2018-2019 NHL Season

Okay . . . let's try this again.

Moderators: Shirley, Sabo, brian, rass, DaveInSeattle

User avatar
rass
The Dude
Posts: 20209
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:41 am
Location: N effin' J

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by rass »

bapo! disappears for months and shows up the day before Crosby@McDavid. Coincidence???
I felt aswirl with warm secretions.
User avatar
rass
The Dude
Posts: 20209
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:41 am
Location: N effin' J

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by rass »

I felt aswirl with warm secretions.
User avatar
Nonlinear FC
The Dude
Posts: 10744
Joined: Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:09 pm

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by Nonlinear FC »

Filthy.
You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.
User avatar
brian
The Dude
Posts: 27742
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:52 am
Location: Downtown Las Vegas

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by brian »

Nate Schmidt gets 6 years, $5.95M AAV extension. Like most of the other recent extensions probably a bit on the high side right now, but could be a steal two or three years down the road (though he's much older than Tuch and Theodore and GMGM isn't buying any arb years).

Vegas shouldn't have any cap issues for the foreseeable future and still has more than enough powder to re-sign W. Karlsson and easily sign Panarin or E. Karlsson if either make it to free agency.
Bandwagon fan of the 2023 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!
User avatar
mister d
The Dude
Posts: 29047
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:15 am

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by mister d »

Panarin has already committed to NYR.
Johnnie wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:13 pmOh shit, you just reminded me about toilet paper.
User avatar
brian
The Dude
Posts: 27742
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:52 am
Location: Downtown Las Vegas

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by brian »

mister d wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:57 am Panarin has already committed to NYR.
Probably. And Karlsson will probably re-sign for 8 years after the trade deadline in SJS, but money can change things pretty quickly so those guys might want to listen to offers where they'll save $10M in taxes over the life of the deal.
Bandwagon fan of the 2023 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!
User avatar
sancarlos
The Dude
Posts: 18063
Joined: Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:46 pm
Location: NorCal via Colorado

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by sancarlos »

brian wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:16 am
mister d wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:57 am Panarin has already committed to NYR.
Probably. And Karlsson will probably re-sign for 8 years after the trade deadline in SJS, but money can change things pretty quickly so those guys might want to listen to offers where they'll save $10M in taxes over the life of the deal.
I think Erik Karlsson and the Sharks already have a handshake deal in place that they will formalize when he can sign a max deal.
"What a bunch of pedantic pricks." - sybian
User avatar
brian
The Dude
Posts: 27742
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:52 am
Location: Downtown Las Vegas

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by brian »

sancarlos wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:40 am
brian wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:16 am
mister d wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:57 am Panarin has already committed to NYR.
Probably. And Karlsson will probably re-sign for 8 years after the trade deadline in SJS, but money can change things pretty quickly so those guys might want to listen to offers where they'll save $10M in taxes over the life of the deal.
I think Erik Karlsson and the Sharks already have a handshake deal in place that they will formalize when he can sign a max deal.
I basically said as much.

But at this point, he'd be doing himself a disservice to not go to FA and at least listen to all of the offers from other teams like Tavares did.

The two main reasons to sign a long extension early is comfort with a team/franchise and security, especially related to injury. He'll only be getting about 30 to 40 games of security for the latter and while I'm sure he likes it fine in San Jose and the long-term prospects for winning are good there as well, it's hard to imagine he's already all-in on the former yet either.

An 8-year deal in San Jose at $12M AAV is worth about $4-5M less total than a 7-year deal in Vegas or Tampa at $11M AAV. Plus he's still "only" in his age 36 season after that point. If he and his agent are smart, they'll just let it go to July 1 and see what happens. For what it's worth, I would say the same thing if it had been Vegas that swung the deal without a long-term extension being involved. If he were playing on Vegas right now without the extension, he'd still be foolish not to get an offer from all 31 teams on July 1 if he's not going to get hardly any security from a devastating injury outside of one that happens during the playoffs.
Bandwagon fan of the 2023 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!
User avatar
sancarlos
The Dude
Posts: 18063
Joined: Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:46 pm
Location: NorCal via Colorado

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by sancarlos »

brian wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:59 pm
sancarlos wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:40 am
brian wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:16 am
mister d wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:57 am Panarin has already committed to NYR.
Probably. And Karlsson will probably re-sign for 8 years after the trade deadline in SJS, but money can change things pretty quickly so those guys might want to listen to offers where they'll save $10M in taxes over the life of the deal.
I think Erik Karlsson and the Sharks already have a handshake deal in place that they will formalize when he can sign a max deal.
I basically said as much.

