2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

[mister d]

Both sides.

[Joe K]

They’re both extremely elderly and prone to gaffes. Only one gets it treated like the Zapruder film on Twitter every time.

Not a bad tradeoff for Biden though considering that he largely gets a pass for his repeated lies. His statements that he got arrested trying to see Mandela, or participated in Civil Rights protests, or never tried to cut Social Security, or didn’t really want war with Iraq aren’t gaffes. They’re flat out lies. The Mandela lies alone would have torpedoed Sanders’ candidacy and you know that.

[Joe K]

How can Bernie possibly justify making everyone vote Tuesday? He's putting the community in danger with absolutely no chance of winning. He's putting the public at risk just for his own stubbornness. Is he going to make them postponed the Convention on Milwaukee? That only helps Trump win or helps Trump justify moving the election.

Didn’t realize Bernie controlled the state parties in all the states voting on Tuesday. They have every right to postpone their primaries regardless of what he or Biden says. Some states already have done so.

He doesn't be it would be easier to cancel with no race.

Ohio went ahead and cancelled in-person voting tomorrow:

[rass]

Am I nuts or has OH state gov been pretty decisive (and in the correct direction) in this whole ordeal, at least since late last week when everyone* started taking it seriously?

[A_B]

Am I nuts or has OH state gov been pretty decisive (and in the correct direction) in this whole ordeal, at least since late last week when everyone* started taking it seriously?

They have definitely been ahead of the curve.

[Giff]

Both sides.

No, only one side is pushing some dementia theory.

[Sabo]

Am I nuts or has OH state gov been pretty decisive (and in the correct direction) in this whole ordeal, at least since late last week when everyone* started taking it seriously?

I think DeWine realized he wasn't getting any leadership from DC, said fuck it and is doing what he thinks is best. We'll see how it plays out.

[Nonlinear FC]

Am I nuts or has OH state gov been pretty decisive (and in the correct direction) in this whole ordeal, at least since late last week when everyone* started taking it seriously?

They have definitely been ahead of the curve.

MD governor Hogan is getting a lot of praise.

Imagine what could have happened with a moderately competent person in charge of this from the beginning.

I know we all know this, but if the govt had been proactive, there's a really good chance the US could've avoided the bulk of what's coming. It's criminal.

[mister d]

Imagine the republican response to the competent leadership "ruining the economy".

[mister d]

Do we have the bandwidth to also talk about the DNC not mandating elections be pushed back?

[Joe K]

Do we have the bandwidth to also talk about the DNC not mandating elections be pushed back?

Benghazi!




(Worse yet, the DNC has threatened to strip delegates from states that move their elections.)

[mister d]

We talk about Fox News openly risking their audiences lives and I’m not totally sure I see much difference here, unless you’re naive enough to believe this sets/maintains future precedent.

[brian]

She really should have been the nominee you guys. She's got enough of the party insider in her to be able to bring people together on stuff like this. I hope she's successful.

[Joe K]

She really should have been the nominee you guys. She's got enough of the party insider in her to be able to bring people together on stuff like this. I hope she's successful.

Well she better start getting those insiders to listen to her fast, because it’s been political malpractice by Pelosi to let prominent Republicans outflank her to the left in proposing responses to the economic effects of the pandemic.

[P.D.X.]

Is it time?

[degenerasian]

She really should have been the nominee you guys. She's got enough of the party insider in her to be able to bring people together on stuff like this. I hope she's successful.

Shes so good at economic stuff but went nuts on social stuff. It's too bad.

[Johnnie]

Is it time?

Yes.

[Johnnie]

It's sad, ya know.

Universal Basic Income is looking like, in these times, to be a winning idea.

The people really like Medicare For All according to exit polls.

Liz Warren has awesome ideas in terms of economic overhaul.

But we'll end up with Biden. Who's electable because he's NOT TRUMP.

[Joe K]

It's sad, ya know.

Universal Basic Income is looking like, in these times, to be a winning idea.

The people really like Medicare For All according to exit polls.

Liz Warren has awesome ideas in terms of economic overhaul.

But we'll end up with Biden. Who's electable because he's NOT TRUMP.

