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sancarlos wrote: Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:53 pm Pierre kept going on and on about their young stud...that's still in juniors.
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degenerasian wrote: Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:07 pm NHL Playoffs on the Golf Channel! FORE!
Makes complete sense....that is what most hockey players are doing right now anyway (and Caps do after 1 round of playoffs every year).

Actually this is the state of broadcasters. You have to spread your content across channels to ensure you get your channels on the most basic cable packages so you can maximize your revenue. Golf channel is ~$0.35/subscriber/month (Generates ~320M a year). I would feel less annoyed about this but real content on these channels is not much. A big chunk of time is just infomercials, reruns, and such. Not enough good content to justify the number of channels these companies push.
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Devils twitter is fired up about the non call on Kuch's hit that knocked Vatanen out of the game.

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If we were foolish enough to expect any sort of consistency from the DOPS, and then compare that to the hit that got Doughty suspended, Devils twitter might have a point (at least more than enough to get fired up on twitter). If nothing else, he clearly jumped into him.
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I watch very little hockey, but that hit looked like he targeted the head and left the ice for a second. I say dirty hit.
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sancarlos wrote: Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:53 pm Pierre kept going on and on about their young stud goalie that's still in juniors.
Flyers have had young stud goalies in Juniors for decades. It is frustrating, although I think Elliot hasn't fully recovered from his sports hernia surgery, which is part of the problem.
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It has to be something organizational with the Flyers. Lindbergh was amazing, and Hextall won the Venzina his rookie season in '87, and then nothing since. Just look at the last 20 or so years when they've been consistently above average to "elite". They had Brian Boucher in their farm system and in his early years who they traded and had the longest shutout streak in modern history. They also had Sergei Bobrosky in their farm system and his early years who they traded and now won two Vezina trophies. Roman Checkmanek and Ilya Brzgalov were top-level netminders for other teams, then come here and decompose. Is it their goalie coaching and/or scouting? I just don't get it. I'm convinced they could go in the DeLorean and get Vladimir Tretiak out of 1974 and they'd somehow ruin him.
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Man I don't know how I feel about that Kucherov hit.

He looks like he shuffles mid stride there and I can't tell if he's jumping or just keeping his feet through the hit. He doesn't charge him by any stretch, he's not pumping on the way in. He doesn't elbow him but he does bring it up during the follow through of the hit. Looks to me like he's lining up clean and gets ahead of him and catches the head.

This is the type of hit that makes me concerned about blanket rules about "if there's head contact" and what not.

I've watched it 15 times now and I don't really know how to feel about it, but my gut says this doesn't fall under dirty. Feel free to disagree, I'm not even sure I agree with me.
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It probably wasn't illegal, but I'd love to just see those type of hits eliminated altogether.
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mister d wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:07 am It probably wasn't illegal, but I'd love to just see those type of hits eliminated altogether.
I think the hard part is that almost that exact same hit (from the side, offensive player in possession skating forwards) happens probably 20 times per game and it's what most of us that watch would consider a clean exchange. You're using your body to separate a player from the puck while it's in his possession, easy way to do that is to hit him horizontally while he's skating vertically, ice wise. At the pro level, 15/20 times its a normal hit, side to side or shoulder to shoulder and a battle ensues or one player loses his feet, 4/20 times the checking player is late and there's not hit at all, and 1/20 times, this play happens.

I'd love for the 1/20 time play to not happen, but as long as body checking is legal, you're going to have guys miss their target. I will say it in no way looks like Kucherov is lining him up and finishing through his head. Even the way he acted afterwards. Though I admit it's hard to read intent over 15 seconds of video.
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duff wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:06 am I watch very little hockey, but that hit looked like he targeted the head and left the ice for a second. I say dirty hit.
That is the text book example of hits that need to be suspended. Put his shoulder right into the guys jaw.
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BSF21 wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:15 am
mister d wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:07 am It probably wasn't illegal, but I'd love to just see those type of hits eliminated altogether.
I think the hard part is that almost that exact same hit (from the side, offensive player in possession skating forwards) happens probably 20 times per game and it's what most of us that watch would consider a clean exchange. You're using your body to separate a player from the puck while it's in his possession, easy way to do that is to hit him horizontally while he's skating vertically, ice wise. At the pro level, 15/20 times its a normal hit, side to side or shoulder to shoulder and a battle ensues or one player loses his feet, 4/20 times the checking player is late and there's not hit at all, and 1/20 times, this play happens.

