Joe K wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:50 amI don’t think Biden realizes this but he may need a significantly more inspiring VP pick than Harris or Klobuchar. If he’s committed to a female VP he should tab Warren even though it presumably means loss of a Senate seat.
Warren is not inspiring outside of a very narrow slice of the populace. If she were, she wouldn't have lost so badly. And the loss of a Senate seat is likely going to be the difference between Republican and Democratic control.
Warren’s campaign underperformed for sure but her proposed economic responses to the pandemic are miles better than the half-measures that have been coming from the Democratic Congressional leadership. And I think the public health and economic responses to Coronavirus will be the defining issue of this election.
After a pathetic initial response the GOP has now wisened up and is proposing aggressive actions like foreclosure and eviction freezes and cash payments to every American. If Biden lets Trump get to his left on those issues, he’ll lose.
Yeah but “what you or I like” and “what appeals to tens of millions of voters” are vastly vastly different things.
And there’s no way anyone will think the Republicans are to the left of the Democrats who wasn’t already going to vote for Trump. There just isn’t.
This is from a top aide to Pelosi:
Giving everyone cash and freezing evictions, both of which Trump has recently floated, are significantly to the left of means testing for targeted tax credits.
Joe K wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:50 amI don’t think Biden realizes this but he may need a significantly more inspiring VP pick than Harris or Klobuchar. If he’s committed to a female VP he should tab Warren even though it presumably means loss of a Senate seat.
Warren is not inspiring outside of a very narrow slice of the populace. If she were, she wouldn't have lost so badly. And the loss of a Senate seat is likely going to be the difference between Republican and Democratic control.
Warren’s campaign underperformed for sure but her proposed economic responses to the pandemic are miles better than the half-measures that have been coming from the Democratic Congressional leadership. And I think the public health and economic responses to Coronavirus will be the defining issue of this election.
After a pathetic initial response the GOP has now wisened up and is proposing aggressive actions like foreclosure and eviction freezes and cash payments to every American. If Biden lets Trump get to his left on those issues, he’ll lose.
Yeah but “what you or I like” and “what appeals to tens of millions of voters” are vastly vastly different things.
And there’s no way anyone will think the Republicans are to the left of the Democrats who wasn’t already going to vote for Trump. There just isn’t.
This is from a top aide to Pelosi:
Giving everyone cash and freezing evictions, both of which Trump has recently floated, are significantly to the left of means testing for targeted tax credits.
Yeah, what does Nancy Pelosi know about national politics anyway.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
As for what's included in the $27 billion for families, aimed at relieving pressure to make rent and mortgage payments or paying for groceries:
Temporary boost to the Canada Child Benefit payment by nearly $2 billion;
Introduce emergency care benefit of up to $900 bi-weekly for 15 weeks for those who have to stay home and don't have paid sick leave like those who can't access EI and are sick, or who are taking care of a child or someone who is sick;
A $5 billion emergency support benefit through the CRA for support workers who are facing unemployment as well as an additional amount for low-income people through the GST credit;
Waiving the one-week waiting period for EI sickness benefits for six months and waiving the requirement for a doctor's note to access this assistance;
Extending the tax filing deadline for individuals to June 1, and allowing taxpayers to defer payment until after August 31;
Providing eligible small businesses a 10 per cent wage subsidy for the next 90 days, up to a maximum of $1,375 per employee and $25,000 per employer;
Allowing lenders to defer mortgage payments;
Plus a host of other targeted supports for vulnerable groups including seniors, the homeless population, implementing a six-month interest free moratorium on student loan payments, Indigenous people and women and children fleeing domestic violence.
As for what’s in the $55 billion being offered to stabilize the economy and boost consumer confidence:
Allowing all businesses to defer until after August 31, payment of income taxes, interest-free;
Making additional funds and credit available to businesses of all sizes, including farmers; and
Purchasing up to $50 billion insured mortgage pools to stabilize funding to banks and lenders.
This massive package is equal to three per cent of Canada's GDP.
