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testuser2 wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:19 am I'm a bit cynical in that they knew all of this about him from the beginning and have always planned to run him out there before ultimately pulling him back before confirmation. This is to demonstrate that they aren'y morally bankrupt and are sharing in the #metoo movement right before the elections in November. Gaining back those white female voters will be much easier if they can use this as an example of how they care about women.

Trump did act strangely when the accusations initially came out. Like someone had coached him into saying that there was another game being played and to be open to initial character questions about his nominee. Is there another case where Trump did something and then accepted criticism? It does look like he has come off the rails a bit and has now gone back to his typical ranting. That also matches with his inability to remember what the hell he's trying to do.
The most logical theory I've heard is that Trump desperately wants Kavanaugh, as he is the only potential nominee who openly stated his belief that the President should be above the law. There were over 20 potential nominees on Trump's list, and Kavanaugh wasn't one of them. The Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation, who supposedly wielded the power in selecting SCt nominees, have a lot of names that would make Evangelicals and Conservatives equally happy, but none of them declared the President above the law. Makes a lot of sense that Trump wants to hold out for Kavanuagh, since he is ultimately selecting his own jury.
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This fucking sucks and all the republicans in that room should just drop dead right now so this heroine can float above them and get the hell out of there
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So, wait... None of these GOP clowns are going to even speak to her?

This is fucking WEIRD, man.
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The Sybian wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:36 am
testuser2 wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:19 am I'm a bit cynical in that they knew all of this about him from the beginning and have always planned to run him out there before ultimately pulling him back before confirmation. This is to demonstrate that they aren'y morally bankrupt and are sharing in the #metoo movement right before the elections in November. Gaining back those white female voters will be much easier if they can use this as an example of how they care about women.

Trump did act strangely when the accusations initially came out. Like someone had coached him into saying that there was another game being played and to be open to initial character questions about his nominee. Is there another case where Trump did something and then accepted criticism? It does look like he has come off the rails a bit and has now gone back to his typical ranting. That also matches with his inability to remember what the hell he's trying to do.
The most logical theory I've heard is that Trump desperately wants Kavanaugh, as he is the only potential nominee who openly stated his belief that the President should be above the law. There were over 20 potential nominees on Trump's list, and Kavanaugh wasn't one of them. The Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation, who supposedly wielded the power in selecting SCt nominees, have a lot of names that would make Evangelicals and Conservatives equally happy, but none of them declared the President above the law. Makes a lot of sense that Trump wants to hold out for Kavanuagh, since he is ultimately selecting his own jury.
This is possible but I’ve also read that the initial list was heavy on judges from “middle America” for political reasons. The GOP and Federalist Society has been grooming Kavanaugh for the Supreme Court for a long time and he could’ve easily been tabbed by another GOP President. It’s easy to say that Trump should withdraw his nomination now and pick Amy Barrett. But Trump is pathologically unable to admit to mistakes and I think he also views the Kavanaugh vote as a referendum on himself given his own history of sexual assault.
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And now this prosecutor is going to try and nitpick the shit out of totally inconsequential bullshit.

Not going to cut it.
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It seems inconceivable to me that this matters unless the swing votes are so spineless they're just waiting to gauge the postgame climate to see if a Y is ok.
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Not that this is more important than what Ms. Ford is suffering and doing for her country, but I cannot imagine how any of this helps the GOP on any level in the coming mid-terms.
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This is such an INCREDIBLY bad look for the GOP. Just the format alone... I can't really say it enough and more emphatically for those that aren't watching this.

Credible, incredibly poignant and believable, heart felt.

Then you get this Prosecutor questioning her, trying to build some bullshit case that she is mis-remembering bullshit details that have nothing to do with the assault.

TERRIBLE look for the GOP.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:38 am This is such an INCREDIBLY bad look for the GOP. Just the format alone... I can't really say it enough and more emphatically for those that aren't watching this.

Credible, incredibly poignant and believable, heart felt.

Then you get this Prosecutor questioning her, trying to build some bullshit case that she is mis-remembering bullshit details that have nothing to do with the assault.

TERRIBLE look for the GOP.
Yup. This makes absolutely no sense on any level, so I am assuming that Trump forced them to do this.
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The hearing is on a brief break. Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Chuck Grassley walked by stakeout cameras during the break and said this:

“I don’t think I can make any comments at all today, maybe it’s something I ought to sleep on. This is pretty important. We ought to be thinking about it a lot and not making hasty comments.”
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tennbengal wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:42 am
Nonlinear FC wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:38 am This is such an INCREDIBLY bad look for the GOP. Just the format alone... I can't really say it enough and more emphatically for those that aren't watching this.

Credible, incredibly poignant and believable, heart felt.

Then you get this Prosecutor questioning her, trying to build some bullshit case that she is mis-remembering bullshit details that have nothing to do with the assault.

TERRIBLE look for the GOP.
Yup. This makes absolutely no sense on any level, so I am assuming that Trump forced them to do this.
Yeah, this makes no sense at a country court job interview let alone this.
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Ryan wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:45 am
The hearing is on a brief break. Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Chuck Grassley walked by stakeout cameras during the break and said this:

“I don’t think I can make any comments at all today, maybe it’s something I ought to sleep on. This is pretty important. We ought to be thinking about it a lot and not making hasty comments.”
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testuser2 wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:19 am I'm a bit cynical in that they knew all of this about him from the beginning and have always planned to run him out there before ultimately pulling him back before confirmation. This is to demonstrate that they aren'y morally bankrupt and are sharing in the #metoo movement right before the elections in November. Gaining back those white female voters will be much easier if they can use this as an example of how they care about women.