The scary thing is that Trump’s approval rating and head-to-head polling with Biden is way higher than it should be considering how badly mismanaged his initial response to the pandemic was. If Trump can actually listen to experts for 7.5 months rather than his idiot son-in-law he’s got a very strong chance of re-election. I don’t think Biden realizes this but he may need a significantly more inspiring VP pick than Harris or Klobuchar. If he’s committed to a female VP he should tab Warren even though it presumably means loss of a Senate seat.

[Brontoburglar]

Shes so good at economic stuff but went nuts on social stuff. It's too bad.

stop this nonsense

[brian]

It's sad, ya know.

Universal Basic Income is looking like, in these times, to be a winning idea.

The people really like Medicare For All according to exit polls.

Liz Warren has awesome ideas in terms of economic overhaul.

But we'll end up with Biden. Who's electable because he's NOT TRUMP.

The scary thing is that Trump’s approval rating and head-to-head polling with Biden is way higher than it should be considering how badly mismanaged his initial response to the pandemic was. If Trump can actually listen to experts for 7.5 months rather than his idiot son-in-law he’s got a very strong chance of re-election. I don’t think Biden realizes this but he may need a significantly more inspiring VP pick than Harris or Klobuchar. If he’s committed to a female VP he should tab Warren even though it presumably means loss of a Senate seat.

I dunno. It's easy for Trump's supporters and even disinterested fence sitters to grade him on a curve (I know, I know, I know -- but some people just don't pay attention to the news), but once people start dying en masse and their 401ks drop another 40 percent they're going to be looking for someone to blame and it isn't going to be Hillary or Biden.

[mister d]

If this is the end of Sanders, its going to be wildly important that someone come in behind him and carry the ideas that are only going to get more popular. Maybe that can be how Buttigieg rebrands himself.

[brian]

If this is the end of Sanders, its going to be wildly important that someone come in behind him and carry the ideas that are only going to get more popular. Maybe that can be how Buttigieg rebrands himself.

I think is one of the roles Warren is going to play (which I tried to say, but it was immediately responded to with a smart-ass retort), but it's going to be behind the scenes in part. I don't think there's any particular animus between the two, so I think she can get through to him that this is a golden opportunity to move the party to the left in response to this crisis.

[HaulCitgo]

It's sad, ya know.

Universal Basic Income is looking like, in these times, to be a winning idea.

The people really like Medicare For All according to exit polls.

Liz Warren has awesome ideas in terms of economic overhaul.

But we'll end up with Biden. Who's electable because he's NOT TRUMP.

The scary thing is that Trump’s approval rating and head-to-head polling with Biden is way higher than it should be considering how badly mismanaged his initial response to the pandemic was. If Trump can actually listen to experts for 7.5 months rather than his idiot son-in-law he’s got a very strong chance of re-election. I don’t think Biden realizes this but he may need a significantly more inspiring VP pick than Harris or Klobuchar. If he’s committed to a female VP he should tab Warren even though it presumably means loss of a Senate seat.

Absolute bullshit. The economy is going to hell. Check those polls again with 20% unemployment kicking in

[Johnnie]

I feel like it'll just be Obama's fault.

[degenerasian]

Shes so good at economic stuff but went nuts on social stuff. It's too bad.

stop this nonsense

why didn't she win then?

[brian]

I feel like it'll just be Obama's fault.

If this was 2017 that might work (and it obviously will on some people regardless), but if tens of millions are really that stupid/racist then we deserve four more years of Trump.

[Brontoburglar]

Shes so good at economic stuff but went nuts on social stuff. It's too bad.

stop this nonsense

why didn't she win then?

why are you so obtuse?

[brian]

Sanders may be getting ready to drop out.

[Johnnie]

It's sad, ya know.

Universal Basic Income is looking like, in these times, to be a winning idea.

The people really like Medicare For All according to exit polls.

Liz Warren has awesome ideas in terms of economic overhaul.

But we'll end up with Biden. Who's electable because he's NOT TRUMP.