But at this point, he'd be doing himself a disservice to not go to FA and at least listen to all of the offers from other teams like Tavares did.

The two main reasons to sign a long extension early is comfort with a team/franchise and security, especially related to injury. He'll only be getting about 30 to 40 games of security for the latter and while I'm sure he likes it fine in San Jose and the long-term prospects for winning are good there as well, it's hard to imagine he's already all-in on the former yet either.

An 8-year deal in San Jose at $12M AAV is worth about $4-5M less total than a 7-year deal in Vegas or Tampa at $11M AAV. Plus he's still "only" in his age 36 season after that point. If he and his agent are smart, they'll just let it go to July 1 and see what happens. For what it's worth, I would say the same thing if it had been Vegas that swung the deal without a long-term extension being involved. If he were playing on Vegas right now without the extension, he'd still be foolish not to get an offer from all 31 teams on July 1 if he's not going to get hardly any security from a devastating injury outside of one that happens during the playoffs.
Your points are valid, and he could still change his mind. But, I've seen it implied in print that Doug Wilson wasn't going to swing that trade without that understanding in place.
"What a bunch of pedantic pricks." - sybian
User avatar
brian
The Dude
Posts: 27742
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:52 am
Location: Downtown Las Vegas

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by brian »

I don't know the answer to this, so it's an actual question not a rhetorical question, but couldn't SJ have done a sign-and-trade with him and Ottawa to get the 8-year term without having to wait until after the trade deadline.
Bandwagon fan of the 2023 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!
User avatar
sancarlos
The Dude
Posts: 18063
Joined: Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:46 pm
Location: NorCal via Colorado

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by sancarlos »

brian wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:34 pm I don't know the answer to this, so it's an actual question not a rhetorical question, but couldn't SJ have done a sign-and-trade with him and Ottawa to get the 8-year term without having to wait until after the trade deadline.
I don't know the answer to that either.
"What a bunch of pedantic pricks." - sybian
User avatar
mister d
The Dude
Posts: 29047
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:15 am

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by mister d »

If you’re Karlsson do you trust Ottawa to do it properly?
Johnnie wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:13 pmOh shit, you just reminded me about toilet paper.
User avatar
mister d
The Dude
Posts: 29047
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:15 am

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by mister d »

(Not like they’re too stupid to sign a contract and make a trade, but I wouldn’t for a second put it past them to leverage the contract into demanding more, especially post-Hoffman debacle.)
Johnnie wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:13 pmOh shit, you just reminded me about toilet paper.
User avatar
degenerasian
The Dude
Posts: 12302
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:22 pm

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by degenerasian »

I don't believe anyone has ever done a sign and trade in the NHL cap-era.

What would be the advantage other than the extra year? For example, could the Islanders have signed Tavares to 8 years then trade him to Toronto? What would they get? a draft pick? The way team manipulate contracts, they're front loaded anyways.

So in the SJ example. is it worth it to give up more for the extra year? Would Ottawa do it? Then what if Eriksson balks and doesn't want to be traded?
Kung Fu movies are like porn. There's 1 on 1, then 2 on 1, then a group scene..
User avatar
brian
The Dude
Posts: 27742
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:52 am
Location: Downtown Las Vegas

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by brian »

degenerasian wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:49 pm I don't believe anyone has ever done a sign and trade in the NHL cap-era.

What would be the advantage other than the extra year? For example, could the Islanders have signed Tavares to 8 years then trade him to Toronto? What would they get? a draft pick? The way team manipulate contracts, they're front loaded anyways.
In that hypothetical yeah, the extra year to the player is very valuable and theoretically worth some compensation to the team making the trade. I assume your scenario is a post-July 1 theoretical as opposed to a situation like Karlsson's where he had one year left on his deal, but if the extra year was important enough to Tavares to sweeten the deal, would be worth sending a late-round pick to the Isles to make it happen. I don't know all of the rules around it or if it's even possible to do it, but could see it happening one day if the current CBA has similar restrictions around contract length extended into the next CBA.
Bandwagon fan of the 2023 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!
User avatar
Rams Fanny
Bunny Lebowski
Posts: 623
Joined: Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:32 pm
Location: Henderson, NV

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by Rams Fanny »

I'm sure SJ and Karlsson have a handshake agreement. I'm also sure SJ are happy to use that extra year to have him under their medical staff's eye to make sure his ankle is worth an eight year contract.
"Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back." -Al Swearengen
User avatar
degenerasian
The Dude
Posts: 12302
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:22 pm

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by degenerasian »

Ugh
Kung Fu movies are like porn. There's 1 on 1, then 2 on 1, then a group scene..
User avatar
rass
The Dude
Posts: 20209
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:41 am
Location: N effin' J

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by rass »

Unnnnhhhh
I felt aswirl with warm secretions.
User avatar
brian
The Dude
Posts: 27742
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:52 am
Location: Downtown Las Vegas

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by brian »

If DOPS gets a better angle on this play, Coburn's gonna be sitting a few games.