I'd love for the 1/20 time play to not happen, but as long as body checking is legal, you're going to have guys miss their target. I will say it in no way looks like Kucherov is lining him up and finishing through his head. Even the way he acted afterwards. Though I admit it's hard to read intent over 15 seconds of video.

That play needs to be erased from the game. Period.

I'm not saying that it was a "dirty" hit. But it's avoidable and they need to start enforcing rules about hits to the head.

Dryden's Player's Tribune article can speak for me: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us ... for-action

And I will just say this: When the NHL instituted a no nonsense, unambiguous rule about high sticking it seemed controversial at the time: You touch somebody's face with a stick, you are going to the box. I really don't see why you can't do the same thing for hits to the head. You put an elbow, glove or shoulder into a guy's dome, you go to the box.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:23 am
BSF21 wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:15 am
mister d wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:07 am It probably wasn't illegal, but I'd love to just see those type of hits eliminated altogether.
I think the hard part is that almost that exact same hit (from the side, offensive player in possession skating forwards) happens probably 20 times per game and it's what most of us that watch would consider a clean exchange. You're using your body to separate a player from the puck while it's in his possession, easy way to do that is to hit him horizontally while he's skating vertically, ice wise. At the pro level, 15/20 times its a normal hit, side to side or shoulder to shoulder and a battle ensues or one player loses his feet, 4/20 times the checking player is late and there's not hit at all, and 1/20 times, this play happens.

I'd love for the 1/20 time play to not happen, but as long as body checking is legal, you're going to have guys miss their target. I will say it in no way looks like Kucherov is lining him up and finishing through his head. Even the way he acted afterwards. Though I admit it's hard to read intent over 15 seconds of video.

That play needs to be erased from the game. Period.

I'm not saying that it was a "dirty" hit. But it's avoidable and they need to start enforcing rules about hits to the head.

Dryden's Player's Tribune article can speak for me: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us ... for-action

And I will just say this: When the NHL instituted a no nonsense, unambiguous rule about high sticking it seemed controversial at the time: You touch somebody's face with a stick, you are going to the box. I really don't see why you can't do the same thing for hits to the head. You put an elbow, glove or shoulder into a guy's dome, you go to the box.
I understand the need to remove hits to the head entirely. I'm with you there. Any thoughts about the rest of what I mentioned? I'm just trying to make it clear that it's very hard to eliminate entirely when body checking is legal. Mistakes happen. Guys are different heights, guys are changing levels, sometimes one player makes a move that the other is not anticipating. I don't disagree with you, I want to see these hits gone as much as anyone. But this just didn't look like a guy lining up to Marchand someone in my opinion.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:23 am
BSF21 wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:15 am
mister d wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:07 am It probably wasn't illegal, but I'd love to just see those type of hits eliminated altogether.
I think the hard part is that almost that exact same hit (from the side, offensive player in possession skating forwards) happens probably 20 times per game and it's what most of us that watch would consider a clean exchange. You're using your body to separate a player from the puck while it's in his possession, easy way to do that is to hit him horizontally while he's skating vertically, ice wise. At the pro level, 15/20 times its a normal hit, side to side or shoulder to shoulder and a battle ensues or one player loses his feet, 4/20 times the checking player is late and there's not hit at all, and 1/20 times, this play happens.

I'd love for the 1/20 time play to not happen, but as long as body checking is legal, you're going to have guys miss their target. I will say it in no way looks like Kucherov is lining him up and finishing through his head. Even the way he acted afterwards. Though I admit it's hard to read intent over 15 seconds of video.

And I will just say this: When the NHL instituted a no nonsense, unambiguous rule about high sticking it seemed controversial at the time: You touch somebody's face with a stick, you are going to the box. I really don't see why you can't do the same thing for hits to the head. You put an elbow, glove or shoulder into a guy's dome, you go to the box.
I think you edited this in while I was typing. I'm 100% for this. Just because a mistake happens doesn't mean it's not a penalty. But as far as it eliminating it from the game, it won't. 2 minutes is a small price to pay for an 80% opportunity to regain possession/take the body/break up a set play.
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BSF21 wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:32 amI understand the need to remove hits to the head entirely. I'm with you there. Any thoughts about the rest of what I mentioned? I'm just trying to make it clear that it's very hard to eliminate entirely when body checking is legal.
Right, and this is the entire problem with the league right now. The same exact process can lead to something totally innocuous or something career altering and the league seems intent on punishing only what they believe was truly in the guy's heart. Nothing will change unless they either decide any contact to the head is just as illegal as a puck over the glass, regardless of intent, or make things even easier on everyone and eliminate open ice hits.
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Avram wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:23 am
sancarlos wrote: Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:53 pm Pierre kept going on and on about their young stud goalie that's still in juniors.
Flyers have had young stud goalies in Juniors for decades. It is frustrating, although I think Elliot hasn't fully recovered from his sports hernia surgery, which is part of the problem.
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I'm obviously biased, but I'm not even sure Kuch made contact with his head. That may not matter though. To me, Doughty got way more of his opponent's head with his hit.
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mister d wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:07 am It probably wasn't illegal, but I'd love to just see those type of hits eliminated altogether.
Me, too.
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govmentchedda wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:56 am I'm obviously biased, but I'm not even sure Kuch made contact with his head.
???

