Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part III - A Democratic House

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:28 pm

List all the times Trump has been forced to defend, at anything resembling a level field, over the last ... lifetime. There’s tremendous value in this fight unless you believe him and his are really smart and major counter-threats in one on one combative situations.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:41 pm

The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:56 pm Taking Brian's football analogy, I think impeachment would be like choosing to throw the ball when you know in advance there is a 99.9999% chance of a pick six, with Mister D in the stands, going full kit wanker (with helmet and team logo receiver gloves) screaming throw it deep to prove we aren't pussies!!!

Do I want Trump impeached? Fuck yes, probably more than I have ever wanted anything in my life. If I was asked that survey question, I would say the Dems shouldn't impeach right now, because it will be a huge victory for Trump when the Senate votes with Trump. He will steal the narrative screaming from the rooftops that he was acquitted of all wrong doing, and proof that the Dems are so desperate they will try to impeach because Trump is winning so much and they hate America. The problem with this, is most swing voters and low information voters will come away thinking the Dems are just out to get Trump, and Trump must not have done anything impeachable since he was acquitted. I've heard lots of mildly anti-Trump people complaining that the Dems won't let the Russia thing go, saying Trump didn't do anything wrong. I've heard people saying the Mueller testimony was a stupid waste of time by desperate Dems who can't accept Mueller's investigation was a witch hunt that amounted to nothing.

Unfortunately, the key to victory in 2020 is winning the low info swing voter. While they may not like Trump, dragging us through an unwinnable impeachment proceeding will annoy them and make them thinks the Dems don't have anything on Trump. Until there is reason to believe a few Republican Senators will consider impeachment, starting proceedings is just handing Trump an enormous win. It's frustrating as fuck, and sickening that the GOP in Congress are such a pile of spineless fuckwits that they let waves on insanity, incompetence, ignorance and corruption occur in direct view of the world every fucking day without the balls to call it out.

Even if you're right short term, if there are no impeachment hearings, this generation of Democrats will be known as the ones who did nothing about a president committing multiple crimes; morally and historically it's reprehensible that they looked at his disgusting actions and decided to wait it out for until the next election. It is also helps build the "they're all the same" myth.

I also think there needs to be more noise about going against the judicial department's policy that a president cannot be charged with a crime while in office. Swamp lawyers can examine this better than me but the arguments supporting this policy seem pretty controversial to me. I think a big talking point for Democrats could be, "There is clear evidence that he committed a crime, but he can't be charged? What the fuck?" Elizabeth Warren could probably improve my phrasing,

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:50 pm

EdRomero wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:41 pm
The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:56 pm Taking Brian's football analogy, I think impeachment would be like choosing to throw the ball when you know in advance there is a 99.9999% chance of a pick six, with Mister D in the stands, going full kit wanker (with helmet and team logo receiver gloves) screaming throw it deep to prove we aren't pussies!!!

Do I want Trump impeached? Fuck yes, probably more than I have ever wanted anything in my life. If I was asked that survey question, I would say the Dems shouldn't impeach right now, because it will be a huge victory for Trump when the Senate votes with Trump. He will steal the narrative screaming from the rooftops that he was acquitted of all wrong doing, and proof that the Dems are so desperate they will try to impeach because Trump is winning so much and they hate America. The problem with this, is most swing voters and low information voters will come away thinking the Dems are just out to get Trump, and Trump must not have done anything impeachable since he was acquitted. I've heard lots of mildly anti-Trump people complaining that the Dems won't let the Russia thing go, saying Trump didn't do anything wrong. I've heard people saying the Mueller testimony was a stupid waste of time by desperate Dems who can't accept Mueller's investigation was a witch hunt that amounted to nothing.

Unfortunately, the key to victory in 2020 is winning the low info swing voter. While they may not like Trump, dragging us through an unwinnable impeachment proceeding will annoy them and make them thinks the Dems don't have anything on Trump. Until there is reason to believe a few Republican Senators will consider impeachment, starting proceedings is just handing Trump an enormous win. It's frustrating as fuck, and sickening that the GOP in Congress are such a pile of spineless fuckwits that they let waves on insanity, incompetence, ignorance and corruption occur in direct view of the world every fucking day without the balls to call it out.
Even if you're right short term, if there are no impeachment hearings, this generation of Democrats will be known as the ones who did nothing about a president committing multiple crimes; morally and historically it's reprehensible that they looked at his disgusting actions and decided to wait it out for until the next election. It is also helps build the "they're all the same" myth.

