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mister d wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:51 am
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It is a good move, even if its just everyone saying "shut the fuck up about video games". The distraction is the intent there.
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A couple names are missing from this list.

Here's the source link: https://www.forbes.com/sites/giacomotog ... 3025f44c15



(Warren has 2)
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all of those other billionaires should donate $10 to his campaign now to fuck him up.
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This headline obviously was meant to catch attention: Joe Biden Is Coming for Your Legal Weed

The crux of the title:
Other than cannabis, there are no major state-legal markets for Schedule I drugs. Would making weed Schedule II—intended only for strictly controlled pharmaceutical drugs, and not recreational nor wellness products, the rubrics under which cannabis is often marketed and sold to Americans—make more sense? It might, but here's the catch: Drugs listed under Schedule II (which include cocaine and methamphetamine as well as prescription opiates like fentanyl) are available legally but only under strict Food and Drug Administration controls. That is, only with a doctor's prescription, only after a lengthy FDA-overseen approval process that can include years of clinical trials (and then sold only via a licensed pharmacy), and only for limited applications.
I'm not sure how Schedule 1 status means we can leave it to the states, but Schedule 2 means we're fucked. But I don't like Biden, so......BOOOOOOOOO.
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A cynic would point out that Pfizer is incorporated in DE and AstraZeneca has a major physical presence.
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I didn't read the story, but I doubt Biden is trying to put an end to legal weed. That's a Pandora's box politicians on either side of the aisle don't want to mess with at this point. If anything, it's probably proof that Biden doesn't really understand the real issue, which is that cannabis should be completely de-scheduled (or at least put on the same tier as alcohol). In fact, once de-scheduled, it should be put under the auspices of the ATFE, which should become the ATFEC.
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I'm pro-majijuana and have since forever. But it needs better regulation. And I'm really talking about what alcohol does to ensure there's (relatively) universality

They also need to do more studies to understand the long-term effect, like they've done to a large extent with alcohol.

All of this is to say I agree with LVbri.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:09 pm I'm pro-majijuana and have since forever. But it needs better regulation. And I'm really talking about what alcohol does to ensure there's (relatively) universality
I'm not sure I follow your view that "it needs better regulation". Is that relative to the level of regulation now in the states where it is currently legal? Or, relative to different regulations for alcohol?

Personally, I'm comfortable with our level of marijuana regulation in California. No municipality that doesn't want dispensaries is required to allow them. Nobody is legally allowed to operate a motor vehicle under the influence. No marijuana is legally allowed to be consumed outside a private residence - included in that, no marijuana is legally allowed to be consumed in a dispensary. ID is checked and recorded when entering a dispensary. Nobody under 18 is allowed to enter. Interractions with dispensary personnel are only on a 1-to-1 basis. Only small amounts are allowed to be cultivated in private homes. I'm not up-to-speed on the regulations regarding commercial cultivation, but I know regulations do exist.

What additional, or changes to regulation do you recommend?
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There will have to be a whole slew of federal regulations once it's de-scheduled -- anything related to banking, potential transportation over state lines (now officially prohibited but it would be allowed like you can do legally for guns and alcohol under certain circumstances).

Most of the state laws in places with legal weed are fine, but moving it around from state to state and getting federal tax licenses is going to a huge deal, amongst other headaches.
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Certainly some of what LVbri said, and apologies if I'm shooting from my ass on this a little, but my point is that when I show up in CO and look at the ABV and percentage of an IPA, I have a confidence (born out by drinking a lot fucking beer at varying degrees of alcohol content) that I'm going to understand what I'm getting back from the product.

Having consumed weed in MD (via my wife's medical card), DC (friends) and CO... Maybe it's my relatively novice level, but I find it very hard to navigate CBD/THC levels with any consistency. I'll have an edible with the exact same levels in MD and feel one way and then the same thing in CO and it has a drastically different effect on me. I mean, sure, taking into account sea level and stuff, maybe I can see that. But I've also heard that the strength of pot in CA will knock you on your ass, more so than anywhere else.

Maybe that's more perception than reality, many of you guys would have a more experienced take.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:58 pm Certainly some of what LVbri said, and apologies if I'm shooting from my ass on this a little, but my point is that when I show up in CO and look at the ABV and percentage of an IPA, I have a confidence (born out by drinking a lot fucking beer at varying degrees of alcohol content) that I'm going to understand what I'm getting back from the product.

