2018-19 NBA Regular Season Thread

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I know the woke fan take is to support increased player power over personnel moves but I think it kind of sucks that 5 different All-NBA players have demanded trades within the past 2 years (PG13, Kyrie, Kawhi, Butler, Davis). I really think it’s a byproduct of Durant joining the Warriors. We’ve had a 3-season run where only one other team (2017-18 Rockets) had any meaningful championship equity and I think guys are understandably getting impatient.
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Good bit on the money not mattering anymore on the Lowe Post podcast. basically the league got richer, so the contracts went up. now guys are deciding between 200 vs 240 million vs 90 vs either 120 or 140 million. I realize to us it's all funny money, but to them, once you get to 200...they'd rather also win. Because the contracts were smaller back in the day, players always took the sure money.
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Yes. Very definitely reached the point where winning overcomes hometown discounts. But never fear there is an right amount for ANYTHING. This is America, Jack!
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Getting rid of the max contract in the next CBA helps solve that problem a little bit. Would love to see what a guy like LeBron would have gotten on the open market.
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I read an article the other day that noted that scoring in the NBA, NFL, and NHL is way up. MLB, not playing along.
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Once this is actually put into words for real, you start to realize that is everything they have to offer and it's pretty much complete ass.

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Yes. I wouldnt do that now for the entire package mentioned. How about LeBron?
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Knicks should offer Porzingis and their 1st round pick (protected for #1 overall) for Davis right now.
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Why do that when Dennis Smith Jr. is available?
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Joe K wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:27 pm

Knicks should offer Porzingis and their 1st round pick (protected for #1 overall) for Davis right now.
Or Dennis Smith, Jr. LOL?
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Durant must have already closed on an Upper West Side penthouse. There's no other explanation.
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I lived and died with the Knicks as a kid and have never cared more about a pro team. But I’m really glad that I disowned them for the Sixers two years ago.
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As many are pointing out, the Knicks now have space for two max guys this offseason. But watch them strike out on Durant and Irving.
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So the range of possibilities is anything from Durant/Irving/Zion to Kemba/Middleton/Bol Bol. With this club, I know where I'm placing my bets.
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Jim But would be the easiest way to guarantee I'm not coming back to the NBA any time soon.
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Rex wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:06 pm So the range of possibilities is anything from Durant/Irving/Zion to Kemba/Middleton/Bol Bol. With this club, I know where I'm placing my bets.
Ha. They better be reaaaally confident they’re getting KD or Kawhi to make this trade. And the Mavs have massive upside now with the Doncic-Porzingis combo. Damn.
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Hey I know it was a long time ago, but do you guys remember when the Knicks drafted Frank Ntilikina one spot ahead of Dennis Smith Jr.?
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14 games out of a playoff spot. What would YOU have done???
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Jordan and Matthews are both intriguing Rockets candidates if they're bought out.
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Being honest, I'm a lot more intrigued by the Knicks now than I was at 9:00 AM.
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I know its somewhat cheating to net out independent (albeit interrelated) moves, but post-free agency, isn't there a chance this could all pay off really, really big?
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mister d wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:31 pm I know its somewhat cheating to net out independent (albeit interrelated) moves, but post-free agency, isn't there a chance this could all pay off really, really big?
I’m kind of with you.
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Like lets say the Spurs had a really bad roster except for one player and that one player was great but also up for a max deal soon and unnaturally huge and sitting out with an ACL tear and they traded his rights plus two bad contracts beyond this year to the Knicks for last year's disappointing 1st rounder, two expiring contracts and two future firsts. Wouldn't people say the Spurs fucked the Knicks?
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Porzingis is good enough that this deal is only a long term win if they end up with two of the big free agents this offseason. (They could’ve kept Porzingis and still signed one max guy.) I really don’t think Klay is going anywhere so that leaves Durant, Kawhi, Butler, Irving and Walker as the guys to target.
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Curious what the odds are Porzingis never fully comes back. Has to be non-zero, right?
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mister d wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:48 pm Curious what the odds are Porzingis never fully comes back. Has to be non-zero, right?
This factors in for me. He’s been really good but it’s a toss up with big skinny guys who come back at least as good from leg issues. And he was SO weak to begin with it makes you wonder.
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mister d wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:31 pm I know its somewhat cheating to net out independent (albeit interrelated) moves, but post-free agency, isn't there a chance this could all pay off really, really big?
I’m pretty agnostic about trading KP (I love him but the shelf life for really tall guys with bad knees isn’t very long), but I can’t explain why you would make this move now rather than 4 months from now when you will know if you have the #1 pick or a reasonable chance to trade into the #1 pick. I mean literally all they needed to do was sit and do nothing until the ping pong balls sort out. This isn’t even a Zion thing—don’t you want to know what your assets are before you start moving them?
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If KP wanted out badly enough that they were agreeing to trade him, they weren't moving any unknown assets, right?
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(Also, don't NBA trades have to balance the dollars? If so, to dump Hardaway and Lee it has to be in season with expiring contracts coming back.)
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mister d wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:59 pm If KP wanted out badly enough that they were agreeing to trade him, they weren't moving any unknown assets, right?
I'm a little skeptical of the reported timeline here. Porzingis has understandably had his frustrations with Knicks management, but we're supposed to believe that this blockbuster deal came together so soon after his reported meeting with team brass? It seems more likely to me that this was in the works for longer and that the story about Porzingis wanting out leaked to give the team cover. The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if there have already been serious backchannel communications going on about the 2019 free agents and the Knicks have intel on who they're landing. It's curious that within just one week Davis demanded a trade, which led to stories suggesting that Irving may not re-sign with Boston, and now the Knicks make a major trade to create cap space for two superstars? Hmm... there were rumors awhile back that Kyrie and Butler were a package deal and that they were both interested in New York.
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Oh, I’m totally on board with one of the two conspiracy theories; either they have a free agency promise or they know or think they know something about his recovery. And also yes on the timeline, probably today was confirmation they were going to make the deal they’ve had on the table for a while.
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mister d wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:21 pm Oh, I’m totally on board with one of the two conspiracy theories; either they have a free agency promise or they know or think they know something about his recovery. And also yes on the timeline, probably today was confirmation they were going to make the deal they’ve had on the table for a while.
My galaxy brain conspiracy theory is that the Knicks fell for a fake Kyrie rumor that LeBron and Rich Paul are spreading to discourage Davis and the Pelicans from viewing Boston as an appealing trade partner.
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God I wish Kyrie was just a little worse/missed that one shot so I wouldn't feel so conflicted about him being a massive pud
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Ryan wrote: Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:16 am God I wish Kyrie was just a little worse/missed that one shot so I wouldn't feel so conflicted about him being a massive pud
Kyrie will forever be overrated, especially by casual fans, because he balled his ass off in Games 5-7 in 2016. Everyone remembers the Game 7 shot but his Game 5 performance to win another game in Oracle was obscenely nasty.
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Have no clue why he keeps opening his mouth. He has definitely taken to LeBrons passive aggressive media usage. Just can't help himself and it hurts the team. I love the skills and like the game but I'm coming around to the whole package not being worth it. They can win without him and if they could get something good in return I'd move on. I'd also resign him and deal with him because the game is special but he's got to be rubbing guys the wrong way. Coach and GM won't say anything cause they want the option to resign but the other guys have to be tired by now.
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