ETA: For context, the hit knocked Pacioretty out for at least the first period so far and I doubt it was because of a hit to his chest.

Bandwagon fan of the 2023 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!
User avatar
govmentchedda
The Dude
Posts: 12673
Joined: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:36 pm

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by govmentchedda »

Pac's fault for not being taller.
Until everything is less insane, I'm mixing weed with wine.
User avatar
brian
The Dude
Posts: 27742
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:52 am
Location: Downtown Las Vegas

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by brian »

Penalty shot goal in OT is a pretty exciting way to win a game.
Bandwagon fan of the 2023 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!
User avatar
Ryan
The Dude
Posts: 10441
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:01 am

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by Ryan »

Even in a suit, nobody looks more like the lost Hart brother than Rod Brind’Amour
he’s a fixbking cyborg or some shit. The

holy fuckbAllZ, what a ducking nightmare. Holy shot. Just, fuck. The
User avatar
degenerasian
The Dude
Posts: 12302
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:22 pm

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by degenerasian »

Go to 4:15 ever see a celebration for a non-goal?

Kung Fu movies are like porn. There's 1 on 1, then 2 on 1, then a group scene..
User avatar
Giff
The Dude
Posts: 10802
Joined: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:26 pm

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by Giff »

I was actually watching that live and kept cracking up everytime they'd show a replay where you could see the guy celebrating in the background.
well this is gonna be someone's new signature - bronto
User avatar
degenerasian
The Dude
Posts: 12302
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:22 pm

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by degenerasian »

Everyone has suggested that the Flames are the worst run sports organization on earth. From PR, to game experience, to pre-game ceremonies. Heck they can't even retire numbers properly.

And this doesn't help

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba ... -1.4884705
Using a four-star rating system for transparency, administrative and fundraising costs, cash build-up and social outcomes, CIC gave most foundations one star, placing them in the bottom 20 per cent of over 700 charities that have been put under the group's microscope.

Only those foundations supported by Toronto-based teams — the Blue Jays, Maple Leafs and Raptors — scored two stars.

The report criticizes how much the foundations spend on fundraising, relative to what goes toward charitable causes.

It found, for example, that for each dollar raised by the Calgary Flames Foundation only 30 cents goes to a charitable cause. On the high end, Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment — owner of the Leafs and the Raptors — and the Vancouver Canucks for Kids Fund are in line with other charities, in the 70-cents range.

The average for all charities examined by CIC is 75 cents, leaving 25 for overhead, Bahen said.
Kung Fu movies are like porn. There's 1 on 1, then 2 on 1, then a group scene..
User avatar
rass
The Dude
Posts: 20209
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:41 am
Location: N effin' J

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by rass »

Fucking Brian Boyle is ruining Hockey Fights Cancer night in Pittsburgh.
I felt aswirl with warm secretions.
User avatar
Steve of phpBB
The Dude
Posts: 8437
Joined: Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:44 am
Location: Feeling gravity's pull

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by Steve of phpBB »

Q.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
User avatar
sancarlos
The Dude
Posts: 18063
Joined: Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:46 pm
Location: NorCal via Colorado

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by sancarlos »

Steve of phpBB wrote: Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:40 amQ.
The Athletic had a good piece on Quennevhlle's firing. The headline tells you all you really need to know:
Fall guy: Joel Quenneville takes the heat for Stan Bowman’s roster decisions.

Surprisingly, now-retired former brainless goon Daniel Carcillo has turned into an occasionally thoughtful writer. He had a couple tweets on this firing:

"What a bunch of pedantic pricks." - sybian
User avatar
sancarlos
The Dude
Posts: 18063
Joined: Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:46 pm
Location: NorCal via Colorado

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by sancarlos »

Tomas Tatar on a tear.

Funny, in the summer we were all in agreement that Vegas won that trade, but in this young season, Tatar has been a scoring machine for Montreal while Pacioretty hasn't done much (partly because he got hurt).

I read a couple articles about the Ottawa "Uber scandal" and the NHL Network guys are in a froth about it, but it seems like a tempest in a teapot to me. The guys were bitching about their coaches. So what. It's something every employee/player does about their boss/coach at times, especially if they are on a losing streak. But, this gets noticed because they got videoed. And Ottawa always seems to have some sort of mess afoot.

