2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:07 pm

I'm really hoping he drops an N-bomb soon.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:55 pm

Well, not quite the slam dunk we were hoping for, but apparently Bloomberg described Booker as "well-spoken."

Not trying to be too sensitive, but... That's racist as fuck.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:04 pm

Oh why he's just giving a compliment let me guess you wouldn't care if he said this about a white person not that he ever did but that's not the point of my hypothetical intending to invalidate your claim you vegan liberals are all the same smdh

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:52 pm

No it’s because he’s a really good cyclist

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:05 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:55 pm Well, not quite the slam dunk we were hoping for, but apparently Bloomberg described Booker as "well-spoken."

Not trying to be too sensitive, but... That's racist as fuck.

As one who has spent basically his entire life in the proximity of Jews in their mid-70s, I can pretty much verify that this is a more modern version of "a credit to his race."

Bloomberg should run for mayor of the Catskills and just go the fuck away.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:57 am

Hoping for a Booker zinger where he mentions stop and frisk if they're both in the debate stage.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:28 am

Johnnie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:57 am Hoping for a Booker zinger where he mentions stop and frisk if they're both in the debate stage.

I'm not a big fan of Booker's politics but there's no question that he's really, really smart. Calling someone with a Stanford/Yale Law/Rhodes Scholar educational background "well spoken" -- as if that's somehow a surprise -- is quite the telling slip.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:03 pm

I just assume that old people are just stuck in their acceptable level of racist when they were younger anyway.

But yea. This was literally the joke Chris Rick made in 1995.

"He speaks so well. He's so we'll spoken. No shit! He's an educated man. What did you expect him to sound like? IMMA BE PRES-O-DENT."

But that was about Colin Powell. Still applies here.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:05 pm

Mike Bloomberg appears to be creating jobs. In the advertising industry.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:52 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:05 pm Mike Bloomberg appears to be creating jobs. In the advertising industry.

I will be using that line.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:23 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:53 pm
HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:46 pm Office just down the road from tyler perry studios but ive passed twice today and wouldnt know anything is going on. A seemingly planted marine protester guy cause ive never seen him out there before but thats all. Expected some sort of police presence or delays but nothing. Guess its not really an open venue. Pretty big gates from its army base days.
My wife informs me that Miss Universe will be at held at the Tyler Perry Studios on December 8th. Will there be any protests?

Dryer broke so wife made me risk my life by going to a laundromat. Last night was bankhead and that was legitmately concerning but I got osu wiscy but tonight I got an earlier start so less sketchy but miss universe pregame. The latinas like beauty contests I guess.

ETA there is a fucking exposed exhaust fan mechanism with a table in front of it. Four feet off the floor a 36" metal fan just begging to mangle a hand two feet above a laundry table. At least there is a dusty metal grate on the outside of the fan blade so your hand won't fall behind the building.

Post by **brian** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:02 pm

Mayor Pete just lost Michigan (BCBS/MI) and Nevada (Dept. of Energy) to Trump if he's the candidate. The Department of Energy is the most hated government entity to Nevadans and it isn't even close.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:39 am

I haven't read up much on this yet. What does that list mean?

He's done work for/with them and it fucks over others?

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:28 am

Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:39 am I haven't read up much on this yet. What does that list mean?

He's done work for/with them and it fucks over others?

That list definitely means that he’s done work for/with those entities and the concern is that it’s work that fucked over others or was otherwise in pursuit of unethical goals. Based on the time periods in question, and what’s known about what some of those entities were doing then, it’s highly likely to be the case.

Personally, I don’t think Pete is necessarily a bad guy for having worked for McKinsey. I’m pretty close in age to him and went to a similarly elitist undergrad and can attest that there was a lot of institutional pressure to work for places like that. Undergraduate Career Services made it seem like finance and management consulting were the only two options, and people spoke of places like Goldman Sachs and McKinsey in reverent tones. However, given his comparatively slender political experience and recent sharp turn rightward to go after Warren, these criticisms are absolutely fair game.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:27 am

“It doesn’t necessarily make him a bad guy” doesn’t mean “it shouldn’t disqualify him from President in 2020”, just to state the obvious. Same rule as Harris.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:03 am

It depends where the Democrats want to be. If working for these companies 10 years ago is a disqualifier then do be it. The voters in the primaries will decide.

But going this far will push away many voters in the general. There may be affluent progressive voter who have kids in the same boat.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:29 am

degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:03 am It depends where the Democrats want to be. If working for these companies 10 years ago is a disqualifier then do be it. The voters in the primaries will decide.

But going this far will push away many voters in the general. There may be affluent progressive voter who have kids in the same boat.

The number of persuadable voters whose kids work for ultra-elite companies like McKinsey or on Wall Street is dwarfed by the number of voters who personally have lost their jobs or otherwise had their lives uprooted by actions those companies have taken.

ETA: Obama had a ton of appeal to affluent progressives but he also probably won re-election because of his forceful attacks on Romney’s private equity work. The “when Mitt Romney came to town” ad was a devastating piece of economic populism.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:51 am

Joe K wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:29 am
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:03 am It depends where the Democrats want to be. If working for these companies 10 years ago is a disqualifier then do be it. The voters in the primaries will decide.

But going this far will push away many voters in the general. There may be affluent progressive voter who have kids in the same boat.
The number of persuadable voters whose kids work for ultra-elite companies like McKinsey or on Wall Street is dwarfed by the number of voters who personally have lost their jobs or otherwise had their lives uprooted by actions those companies have taken.