I also think there needs to be more noise about going against the judicial department's policy that a president cannot be charged with a crime while in office. Swamp lawyers can examine this better than me but the arguments supporting this policy seem pretty controversial to me. I think a big talking point for Democrats could be, "There is clear evidence that he committed a crime, but he can't be charged? What the fuck?" Elizabeth Warren could probably improve my phrasing,

No, that works well enough.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:58 pm

The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:56 pm Taking Brian's football analogy, I think impeachment would be like choosing to throw the ball when you know in advance there is a 99.9999% chance of a pick six, with Mister D in the stands, going full kit wanker (with helmet and team logo receiver gloves) screaming throw it deep to prove we aren't pussies!!!

... The problem with this, is most swing voters and low information voters will come away thinking the Dems are just out to get Trump, and Trump must not have done anything impeachable since he was acquitted. ...

Unfortunately, the key to victory in 2020 is winning the low info swing voter. While they may not like Trump, dragging us through an unwinnable impeachment proceeding will annoy them and make them thinks the Dems don't have anything on Trump. Until there is reason to believe a few Republican Senators will consider impeachment, starting proceedings is just handing Trump an enormous win.

Just like how the GOP got crushed in the 2000 Presidential Election because they brought unwinnable impeachment charges against Clinton. Oh wait ...

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:00 pm

I don’t want to say it’s a wildly privileged point of view to say having strong odds against you winning is an acceptable justification for choosing not to fight but ...

Post by **brian** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:37 am

This isn't perfect because it doesn't account for third-party candidates and is merely "awarding" a state to the Dems where Trump's approval is underwater, but it explains why I think the Dems have a "small lead" heading into the fourth quarter.

In short, if Georgia and North Carolina are really in play come next November, Trump is probably cooked. (Though most resources still need to go to firm up the industrial midwest.)

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:41 am

"Here is Donald Trump's approval rating in all 50 states converted into a bucket of fried chicken."

Who gives a fuck about that graphic if people in those states are going to not be able to vote and Russia attacks the voting machines?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:01 pm

I sort of think people who aren't able to vote aren't able to be polled either. So it's a wash.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:12 pm

Polls are typically "registered voters" but just because you've registered doesn't always mean you're able to cast your vote.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:36 pm

Rush2112 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:12 pm Polls are typically "registered voters" but just because you've registered doesn't always mean you're able to cast your vote.

More important, just because you don't approve of the job Trump is doing, doesn't mean you won't vote for him anyways, because you think [insert Dem nominee] is a radical Socialist who hates America.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:14 pm

It's a tepid tweet of support, but it's something.

ETA

Nah, ya know what? Fuck that. Call his fucking name out, Jenna. Don't lump the "we" in with the "he."

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:35 pm

“kids in the hood”

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:51 pm

Amazing how Bernie Sanders is a year and a half younger than her, yet he can understand how to not look like an awkward white person when discussing minorities and minority issues.

Post by **brian** » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:36 pm

I'm literally sick and tired of all of the MAGA turds defending this guy every time he says racist shit. It's exasperating and infuriating.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:09 pm

Baltimore Sun Editorial Board: Better to have a few rats than to be one

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:00 am

ETA:

Pretty sure every tweet of Simon's in the last 2 days is him responding to bots.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:50 am

Dan Coats is resigning as the Director of National Security in part because legit threats he's briefing the White House about Russia are being sluffed off as no big deal.

He's being replaced by John Ratcliffe. The guy from the Mueller hearing spouting anti Hillary bullshit.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:06 pm

Jesus this guy is so tone deaf

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:49 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:06 pm Jesus this guy is so tone deaf

I'm just surprised that the dick didn;t mention the Muslims cheering in Jersey when the towers fell.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:19 pm

Post by **brian** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:17 am

The only thing worse than being gaslighted is being gaslighted by fucking morons. If Jim Jordan really said anything like this he should be laughed out of every public gathering ever until the end of the time.

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:20 am

I think that (and others from the same twitterer) is a "joke".