As usual, the Sharks are driving me nuts. They look like world-beaters one night, then shit the bed the next. Too much coasting. Lather rinse repeat. But, I'm encouraged because Erik Karlsson is starting to look like Erik Karlsson, Joe Thornton and his beard are back, the Big Pavelski is rebounding from his off-year, Brent Burns, Evander Kane and Logan Couture are looking like they deserve their big contracts, and best of all, 22 year-old Timo Meier is blossoming into a star power forward.
"What a bunch of pedantic pricks." - sybian
User avatar
mister d
The Dude
Posts: 29047
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:15 am

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by mister d »

From the quotes I read, it was a pretty tame, borderline factual, takedown of a coach who isn't getting results. Coaches say worse shit about their players postgame on a daily basis.
Johnnie wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:13 pmOh shit, you just reminded me about toilet paper.
User avatar
govmentchedda
The Dude
Posts: 12673
Joined: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:36 pm

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by govmentchedda »

Fuck Milan Lucic, and all the Oilers except McJesus. That dude is amazing.
Until everything is less insane, I'm mixing weed with wine.
User avatar
wlu_lax6
The Dude
Posts: 10402
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:16 am

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by wlu_lax6 »

Heading home from Caps-Pens game. Pens dirty shot oshie a few times tonight. Nice to see him make them pay, but that would not have been the case if Wilson was available.

Also Hotlby is good.
User avatar
rass
The Dude
Posts: 20209
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:41 am
Location: N effin' J

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by rass »

It was once. The high stick was not dirty.

Malkin, yeah absolutely. Though I really don’t know where Oshie thought he was going there.

And yes again to your final statement. He stole that game.
I felt aswirl with warm secretions.
User avatar
mister d
The Dude
Posts: 29047
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:15 am

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by mister d »

rass wrote: Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:54 amThough I really don’t know where Oshie thought he was going there.
Directly to the puck-carrier?
Johnnie wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:13 pmOh shit, you just reminded me about toilet paper.
User avatar
rass
The Dude
Posts: 20209
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:41 am
Location: N effin' J

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by rass »

Yes. But Malkin didn’t even change direction. And absolutely Malkin knew he was coming and what his slight movement was going to do. It was just odd because you’re used to seeing that when guys are going different directions and one clips the other as they pass.
I felt aswirl with warm secretions.
User avatar
wlu_lax6
The Dude
Posts: 10402
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:16 am

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by wlu_lax6 »

There looked to be a good bit of shenanigans that the TV may not have caught. Thought the officiating crew did a good job not letting the game go south.

Also at this point I get Ovi is very good but how do you not cheat more on the Power Play to him. The only question on the caps PP is if Ovi is high point of closer to the circle for the pass to one-timer.
User avatar
Nonlinear FC
The Dude
Posts: 10744
Joined: Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:09 pm

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by Nonlinear FC »

rass wrote: Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:52 am Yes. But Malkin didn’t even change direction. And absolutely Malkin knew he was coming and what his slight movement was going to do. It was just odd because you’re used to seeing that when guys are going different directions and one clips the other as they pass.
Oshie is cutting around behind Malkin, you see him put on the brakes and try to shimmy behind him. Malkin dips back and pretty clearly makes a deliberate move to Oshie's head.

And, look, I'm on record multiple times calling out Wilson for being a shithead. That was a shithead play from Malkin.

ETA - You aren't defending Malkin, but I've seen some of that this morning, which bugs me.
You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.
User avatar
mister d
The Dude
Posts: 29047
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:15 am

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by mister d »

The furthest I'll go is "there was almost assuredly no premeditation" but who cares? It was a very clear, intentional elbow/shoulder to the head and he should be sitting a while. Of course, he won't.
Johnnie wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:13 pmOh shit, you just reminded me about toilet paper.
User avatar
rass
The Dude
Posts: 20209
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:41 am
Location: N effin' J

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by rass »

I hadn’t watched the video again today until I caught a NHL-N segment where they spent no lie 10 minutes breaking down that play. I see TJO was heading past/behind him.
I felt aswirl with warm secretions.
User avatar
degenerasian
The Dude
Posts: 12302
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:22 pm

Re: 2018-2019 NHL Season

Post by degenerasian »

Tom Wilson's suspension reduced to 14 games so he can play tonight.
Kung Fu movies are like porn. There's 1 on 1, then 2 on 1, then a group scene..
Post Reply