2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:19 pm

This quote from HRC’s spokesmen sure makes it seem like she was quoted accurately and then walked it back after getting so much negative reaction. Using the phrase “nesting doll” is a clear reference to Russia.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:25 pm

Why would the NYT admit misquoting her then?

Post by **brian** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:31 pm

Because the New York Times famously loves Hillary Clinton (/sarcasm)

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:38 pm

Here’s the full transcript. It’s perhaps ambiguous as to who is “grooming” Gabbard but immediately after that, Clinton called her “the favorite of the Russians” and says that they are supporting her. She then says Stein is also a Russian asset. Using the word “also” there could clearly be read as saying that Gabbard is an asset too.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:02 pm

Like Romero alludes to, not even sure if what the NYT is trying to do there when the transcript and recording of the podcast itself makes it very, very clear what Clinton is saying.

Post by **brian** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:55 am

Gabbard announces she's not going to run for her House seat, probably to avoid the indignity of losing a primary. Sounds like she's being groomed by (something) for a third-party run.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:08 am

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 094964002/

Post by **brian** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:11 am

Goes from likely losing in a primary to running for President to help Trump and the Russians. What a world.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:24 am

Yeah, all this back and forth about HRC is immaterial to the larger point.

She's a piece of shit if she runs 3rd party.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:40 am

The very fact that she would appear on Hannity and talk shit about Democrats should be the nail in her coffin as far as any progressives touting her as some sort of viable alternative to anyone in the race.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:05 pm

You guys might agree with Hannity on one thing.

Hillary wants to come back to be humiliated again.

Post by **brian** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:09 pm

No. No, no, no. That's just a Republican wet dream. Just stop with that nonsense.

Post by **brian** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:24 pm

cc: BernieSanders

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:45 pm

Maybe Hillary Clinton should've spoken some words in Wisconsin if she's this fucking clairvoyant.

cc: Democrats who hate Bernie

Post by **brian** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:06 pm

Hillary's gonna be right about Gabbard just like she was right about everything in 2016 and I'm sorry if that drives you haters nuts, but it's not really her fault this is a racist, misogynistic country.

Frankly, the fact that so many so called "progressives" go out of their way to take swipes really just proves the point.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:27 pm

Centrist Democrats are basically diet Republicans.

If you don't like "progressives" because we call out the bullshit from assholes in its own party and want actual progress, that's a you issue.

It is completely in character for know-it-all Democrats to come off the top rope and act like they're so superior when they fucking lost to Donald Trump.

Sorry not sorry I don't drop to my knees to worship the Godqueen.

Post by **brian** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:07 pm

Telling on yourself...

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:11 pm

brian wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:06 pm Hillary's gonna be right about Gabbard just like she was right about everything in 2016 and I'm sorry if that drives you haters nuts, but it's not really her fault this is a racist, misogynistic country.

Frankly, the fact that so many so called "progressives" go out of their way to take swipes really just proves the point.

Besides thinking that it more important to expend resources in Phoenix and LA than in Milwaukee, and that it was a good electoral strategy to woo Republicans, Hillary was right about everything in 2016! Everyone knew that Trump is a terrible person, so let’s not act like Hillary was uniquely prescient.

Post by **brian** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:26 pm

The fact is a lot of people who should have knew better were convinced Trump would somehow grow into the job of president. And I'm not ONLY talking about Trump's fitness for office. She blew the whistle on his relationships with Putin, Erdogan, et al and was treated like a shrill harpy for it.

Scoring points on Hillary Clinton in 2019 is a ridiculous waste of time, energy and resources and yet there's two groups of people in this country who make it their life's mission for some reason -- Republicans and Bernie dead-enders.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:48 pm

brian wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:26 pm The fact is a lot of people who should have knew better were convinced Trump would somehow grow into the job of president. And I'm not ONLY talking about Trump's fitness for office. She blew the whistle on his relationships with Putin, Erdogan, et al and was treated like a shrill harpy for it.

Scoring points on Hillary Clinton in 2019 is a ridiculous waste of time, energy and resources and yet there's two groups of people in this country who make it their life's mission for some reason -- Republicans and Bernie dead-enders.

I think it's a waste if time by her to continue coming back with sarcastic "but her emails" tweets, responding to "Hilary was right" tweets, etc. She's not convincing anyone, she's just making herself exhibit all the symptoms of being a sore loser. Those who agree with her agree with her, those who don't, don't.

She believes she was screwed (whether or not I agree is pretty irrelevant). We all know this. Reminders of it are not serving any purpose because they don't turn back the clock, fix any of it, etc.