Kung Fu movies are like porn. There's 1 on 1, then 2 on 1, then a group scene..
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:12 am
I think you're again relying on laws and norms enforcing themselves versus "due to deadlock we've changed the rules to majority" and that's that.
And you think there would be even a majority in the House to keep Trump in office?
I do not, nor do I think that will matter when they structure it so the Senate, if not the office of president, makes the decision. "Unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures" or whatever.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:13 pmOh shit, you just reminded me about toilet paper.
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:17 am
I do not, nor do I think that will matter when they structure it so the Senate, if not the office of president, makes the decision. "Unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures" or whatever.
unprecedented measures that would require two-thirds of congress
"We're not the smartest people in the world. We go down the straightaway and turn left. That's literally what we do." -- Clint Bowyer
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:59 am
Or else what? Pelosi and Schumer "force" an election?
Does Mister D stand for Mister Degen?
Seriously, did you not read that article and/or what about "trump would be a squatter in the white house who actually wasn't the president if he overstayed his tenure" doesn't make sense?
"We're not the smartest people in the world. We go down the straightaway and turn left. That's literally what we do." -- Clint Bowyer
It makes sense when societal norms and rules apply. Same as "he has to divest or else it violates the emoluments clause" or any dozen other things no past president could have gotten away with. And when you take it one more step down the road to "who" would remove a president who won't step down ... all laws need people to apply those laws. "We voted" doesn't effect physical change.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:13 pmOh shit, you just reminded me about toilet paper.
brian wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:05 amTulsi taps out.
I guess Hillary was wrong and she wasn’t working for Putin? Shocker.
I don't have faith in most Majors I interact with in the military, but at the very least I know they support and defend the Constitution and swear an oath to it. Saying one works for Putin is even a level I wouldn't go.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:29 pm
It makes sense when societal norms and rules apply. Same as "he has to divest or else it violates the emoluments clause" or any dozen other things no past president could have gotten away with. And when you take it one more step down the road to "who" would remove a president who won't step down ... all laws need people to apply those laws. "We voted" doesn't effect physical change.
the emoluments clause is not the slippery slope to "man who isn't the president any longer believes he is"
"We're not the smartest people in the world. We go down the straightaway and turn left. That's literally what we do." -- Clint Bowyer
Ah yes, the rulebook that has been keeping Trump in line to date will once again save us.
Bill Maher had been asking Dem Presidential candidates what they will do if Trump loses the election and refuses to leave. There inability to respond was scary. Mayor Pete cracked jokes, the others kind of blew off the question as if it couldn't happen. This asshole ain't walking away without a fight, and he will rile up the base to support his excuses. They will believe anything he says, and I don't think he is capable of believing he lost fairly if he loses.
An honest to God cult of personality - formed around a failed steak salesman.
-Pruitt
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:29 pm
It makes sense when societal norms and rules apply. Same as "he has to divest or else it violates the emoluments clause" or any dozen other things no past president could have gotten away with. And when you take it one more step down the road to "who" would remove a president who won't step down ... all laws need people to apply those laws. "We voted" doesn't effect physical change.
the emoluments clause is not the slippery slope to "man who isn't the president any longer believes he is"
I don't see any way there would be a Congressional vote as to whether Trump's term extended beyond four years. If there was going to be a conflict, it would be someone in court arguing that a Trump order is ineffective (or that a Pelosi order is). That would end up in the Supreme Court.
So ...
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:39 pm
I don't have faith in most Majors I interact with in the military, but at the very least I know they support and defend the Constitution and swear an oath to it. Saying one works for Putin is even a level I wouldn't go.
And if the Commander in Chief declared the election wasn't legitimate and must be ignored [for Constitutional reasons], then what do the military brass do? I assume the majority of the military still somehow support Trump, despite all of his attacks on Gold Star families, draft dodging, preferring heroes who don't get captured, being smarter than all the Generals, siding with Putin over military intelligence, slobbering all over dictators cocks... None of the other institutions of government have held Trump in check, why would the military?