Having consumed weed in MD (via my wife's medical card), DC (friends) and CO... Maybe it's my relatively novice level, but I find it very hard to navigate CBD/THC levels with any consistency. I'll have an edible with the exact same levels in MD and feel one way and then the same thing in CO and it has a drastically different effect on me. I mean, sure, taking into account sea level and stuff, maybe I can see that. But I've also heard that the strength of pot in CA will knock you on your ass, more so than anywhere else.

Maybe that's more perception than reality, many of you guys would have a more experienced take.
In theory, you should be able to trust the THC content (either by percentage as in flower -- e.g. 28 percent THC -- or by the milligram in edibles -- e.g. 10mg THC per edible) in one jurisdiction to another, much like you could the ABV in a beer in one state or another. The testing equipment used is required to be tested, calibrated, etc., etc. by state laws and presumably is state of the art.

I suspect in reality there's probably some fudging allowed or expected, though I wouldn't think enough where a 10mg gummy in California would hit you any different than one in Nevada or Maryland or wherever.

The one thing I can say is that your own body impacts the absorption of THC very differently compared to alcohol based on many factors, especially the amount of food you've recently eaten, etc. I realize the same is true for alcohol, but my own personal experience is that it is much more pronounced with THC. In other words, if you consume weed immediately after eating or while eating you'll notice the effects dulled much more than you would if you had eaten while drinking a couple of IPAs (or not eating while consuming said IPAs as it were).

ETA: Should also be said that in my experience drinking alcohol while consuming cannabis also tends to dull the effect of the cannabis.

I don't know if this is backed by science or it's my own personal perception.
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Hey my minimum wage question was raised!

need more interviews like this, many issues discussed and America is really complicated. Trying to undo hundreds of years of culture.
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Johnnie wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:33 am
Gunpowder wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:09 am
Johnnie wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:48 am
Gunpowder wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:39 amAnd now Geraldo wants armed security in "every place innocents are gathered". Huh?
So...not Congress or the White House? I see what he did there.

So fucking over the "more guns = more safe" argument. Forget the hours and hours of training, handling, and learning about firearms, just give Jethro with the itchy trigger finger a .45 or an AR and we're immediately 100% safer. Complex problem solved via Facebook meme guidance.

We're gonna arm Louie Gohmert.

Btw Johnnie I see you are highly trained with firearms...I'm having a gathering of (mostly) innocents in a few weeks for a fantasy football draft, so if you could show up heavily armed we'd really appreciate it.
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brian wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:06 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:58 pm Certainly some of what LVbri said, and apologies if I'm shooting from my ass on this a little, but my point is that when I show up in CO and look at the ABV and percentage of an IPA, I have a confidence (born out by drinking a lot fucking beer at varying degrees of alcohol content) that I'm going to understand what I'm getting back from the product.

Having consumed weed in MD (via my wife's medical card), DC (friends) and CO... Maybe it's my relatively novice level, but I find it very hard to navigate CBD/THC levels with any consistency. I'll have an edible with the exact same levels in MD and feel one way and then the same thing in CO and it has a drastically different effect on me. I mean, sure, taking into account sea level and stuff, maybe I can see that. But I've also heard that the strength of pot in CA will knock you on your ass, more so than anywhere else.

Maybe that's more perception than reality, many of you guys would have a more experienced take.
In theory, you should be able to trust the THC content (either by percentage as in flower -- e.g. 28 percent THC -- or by the milligram in edibles -- e.g. 10mg THC per edible) in one jurisdiction to another, much like you could the ABV in a beer in one state or another. The testing equipment used is required to be tested, calibrated, etc., etc. by state laws and presumably is state of the art.

I suspect in reality there's probably some fudging allowed or expected, though I wouldn't think enough where a 10mg gummy in California would hit you any different than one in Nevada or Maryland or wherever.

The one thing I can say is that your own body impacts the absorption of THC very differently compared to alcohol based on many factors, especially the amount of food you've recently eaten, etc. I realize the same is true for alcohol, but my own personal experience is that it is much more pronounced with THC. In other words, if you consume weed immediately after eating or while eating you'll notice the effects dulled much more than you would if you had eaten while drinking a couple of IPAs (or not eating while consuming said IPAs as it were).