Trump did act strangely when the accusations initially came out. Like someone had coached him into saying that there was another game being played and to be open to initial character questions about his nominee. Is there another case where Trump did something and then accepted criticism? It does look like he has come off the rails a bit and has now gone back to his typical ranting. That also matches with his inability to remember what the hell he's trying to do.
maybe and that would coincide with my theory that the GOP just wants to jam up the political process and supreme court and not really overturn anything including Roe v Wade.

However, this is a chance of a lifetime for the GOP to get someone in and control the Supreme Court for decade after blocking Garland for 9 months.
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mister d wrote: Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:03 pm Except (1) this isn’t about a legal threshold and (2) direct sexual assault is a uniquely disbelieved crime. If a woman says she was raped, most people believe her. If a woman says she was raped by _______, that inherent belief goes away.
This is a tough read but illustrates my point. Show this to 100 people and the majority will believe her. Stage it differently where you present the man first, give some humanizing details about him and then have her tweets naming him and a different 100 are going to start leaving doors open and hearing both sides.

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It's really not all that plausible that this is some kind of long term strategy of gaining back the female vote.
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Sheldon is FUCKING THEM UP.

FUCKING THEM UP.
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Ryan wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:59 am This fucking sucks and all the republicans in that room should just drop dead right now so this heroine can float above them and get the hell out of there
This is spot on.
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"OK lady, you're gonna take all our alloted time and, um, just get her to admit that memory is a shitty thing and we'll be done."
"She's not an expert on how the brain works, is she?"
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I don't have the stomach to watch. Just twitter following.
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mister d wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:11 am I don't have the stomach to watch. Just twitter following.
Same.
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mister d wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:11 am I don't have the stomach to watch. Just twitter following.
Aye. Even the clips are heart-breaking.
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So I'm floating in and out of this thing because work is a pain today.

So this random female prosecutor is asking her questions on behalf of the GOP? Like...wtf? That's insane.
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Johnnie wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:31 am So I'm floating in and out of this thing because work is a pain today.

So this random female prosecutor is asking her questions on behalf of the GOP? Like...wtf? That's insane.
S'what I'm saying!!

They don't want to be on camera "doubting" this woman, because they're fucking cowards and don't want another Anita Hill blowback.

But it's just fucking horrible given the current climate. Horrible.
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I know I tweeted this to most of you, but damn, this really hits me hard today.

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Nonlinear FC wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:34 am
Johnnie wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:31 am So I'm floating in and out of this thing because work is a pain today.

So this random female prosecutor is asking her questions on behalf of the GOP? Like...wtf? That's insane.
S'what I'm saying!!

They don't want to be on camera "doubting" this woman, because they're fucking cowards and don't want another Anita Hill blowback.

But it's just fucking horrible given the current climate. Horrible.
Also, a prosecutor is a weird choice, since she's being asked to do the opposite of what she normally does.
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This cross examination is just not going well. They're trying to knock holes in her fucking polygraph test. Fucking bullshit.

She's just super credible. And very likable. Like, you just want to give her a hug the entire time.
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Bwah!
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BTW, MSNBC reporting that Trump canceled his meeting with Rosenstein scheduled for today.
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Johnnie wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:31 am So I'm floating in and out of this thing because work is a pain today.

So this random female prosecutor is asking her questions on behalf of the GOP? Like...wtf? That's insane.
The belief was it would look horrible to have a bunch of old white dudes look like they were picking on a woman. Funny how it's backfiring...
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GoodKarma wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:03 pm
Johnnie wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:31 am So I'm floating in and out of this thing because work is a pain today.

So this random female prosecutor is asking her questions on behalf of the GOP? Like...wtf? That's insane.
The belief was it would look horrible to have a bunch of old white dudes look like they were picking on a woman. Funny how it's backfiring...
Not really. This is benign idiocy, which is still way better than senile desperation.
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Yeah, was just breaking this down with someone here in the office and this is just a classic lose-lose situation.

This is probably a better way to go, but we're talking about a situation where this comes down to Dr. Ford and her credibility. I think they were hoping for her to come in and shit the bed. The gambled and they lost.

Her testimony is SCREAMING for further investigation. The fact that there was no FBI investigation AND that Mark Judge wasn't called is now being highlighted in a way that is the definition of backfiring.
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I thought Lindsey Graham was supposed to be one of the good guys?

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degenerasian wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:55 pm I thought Lindsey Graham was supposed to be one of the good guys?

Dude. You *really* need to pay more attention.
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Steve of phpBB wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:57 pm
degenerasian wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:55 pm I thought Lindsey Graham was supposed to be one of the good guys?

Dude. You *really* need to pay more attention.
I know! I really do! I thought he was anti-trump as one point.
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degenerasian wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:01 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:57 pm
degenerasian wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:55 pm I thought Lindsey Graham was supposed to be one of the good guys?

Dude. You *really* need to pay more attention.
I know! I really do! I thought he was anti-trump as one point.
He was. At one point. He's been one of Trump's most vocal boosters for months. (Ever since he went golfing with Trump and, many suspect, Trump disclosed that he had some blackmail information on Graham, most likely about Graham being gay.)
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Ford has a Coke! Boycott coke!
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It really can't be overstated just how bad of a self-inflicted wound this is for the GOP.
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