he looked pretty damn good from what I saw. Some team is going to WAY overpay for him this offseason.

I had season tickets to the U of A while he was there. He wasn't that good of a QB. "Least athletic QB" is unnecessary hyperbole. There were plenty of times Gronk made him look competent, but the U of A offense was stagnant. It's probably a matter of coaching more than ability.

[BSF21]

My GF looked at the score last night around the end of the 4th qtr, so we ended up watching the end of the game.

-No one knows what a 'catch' is anymore. And the more they try to refine it, the worse it gets.

The problem is, with HD and super slo-mo you can pinpoint fractions of a second where the slightest movement happens to a football while being possessed. That leads people to think that in real time a "bobble" happened and a "bobble" is not a catch.

That real time bobble where you think the catch isn't a catch is literally 1/6th of a second or less. To think that for that little amount of time there isn't possession is unreasonable and ridiculous. So that's where we are. With people like Collinsworth questioning everything.

This isn't a perfect analogy, but doesn't a basketball player "possess" the ball as he's dribbling it even though the ball is nowhere near his hand as it bounces at times? And if you look at movement slowed down to fractions of a second you're only going to hurt your own brain. Like, go to a science museum and play a strobe light with water running. It's a series of drips when "slowed down" and a constant stream at normal speed simultaneously.

This is exactly it. If a guy is juggling the ball on his way out of bounds, it's pretty obvious. Whatever they were trying to review in the back of the end zone, I don't get. Catches the ball and then there's argument from 2 people at the party (pats fans) that "I know what you're saying but by the rules that's not a catch because..." -- Bullshit. Catches are like pornography. I know it when I see it. Between this and offsides in the NHL, they're going to legislate these leagues into the ground. Not about player safety but about how good HD camera tech can get.

[L-Jam3]

Isn't offsides in the NHL treated like the phantom tag at 2nd on an obvious double play ball or palming when dribbling, where as long as it's not egregious they let it go?

The catch rule is especially worrisome since all scoring plays get reviewed. Do they still defer to the head ref on those? So Steratore could conceivably tell the replay official "fuck you, he caught it. A slight nudge isn't a bobble" on the Clement TD?

[mister d]

Nooooooo. They’ll call offsides for a skate in the air as part of the natural skating motion. NHL is closer to how MLB now calls guys out who bounce a little on the bag they’re sliding into.

[sancarlos]

Nooooooo. They’ll call offsides for a skate in the air as part of the natural skating motion. NHL is closer to how MLB now calls guys out who bounce a little on the bag they’re sliding into.

I'm guessing (hoping) that the NHL changes the offside rule slightly to make it so the skate doesn't have to be on the ice, just not past the line.

[mister d]

I'm really dug in over making it real time versus "hey, they scored, now lets look".

[brian]

It doesn't come up heads everytime. Thinking you have to keep up with the pats is the quickest way to lose. First don't beat yourself. Philly did it the hard way. Jax had the better game plan. I was pretty surprised how easy Brady had it with the front seven. He was even able to stand in and fling it in the first half. I'd say Philly won because pats failed to execute in first half more so than coaches aggressiveness though philly offensive execution was good.

For what it's worth even though he's old I'm including Belichick in the ranks of coaches who eschew conservatism. It has paid off for him over the years.

[BSF21]

I'm really dug in over making it real time versus "hey, they scored, now lets look".

Yep, max 10 seconds from that time. You press a button, play stops, they look.

[mister d]

I don't even want play stopped. As simple as "some assistant on each team gets __ preliminary offsides challenges" and they have to have a hand up within like 2 seconds of the puck going over the blue line. If there's no goal, its ignored. If there is and a prelim challenge was made, they go to video. If it was offsides without a prelim, too bad.

[BSF21]

I don't even want play stopped. As simple as "some assistant on each team gets __ preliminary offsides challenges" and they have to have a hand up within like 2 seconds of the puck going over the blue line. If there's no goal, its ignored. If there is and a prelim challenge was made, they go to video. If it was offsides without a prelim, too bad.

Oh I like this. Still like the 2 minutes if you're wrong?

And the #1 thing is no one cares if the skate is on the ice or not.

[mister d]

I don't know? I don't love penalizing a challenge but I guess that could lead to useless challenges. Like maybe we'd see a blade curve challenge every game if there weren't the downside attached.

[sancarlos]

Found this via Deadspin. Former NFL quarterback Dan Orlovsky tweeted this video, and provides some great analysis you'll never get from Cris Collinsworth.