ETA: Should also be said that in my experience drinking alcohol while consuming cannabis also tends to dull the effect of the cannabis.

I don't know if this is backed by science or it's my own personal perception.
From the discussions I've had with workers at dispensaries, and the reading I've done the last year to educate myself, your hunches or assumptions are very much true. I would just add that eating food with fat in them prior makes edibles more effective, something about giving the weed something specific to react to chemically.
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The hits continue:


Also, this is an interesting dynamic:



For all the hand-wringing about Bernie and DSA-types, the much bigger threat if Warren gets the nomination is that someone like Bloomberg or Howard Schultz runs as an independent to play spoiler.
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WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO. PROGRESS FUCKS US UP. YOU HEAR THAT, PROGRESSIVES? YOU'RE A BIGGER THREAT THAN THE THREATS WE FACE.

Republicans hated Trump up until the point they realized they needed him to get their policies enacted. I don't think Democrats will rally around Bernie or Warren in the same way. They will almost certainly Jimmy Carter them if either become president.
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Bloomberg or Schultz are probably just as likely to run if Bernie wins the nomination. Let's not put the black hat on her where that's concerned. And frankly if turds like that are scared it's probably a good thing as far as setting the stakes for voter turnout amongst the typically unengaged. Regardless of whom the nominee is that's going to be the key to winning the election.
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brian wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:21 pm Bloomberg or Schultz are probably just as likely to run if Bernie wins the nomination. Let's not put the black hat on her where that's concerned. And frankly if turds like that are scared it's probably a good thing as far as setting the stakes for voter turnout amongst the typically unengaged. Regardless of whom the nominee is that's going to be the key to winning the election.
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Johnnie wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:59 am WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO. PROGRESS FUCKS US UP. YOU HEAR THAT, PROGRESSIVES? YOU'RE A BIGGER THREAT THAN THE THREATS WE FACE.

Republicans hated Trump up until the point they realized they needed him to get their policies enacted. I don't think Democrats will rally around Bernie or Warren in the same way. They will almost certainly Jimmy Carter them if either become president.
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So Biden was asked if he thought Trump was a racist...
“Why are you so hooked on that?” Biden asked reporters last week in Iowa. “You just want me to say the words so I sound like everybody else. I’m not everybody else. I’m Joe Biden. . . . He is encouraging white supremacists. You can determine what that means.”
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Pruitt wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:48 pm So Biden was asked if he thought Trump was a racist...
“Why are you so hooked on that?” Biden asked reporters last week in Iowa. “You just want me to say the words so I sound like everybody else. I’m not everybody else. I’m Joe Biden. . . . He is encouraging white supremacists. You can determine what that means.”
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Yeah, I don't mind that one. Forces the headline away from the lazy "Biden Calls Trump Racist".
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mister d wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:52 am Yeah, I don't mind that one. Forces the headline away from the lazy "Biden Calls Trump Racist".
Yeah, you're right.

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Beto rejoining campaign tomorrow (Thursday) promising "a major address to the nation".

Whatever you think of him, I'm interested in what he has to say if his campaign is framing it like that. I suspect there's a chance he's going to go after the media for softpedaling Trump's racism and if so I'm here for that.
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The™ Houston Chronicle, I'm assuming one of if not the™ biggest paper in the™ state, called for him to run for Senate instead.
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Yeah, there's not really a pressing deadline to make that decision though. If he isn't a frontrunner in one of the first primaries (NH, IA, NV or SC), then he still has plenty of time to file to run against Cornyn.
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brian wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:19 pm Yeah, there's not really a pressing deadline to make that decision though. If he isn't a frontrunner in one of the first primaries (NH, IA, NV or SC), then he still has plenty of time to file to run against Cornyn.
I'm curious, can he use donations to his Presidential campaign towards his Senate campaign (assuming he runs for Senate)? I would think any decision on timing of announcements should hinge on when/whether he could transfer donations, or raise the most for his eventual Senate campaign. It'd be a shame if people donated to his Presidential campaign, then don't donate to his Senate campaign if the funds don't transfer.
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There's been a lot of reporting in the Tampa Bay Times lately about zombie campaigns, and I'm pretty sure he can move the money from a president to senate campaign pretty easy.
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govmentchedda wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:47 pm There's been a lot of reporting in the Tampa Bay Times lately about zombie campaigns, and I'm pretty sure he can move the money from a president to senate campaign pretty easy.
About 99 percent sure that's what Rubio did in 2016.
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govmentchedda wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:47 pm There's been a lot of reporting in the Tampa Bay Times lately about zombie campaigns, and I'm pretty sure he can move the money from a president to senate campaign pretty easy.
Great. Seems like a scam to run for President, collect funds nationwide, then campaign locally. In this day and age, a guy like Beto probably draws big money outside his constituency anyways, which also seems wrong.
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It's even worse if the "candidate" doesn't run for another office.
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brian wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:50 pm Beto rejoining campaign tomorrow (Thursday) promising "a major address to the nation".