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:21 am

Though this one is real:

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:59 am

The hashtag "losttrumphistory" was trending hard after his dumb comments yesterday. I think that tweet forgot it or forgot to slide to joking about Jordan, as mentioned.

Anyhoo, I love how real Charlemagne is when it comes to this dogshit:

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:13 pm

Trump is such a narcissist. What other tragedy happened in New York where he came to the rescue?

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:20 pm

I don't know about New York, but I'm sure he was on the front lines of the Bowling Green massacre.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:33 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:20 pm I don't know about New York, but I'm sure he was on the front lines of the Bowling Green massacre.

Look man, Rand Paul was in need.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:03 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:33 pm
Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:20 pm I don't know about New York, but I'm sure he was on the front lines of the Bowling Green massacre.
Look man, Rand Paul was in need.

Well when McCain said he was working for Putin, he's been a one man 9/11 ever since.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:05 pm

(Mine was a clumsy joke about Paul getting assaulted in Bowling Green)

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:43 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:05 pm (Mine was a clumsy joke about Paul getting assaulted in Bowling Green)

(Oh, I know. His neighbor assaulted him. Broke a rib or something.)

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:54 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:03 pm
A_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:33 pm
Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:20 pm I don't know about New York, but I'm sure he was on the front lines of the Bowling Green massacre.
Look man, Rand Paul was in need.
Well when McCain said he was working for Putin, he's been a one man 9/11 ever since.

Moscow Mitch and Russian Rand.

Texas comes to mind, but if you were trying to decide which state had the two most despicable senators, Kentucky would probably be the worst.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:55 pm

Hey Now! Don't forget about how bad our state reps are, too!

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:34 pm

Goodness.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:40 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:34 pm Goodness.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:38 pm

I just discovered the hashtag: #ReadTheCummingsReport, and you guys aren't gonna believe this, but this administration is kinda corrupt. https://oversight.house.gov/news/press- ... us-nuclear

Wrong thread, but I don't see how the Dems don't spend the entire debate on talking about the corruption, the border atrocities, and maybe his bailouts for the problems his tariffs caused.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:24 pm

Makes you wonder if they’re complicit in terms of keeping the status quo. Hard to say without more evidence ...

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:45 pm

"Roseanna, who wore a red T-shirt, white shorts, and a MAGA hat adorned with multiple buttons, including one featuring the likeness of Hillary Clinton behind bars, had driven an hour and a half from Lexington, Kentucky. She defended Trump’s statements about Baltimore. “He didn’t say nothing about the color of somebody’s skin,” Roseanna said, yet it seemed like everyone was “wishing him toward ‘He’s a bigot.’

“I’m sick to death of it. I have 13 grandchildren—13,” she continued. “Four of them are biracial, black and white; another two of them are black and white; and another two of them are Singapore and white. You think I’m a racist? I go and I give them kids kisses like nobody’s business.”

Read: Will Trump’s racist attacks help him? Ask blue-collar white women.

When I asked Roseanna and Amy whether they would join in a “Send her back!” chant were it to take place that night, both women said no, but out of deference to Trump. “He apologized for that, so I think us as Trump supporters will respect him for that,” Roseanna said. She then shared her thoughts on the chant’s target, Representative Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, who came to America as a refugee from Somalia.

“Look, but she is gonna get—you know, I don’t want her stinkin’ Muslim crap in my country,” Roseanna said.

“Sharia law,” Amy chimed in. Her iridescent CoverGirl highlighter glinted under the stadium lights. “Sharia law.”

“That’s not America,” Roseanna said. “She is a Muslim through and through …She wants that all here.” She wondered aloud whether Omar had come to the U.S. illegally. (There is no evidence this is true.)"

I don't know any Roseannnas, thankfully. Full article here.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:45 pm

"We're all tired of being called racists" featuring people that cannot understand how you can be a racist without saying the 'N' word.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:00 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:45 pm "We're all tired of being called racists" featuring people that cannot understand how you can be a racist without saying the 'N' word.

Hell, she watches football and there are even black players on her favourite team! How can that be racist?

(I've heard variations on this for maybe 45 years now.)

Post by **brian** » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:00 pm

It really freaks me out how much Trump sounds like Master Shake from Aqua Teen Hunger Force during his Nazi rallies. Despite that, I would kill for a supercut of Trump's "greatest hits" set to clips of Master Shake talking.