ETA: Obama had a ton of appeal to affluent progressives but he also probably won re-election because of his forceful attacks on Romney’s private equity work. The “when Mitt Romney came to town” ad was a devastating piece of economic populism.

True but Obama took the middle ground. Yes these companies and wall street are hurting you and Romney's a private sector hack but i don't think he ever attacked the institutions themselves or tried to "remake capitalism", Warren's words.

You know how the GOP will always frame it. "There's nothing wrong with trying to be rich and successful. Liberals hate rich people and want to punish hard work. They are punishing Major Pete for pursuing success at a major company during his youth"

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:56 am

He's basically proving Bernie and Warren's point by spending money like this.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:33 am

Johnnie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:56 am He's basically proving Bernie and Warren's point by spending money like this.

There is no other country in the world where elections are such big business. There will never be meaningful electoral reform because so many people making a living off of them. Local and national tv networks probably balance their books based on what they haul in during elections.

Post by **brian** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:05 pm

Christmas came early. Mayor Pete updates his own Wikipedia entry. That ought to kill his candidacy.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... ditor.html

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:21 pm

Truly have no idea if you're being serious.

Post by **brian** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:53 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:21 pm Truly have no idea if you're being serious.

I think this will be the Dukakis Tank moment for him, yes.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:01 pm

Yang with a spot on take:

"I would just tell American people the facts they already know; that you have record-high levels of corporate profits, but also at record highs in the United States of America right now: stress, anxiety, mental illness, depression, even suicides and drug overdoses. Student loan debt, record highs," Yang told podcast Freakonomics in an episode published Wednesday.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:05 pm

You're crazy. This is a post facts and post decency world. Not even a blip.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:14 pm

brian wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:05 pm Christmas came early. Mayor Pete updates his own Wikipedia entry. That ought to kill his candidacy.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... ditor.html

Started reading and thought, "Wait, did Ashley Feinberg do it again?"

Scrolled up, saw the author, and yup. Ashley Feinberg did it again. She's damn impressive.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:41 am

I don’t see this having much impact on the race but it further confirms my perception that Buttegieg is an annoyingly self-interested striver for power. You could say the same about many in politics but I really doubt that either of the candidates I prefer (Sanders and Warren) even thought about running for office until well into their adult lives. Pete was probably brainstorming his campaign posters when he was still in middle school.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:52 am

Yeah, I don't think this is going to have much long-term impact.

He's an annoying little shit, though.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:02 am

This line of attack bothers me though.

Am I not supposed to go to a good school? Democrats are all for immigrants. What do immigrants do? Sacrifice their entire lives to get their kids into Ivy League Schools. Then at those school they are ambitious and graduate top of the class. Then get hired by the biggest firms.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:38 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:02 am This line of attack bothers me though.

Am I not supposed to go to a good school? Democrats are all for immigrants. What do immigrants do? Sacrifice their entire lives to get their kids into Ivy League Schools. Then at those school they are ambitious and graduate top of the class. Then get hired by the biggest firms.

Again, the question isn’t if Pete is a bad person. It’s whether, at age 37, he’s the best choice in a talented field of competitors to be the most powerful political figure on Earth.

Cory Booker went to super fancy schools before becoming a mayor at a young age, and he did more to try to help the underserved as a young leader than Pete. Bernie went to U. Chicago and got arrested at civil rights protests. Warren has taught at super prestigious schools and could have been financially set for her and her children’s lifetimes without lifting a finger to help the middle class.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:22 pm

It's also not a "line of attack." It's a reporter doing her job. The campaign and Pete are denying that he's been doing this and they are full of shit.

It's not a good look.

rass · Post by **rass** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:38 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:22 pm It's also not a "line of attack." It's a reporter doing her job.

Great fucking point. Thank you.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:59 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:22 pm It's also not a "line of attack." It's a reporter doing her job. The campaign and Pete are denying that he's been doing this and they are full of shit.

It's not a good look.

I didn't mean the article specifically, just the general line of attack regarding his time at McKinsey.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:08 pm

“He works in marketing, was he supposed to just ignore the offer from the NRA if it was the highest?”

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:09 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:08 pm “He works in marketing, was he supposed to just ignore the offer from the NRA if it was the highest?”

Exactly.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:17 pm

In fairness, he only has tens of billions of dollars available to hire staffers and pay a fair wage.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:54 pm

In a somewhat silly, but also fairly deep interview, Mayor Pete sits down with Jon Lovett in the latest episode of Lovett or Leave It.

Gets into his "ambitions" along with some additional stuff around his progressive bona fides.

https://crooked.com/podcast/we-impeached-him/

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:36 am

Just when you think Sneaky Pete is only an Amazon Prime TV show....

Buttigieg campaign introduces contest for lowest donation

Some Twitter users pointed out that the effect of the contest would be to lower the South Bend, Ind., mayor's average donation amount.

Post by **brian** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:55 pm

Booker probably lower than I would have thought otherwise few surprises here.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:48 pm

“Disloyal” is a very loaded choice of words there and I think it’s a strange way of interpreting those results. Putting aside Gabbard, who’s a huge outlier, you could view the results very differently. A different way to interpret the results is that the candidates at the bottom of the list have done a better job of appealing to voters who aren’t already guaranteed Dem voters than the candidates at the top of the list have. At least with Yang that seems very likely to be true. That doesn’t necessarily mean that those candidates are more electable — I doubt that Yang generates enough base enthusiasm, for example. But it could and probably should be framed in broad strokes as a positive (they could do well with swing voters) and not a negative (their voters are “disloyal”).