Whatever you think of him, I'm interested in what he has to say if his campaign is framing it like that. I suspect there's a chance he's going to go after the media for softpedaling Trump's racism and if so I'm here for that.
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The fact that Bernie is the only leading candidate likely to take this position (and others challenging foreign policy orthodoxy) is a big reason why he’s the best candidate IMO. 30 years ago, during the Bush I administration, it was conventional wisdom that the US should condition its aid on Israel’s commitment to a peace process. But now the Democratic Party feigns concern about Netanyahu’s extremism but never, ever suggests doing anything about it.
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Joe K wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:22 am

The fact that Bernie is the only leading candidate likely to take this position (and others challenging foreign policy orthodoxy) is a big reason why he’s the best candidate IMO. 30 years ago, during the Bush I administration, it was conventional wisdom that the US should condition its aid on Israel’s commitment to a peace process. But now the Democratic Party feigns concern about Netanyahu’s extremism but never, ever suggests doing anything about it.
And the fact that he's a Jew will derail the cries of "anti-semitism" bound to come from the lobbyists.
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Pruitt wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:23 am And the fact that he's a Jew will derail the cries of "anti-semitism" bound to come from the lobbyists.
Yup.
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Joe K wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:43 am
Pruitt wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:23 am And the fact that he's a Jew will derail the cries of "anti-semitism" bound to come from the lobbyists.
Yup.
It's a different scenario than the one that's playing out within the Labour Party in the U.K.

There - at least it seems to me - anti-Israel feelings are being used to mask pretty deeply felt anti-semitism.

There is nothing similar within the parties in the U.S.

And I'll go further and say as a liberal Reform Jew, hearing scumbags like Trump and Pompeo and others being so stridently pro-Israel makes me cringe.

All these Jewish groups that are backing Netanyahu (who Gold Meir and Yitzhak Rabin would have spit on) are turning their back on the dream of what that country could be. Ten years from now when the Haredim are full partners with the right wingers we will see that country becoming like Iran. God - don;t get me started...
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It still, still fucking boggles my mind that Republicans can be physical manifestations of cognitive dissonance and living contradictions but they don't get called on it often enough.

Alt Right Nazis with tiki torches who are emboldened by Donald Trump's administration can chant Blood and Soil and Jews will not replace us yet still the GOP will rally around Israel and the Netanyahu regime and say anything said against them is antisemitic while simultaneously calling themselves the Party of Lincoln despite the fact that those same Nazis, and a significant portion of Trump supporters, will wave a Rebel Flag and rally around Robert E. Lee/Civil War statues.

My brain breaks every time I think of this.
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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

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Johnnie wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:03 pm It still, still fucking boggles my mind that Republicans can be physical manifestations of cognitive dissonance and living contradictions but they don't get called on it often enough.

Alt Right Nazis with tiki torches who are emboldened by Donald Trump's administration can chant Blood and Soil and Jews will not replace us yet still the GOP will rally around Israel and the Netanyahu regime and say anything said against them is antisemitic while simultaneously calling themselves the Party of Lincoln despite the fact that those same Nazis, and a significant portion of Trump supporters, will wave a Rebel Flag and rally around Robert E. Lee/Civil War statues.

My brain breaks every time I think of this.
And two Jews - who clearly do not need the money - stand behind their man while he equivocates and refuses to alienate his base by condemning said nazis. One left what, six months later, and the other one is still there playing along with the boss.

Fuck them both straight to hell.
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