I don't see how you can look at those replays and question this.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:01 am
govmentchedda wrote: Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:56 am I'm obviously biased, but I'm not even sure Kuch made contact with his head.
???

I don't see how you can look at those replays and question this.
The twitter view isn't great. Went looking for an NHL.com clip, and it's not in the 6 minute game recap. I think it's hard to tell if any part of Kucherov hit his head, or if his head movement is because of the body contact. Kind of like how Jeff Marek is always talking about concusssions not always being on head shots, and that the whiplash from hits to the body can cause just as much concussion damage.
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Slower, reverse angle. Shoulder, then head. No hearing.
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Again, I'm not really talking about the legality of the hit under existing rules. The rules need to change. That hit shouldn't happen. He has other options in that situation, including taking a different angle that causes more of a hip check. He is leading with his shoulder at an angle where it is highly likely that he's going to hit him in the jaw or earhole.

It's the same thing as when a guy goes to lift a stick, he misses and clips a guy in the mouth. The intent was to lift, but he's going to the box. He'll try to be more precise next time.

I'd also add that he could get a few inches lower and clobber the dude in the chest. He comes in pretty upright, which these guys know increases the chance for a head shot.
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Kucherov generally hits no one, so this whole episode has been a bit odd to see. I'm also still new enough to the sport, (and I never played), to miss out on the nuances of what should and shouldn't be legal.

On the first viewing, I really couldn't say with certainty that Kuch hit his head. I've come around on that now, but it's still body first, then glancing blow to the head.
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No rooting interest either way, just want to make the general statement is that part of the problem with these hits in hockey (and similar hits in football) is that the accepted/coached body part to hit with is basically right next to the head. Shoulder-to-shoulder can very easily be turned into shoulder-to-head or head-to-head in a split second.
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First this,


Then, the Sharks respond by featuring 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan
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I guess I just need to bitch about how bad the Caps are to spark the team.

So... Fuck you Caps, last night's dominating performance was a fluke and I expect you to return to form tomorrow and shit the bed (again) at home.

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Haha. Fuck the Raiders.
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Too bad the Pens don’t have a goalie like Marc-Andre Fleury.
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Chuck Fletcher out as GM in Minnesota. Thinking GMGM might be about 90 percent to blame.
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degenerasian wrote: Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:41 pm Flames fire coach and assistants.

Should have happened at Christmas.
Bill Peters quits as Hurricanes coach, named new coach of Flames.

When you've got a chance to get the guy who missed the playoffs all four of his years coaching the under-achieving Hurricanes, you've got to do it.
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sancarlos wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:48 pm
degenerasian wrote: Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:41 pm Flames fire coach and assistants.

Should have happened at Christmas.
Bill Peters quits as Hurricanes coach, named new coach of Flames.

When you've got a chance to get the guy who missed the playoffs all four of his years coaching the under-achieving Hurricanes, you've got to do it.
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This is probably correct. I also expect WIN/NSH to mirror the VGS/SJS series for the first couple dates as the NHL will want to get Winnipeg on HNIC, especially if Toronto is eliminated this week. That series will have a two-day break as well between Games Two and Five somewhere likely to get a potential Game Five on HNIC.

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I just chuckled at “HNIC” meaning “Hockey Night In Canada” as opposed to its other abbreviation.
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sancarlos wrote: Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:13 pm
I do not understand the context in the least, but this is funny.
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Marchand is small in stature, has a large nose, and fights dirty and often.
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I wouldn't bet any real money on it, but just have a weird feeling it's going to somehow be the Golden Knights and Capitals in the Finals. I think I said that during the regular season thread, but going to throw it out there now just in case.

(And if that happens, it will be fun to watch the rest of America fall in love with Nate Schmidt like Washington and Vegas fans have.)
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I think all four of the 2nd round series look real compelling. Can't wait. Seems like it has been forever since the Sharks' last game.
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