Post by **brian** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:00 pm

I agree with that as well though I don’t understand why it triggers liberals more than it does Trumpers.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:30 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:48 pm
brian wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:26 pm The fact is a lot of people who should have knew better were convinced Trump would somehow grow into the job of president. And I'm not ONLY talking about Trump's fitness for office. She blew the whistle on his relationships with Putin, Erdogan, et al and was treated like a shrill harpy for it.

Scoring points on Hillary Clinton in 2019 is a ridiculous waste of time, energy and resources and yet there's two groups of people in this country who make it their life's mission for some reason -- Republicans and Bernie dead-enders.
I think it's a waste if time by her to continue coming back with sarcastic "but her emails" tweets, responding to "Hilary was right" tweets, etc. She's not convincing anyone, she's just making herself exhibit all the symptoms of being a sore loser. Those who agree with her agree with her, those who don't, don't.

She believes she was screwed (whether or not I agree is pretty irrelevant). We all know this. Reminders of it are not serving any purpose because they don't turn back the clock, fix any of it, etc.

Maybe she's just having a little fun?

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:49 pm

The right looks more ridiculous invoking her as their proxy lib villain if she just disappears. Her reemergences validate their strategy and give them ammo, no matter the substance. And there's like no upside for dems whenever she has to make herself heard.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:07 pm

This really has a "Bears. Beats. Battlestar Galactica" vibe.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:34 pm

I think this was the same group that got dismissed by Diane Feinstein.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:38 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:34 pm I think this was the same group that got dismissed by Diane Feinstein.

TRUMP 2020

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:59 pm

Ok boomer.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:22 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:59 pmOk boomer.

Shhh. Go to sleep. The adults are talking.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:25 pm

Ok boomer.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:35 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:25 pmOk boomer.

I'm Gen X, doughboy. Remember when you said it'd be cool to vote 3rd party?

Yeah.

Good times.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:02 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:35 pm
Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:25 pmOk boomer.
I'm Gen X, doughboy. Remember when you said it'd be cool to vote 3rd party?

Yeah.

Good times.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:23 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:02 pm
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:35 pm
Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:25 pmOk boomer.
I'm Gen X, doughboy. Remember when you said it'd be cool to vote 3rd party?

Yeah.

Good times.

Or, something somebody would say who was born in 1970 (but that is hilarious in its smugness).

I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him for not giving a crap if people don't come out in '20 to vote if they feel it's just Democrats rigging the system for some centrist. Which is a flat-out embarrassing position to maintain considering the damage Trump has done to the United States' place in the world.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:30 am

Cameron just perfectly recited an Elizabeth Warren ad while the TV was on mute. YouTube, y'all

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:29 am

I’ve made this point before but the evidence keeps mounting that progressives aren’t the ones we need to worry about playing spoiler. But I sure wouldn’t hold my breath on Manchin getting accused of ties to Russia.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:41 pm

But he has the D next to his name!!!

Post by **brian** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:42 pm

I think there's plenty to worry about on both sides.

ETA: Manchin obviously sucks, but someone show me this progressive unicorn candidate who is going to be elected to statewide office in West Motherfucking Virginia. I'd still rather have a tool like Manchin who votes with the Dems 75 percent of the time than a MAGA turd who votes with Trump 100 percent of the time. Those are basically the only two options in WV as it stands right now for those who live in the real world.

Unlike Manchin, who holds almost literally zero sway with the party rank and file there is the real potential for some nasty internecine squabbling in the next few months from the extreme left. I think most of that has been overblown to date and the truth is most everyone has been on their best behavior for the most part, minor quibbles aside, but everyone needs to keep their eye on the ball for the next 12 months.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:07 pm

- Committee on Appropriations
- Committee on Energy and Natural Resources (Ranking)

Post by **brian** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:16 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:07 pm - Committee on Appropriations
- Committee on Energy and Natural Resources (Ranking)

In a legislative body run by the GOP.

IF the Dems somehow take back the Senate and IF they somehow don't fuck it up and manage to beat Trump and IF Manchin is then voting with the GOP to block bills that would actually help solve climate change, etc. then sure -- pull his committee assignments and make him choose once and for all. If all of those things happen, worrying about what the fuck Joe Manchin thinks about anything would be a nut-bustingly lovely predicament to be in compared to right now.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:23 pm

You're going to feel like a dick when he changes parties after "we" propped him up to support Trump and appoint sex offenders to the SCOTUS.

Post by **brian** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:15 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:23 pm You're going to feel like a dick when he changes parties after "we" propped him up to support Trump and appoint sex offenders to the SCOTUS.

Again, you're spinning your wheels here. In this magical, fantasy world you've concocted where some Bernie clone runs for the Senate in WV instead of Manchin, he loses by 30 points to Cunningham.