An honest to God cult of personality - formed around a failed steak salesman.
-Pruitt
I didn't say emoluments was a/the slippery slope, I was illustrating something that was historically airtight being ignored and everyone deciding to just move on. The non-binding but still existing precedent is "Trump does what he wants, the party supports him and the opposition party either chooses not to act or fails in their attempt". Beyond "he can't do that because we have laws", I don't understand your faith that he can't be physically in office in February by any means other than winning a fair and just election.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:13 pmOh shit, you just reminded me about toilet paper.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:39 pm
I don't have faith in most Majors I interact with in the military, but at the very least I know they support and defend the Constitution and swear an oath to it. Saying one works for Putin is even a level I wouldn't go.
And if the Commander in Chief declared the election wasn't legitimate and must be ignored [for Constitutional reasons], then what do the military brass do? I assume the majority of the military still somehow support Trump, despite all of his attacks on Gold Star families, draft dodging, preferring heroes who don't get captured, being smarter than all the Generals, siding with Putin over military intelligence, slobbering all over dictators cocks... None of the other institutions of government have held Trump in check, why would the military?
If that happened, and the military really forcibly protected him from leaving office, then I would hope that the opposition in Congress would walk out in protest. (...and, hello Banana Republic!)
Pretty elaborate what if there. It would be a fight by Congress to figure out how to handle an insurrection like that. And if it came to that? All hope is lost. Honestly.
The active duty military exists as a non partisan entity and would have no say so in a transference of power. So unless someone in the cabinet or a general decided to take matters into his own hands, then I really don't know.
The lower enlisted love Trump. They are young, from mostly red states, and fucking ignorant of the world. Those with education don't like him. And the military historically has always loved a republican president because of the illusion that they are "pro military." I don't have the time to figure out why or ask questions and be patient to those types. In order to maintain discipline within the ranks the example is set by the Joint Chiefs and service secretaries down.
We've had two female Air Force secretaries, a black Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force, and a Jewish Chief of Staff of the Air Force since Trump has been president. Replacing the current Chief of Staff is a black Chief of Staff this summer. So, I don't know. I'll listen to my chain of command if politics goes sideways and Trump refuses to leave the office if he gets voted out.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:22 pm
That was four (4) hours ago and the number has already doubled. This should be the kind of scandal where they can’t be part of society anymore.
From what I’m reading, the Inhofe and Feinstein sales aren’t really that suspicious. As much as I’d love to see both go down.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:25 am
It's sad, ya know.
Universal Basic Income is looking like, in these times, to be a winning idea.
The people really like Medicare For All according to exit polls.
Liz Warren has awesome ideas in terms of economic overhaul.
But we'll end up with Biden. Who's electable because he's NOT TRUMP.
The scary thing is that Trump’s approval rating and head-to-head polling with Biden is way higher than it should be considering how badly mismanaged his initial response to the pandemic was. If Trump can actually listen to experts for 7.5 months rather than his idiot son-in-law he’s got a very strong chance of re-election. I don’t think Biden realizes this but he may need a significantly more inspiring VP pick than Harris or Klobuchar. If he’s committed to a female VP he should tab Warren even though it presumably means loss of a Senate seat.
Absolute bullshit. The economy is going to hell. Check those polls again with 20% unemployment kicking in
Again, this all could change as the economic and public health toll deepens but I wasn’t just pulling the Trump polling stuff out of my ass. As Trump’s presumptive opponent, Biden should be putting forth an entire policy platform on a pandemic response, and speaking to the American people regularly about those issues. But that’s not happening because the campaign is so careful about limiting his appearances.
Whatever you think of Biden, they're not limiting his appearances out of fears of Biden fucking up. People are scared and this isn't really a time to be trying to score political points. Even Trump himself has toned that down for the most part. There will be plenty of time for scorekeeping before the election, so I think it's pretty smart for Biden to stick to Twitter and other platforms like that to put out his message for the moment.