The scary thing is that Trump’s approval rating and head-to-head polling with Biden is way higher than it should be considering how badly mismanaged his initial response to the pandemic was. If Trump can actually listen to experts for 7.5 months rather than his idiot son-in-law he’s got a very strong chance of re-election. I don’t think Biden realizes this but he may need a significantly more inspiring VP pick than Harris or Klobuchar. If he’s committed to a female VP he should tab Warren even though it presumably means loss of a Senate seat.

[Steve of phpBB]

I don’t think Biden realizes this but he may need a significantly more inspiring VP pick than Harris or Klobuchar. If he’s committed to a female VP he should tab Warren even though it presumably means loss of a Senate seat.

Warren is not inspiring outside of a very narrow slice of the populace. If she were, she wouldn't have lost so badly. And the loss of a Senate seat is likely going to be the difference between Republican and Democratic control.

[brian]

I wouldn't sleep on Sen. Catherine Cortez-Masto (D-NV) as a possible VP pick. She checks a lot of boxes though she's not really very well known outside of political circles. She'll definitely help inspire Latino turnout though and that's not gonna hurt.

The first-ever Latinx on a national ticket being a woman wouldn't hurt at all.

[rass]

There. I guess I'm the asshole, but I don't see how this can go on indefinitely and still have some semblance of a country left. At the least, now that Trump is done ignoring it, I expect him to use this and an 18-month timeline to cancel elections in November...

So did the Dems force through the primaries last night (and to come?) because they are trying to get Biden locked in before things really go to shit, or because they're worried about setting a precedent that could be used in bengal's doomsday scenario above? Both?

[Joe K]

I don’t think Biden realizes this but he may need a significantly more inspiring VP pick than Harris or Klobuchar. If he’s committed to a female VP he should tab Warren even though it presumably means loss of a Senate seat.

Warren is not inspiring outside of a very narrow slice of the populace. If she were, she wouldn't have lost so badly. And the loss of a Senate seat is likely going to be the difference between Republican and Democratic control.

Warren’s campaign underperformed for sure but her proposed economic responses to the pandemic are miles better than the half-measures that have been coming from the Democratic Congressional leadership. And I think the public health and economic responses to Coronavirus will be the defining issue of this election.

After a pathetic initial response the GOP has now wisened up and is proposing aggressive actions like foreclosure and eviction freezes and cash payments to every American. If Biden lets Trump get to his left on those issues, he’ll lose.

[P.D.X.]

Can't wait to see all the anti-socialists refuse government assistance.

[Joe K]

Can't wait to see all the anti-socialists refuse government assistance.

Everyone becomes a democratic socialist once they realize that they themselves are at risk.

[Giff]

Can't wait to see all the anti-socialists refuse government assistance.

Of course I have Trumpers posting that if you ever said anything bad about him you shouldn't get the money he's giving out either. Too dumb for words.

[Brontoburglar]

we all know that if the elections are "canceled" that Trump has to leave office on inauguration day and that Pelosi becomes president, right?

[Steve of phpBB]

I don’t think Biden realizes this but he may need a significantly more inspiring VP pick than Harris or Klobuchar. If he’s committed to a female VP he should tab Warren even though it presumably means loss of a Senate seat.

Warren is not inspiring outside of a very narrow slice of the populace. If she were, she wouldn't have lost so badly. And the loss of a Senate seat is likely going to be the difference between Republican and Democratic control.

Warren’s campaign underperformed for sure but her proposed economic responses to the pandemic are miles better than the half-measures that have been coming from the Democratic Congressional leadership. And I think the public health and economic responses to Coronavirus will be the defining issue of this election.

After a pathetic initial response the GOP has now wisened up and is proposing aggressive actions like foreclosure and eviction freezes and cash payments to every American. If Biden lets Trump get to his left on those issues, he’ll lose.

Yeah but “what you or I like” and “what appeals to tens of millions of voters” are vastly vastly different things.

And there’s no way anyone will think the Republicans are to the left of the Democrats who wasn’t already going to vote for Trump. There just isn’t.

[mister d]

we all know that if the elections are "canceled" that Trump has to leave office on inauguration day and that Pelosi becomes president, right?

Ah yes, the rulebook that has been keeping Trump in line to date will once again save us.