2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:32 pm

"Believe All Women (unless they accuse a man you like at which point demand an unattainable level of proof which mirrors the level of proof you're disgusted to hear demanded when its a man you don't like)"

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:46 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:27 pm The literal baseline is "believe all women" and even Biden said that himself. And after Democrats have eaten their own over sexual harassment and assault allegations, the only way to play this and not look like a hypocrite is to do the same for Biden. So we'll see how the establishment reacts.

So it's probable and likely that he wants to be progressive on issues genuinely and involve women at high political positions, but it doesn't feel that way because of his past and the current climate right now.

I really don't care if you get mad at me for that.

Not mad at you. I just don't consider it pandering. Maybe that's a step I'm missing, but I'm fully on board with as many elected women as possible.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:58 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:46 pm
Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:27 pm The literal baseline is "believe all women" and even Biden said that himself. And after Democrats have eaten their own over sexual harassment and assault allegations, the only way to play this and not look like a hypocrite is to do the same for Biden. So we'll see how the establishment reacts.

So it's probable and likely that he wants to be progressive on issues genuinely and involve women at high political positions, but it doesn't feel that way because of his past and the current climate right now.

I really don't care if you get mad at me for that.
Not mad at you. I just don't consider it pandering. Maybe that's a step I'm missing, but I'm fully on board with as many elected women as possible.

I'll be happy if he surprises me and picks Warren. In the more likely event that it's Harris or Klobuchar, I'll be disappointed. I find both of them to be very uninspiring -- particularly given the magnitude of the challenges that the next administration will face and the not-so remote possibility that Biden's VP will have to step into the top job.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:12 pm

I completely agree that more women in positions of power would be better for the nation. And I too would love Warren as Veep (and she could basically dual hat as Treasury Secretary instead of a placeholder like a typical Veep).

I'm simply talking optics. Like, Hillary Clinton could've always kept hot sauce in her purse her entire life. But when did she decide to tell everyone? On the Breakfast Club when being interviewed by Charlamagne Tha God. That makes people roll their eyes.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:36 pm

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:42 pm

Sounds like a campaign slogan.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:59 pm

What was it? Gone already.

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:09 pm

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:59 pm What was it? Gone already.

Roughly - “Let’s say Joe is a rapist. Wouldn’t you rather vote for the rapist with the better policies?”

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:16 pm

Contested convention. Give us Liz.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:36 pm

Guessing it's the one screen grabbed here:

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:33 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:36 pm Guessing it's the one screen grabbed here:

Now a number of high profile Biden supporters, including his campaign manager, have gone back and deleted all their Tweets about Brett Kavanaugh.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:59 pm

On the bright side for a subset of Dems, pretty soon Hillary won't have the ignominy of having lost the easiest election ever.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:43 am

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:00 am

Reality Has Endorsed Bernie Sanders.

Unfortunately, the wisdom of the crowd determined Biden was the safe, electable choice against Trump. Americans are Very Smart™.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:16 am

Who knew relying on a voter bloc that never turns out for elections would be a bad strategy?!

Keep running with this dementia talk, guys. Makes the whole Bernie Bro myth so much harder to believe!

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:29 am

Giff wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:16 am Who knew relying on a voter bloc that never turns out for elections would be a bad strategy?!

Keep running with this dementia talk, guys. Makes the whole Bernie Bro myth so much harder to believe!

No one gives a shit what I, Johnnie or Mr. D post on this message board. But Joe Rogan is hardly a "Bernie Bro" and he has an enormous audience. And the fact that he's saying stuff like that further confirms that the Biden decline is a real issue.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:07 pm

Believing the Bernie Bro idea in the first place is already self defeating. But please, keep trying to speak it into existence.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:10 pm

Can we start an all-encompassing list of things people aren't really disputing about Biden but that we're not allowed to talk about but also totally won't be effectively used against him in the general? Should be great to look back on.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:21 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:10 pm Can we start an all-encompassing list of things people aren't really disputing about Biden but that we're not allowed to talk about but also totally won't be effectively used against him in the general? Should be great to look back on.

Last night, Andrew Cuomo's own brother asked him on primetime CNN about the possibility of him stepping in for Biden. And yet, we're supposed to believe that it's only "Bernie Bros" who think Biden might not be up for the job. It's pretty obvious that it's being framed that way so that Bernie gets blamed if Biden implodes in the general.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:35 pm

Short of major health issue no one is stepping in for anyone. Not sure an extremely interested family member is reflective of the public. Nevermind that CNN continues to validate Trump's criticism on a daily basis. That crap ceased to be news a while ago.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:06 pm

Yeah, I mean it's not like we're in the middle of a global pandemic where best case scenario is 100k deaths according to a guy who hasn't been right about anything this entire disaster and who most assuredly has blood on his hands because of whatever mix of ignorance and narcissism. Let's try to make a big deal about how Biden flubs his words and spread conspiracy theories about him having dementia. I'm sure Bernie will catch on to the masses in 2024!

Post by **brian** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:08 pm

Let's just expose both Bernie and Biden to COVID-19 and whichever survives gets the nomination. Like a cage match. No complaining about the outcome either way.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:10 pm

To be fair: I was criticizing Biden before the pandemic. Don't use that as a cop out. It looks foolish.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:29 pm

Giff wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:06 pmLet's try to make a big deal about how Biden flubs his words and spread conspiracy theories about him having dementia.

I don't believe that you don't see a difference between 2020 Biden and 2008 Biden.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:47 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:29 pm
Giff wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:06 pmLet's try to make a big deal about how Biden flubs his words and spread conspiracy theories about him having dementia.
I don't believe that you don't see a difference between 2020 Biden and 2008 Biden.

Yup. If you watch the 2008 or 2012 VP debates, or any of Biden's floor speeches from his decades in the Senate, he was a very confident and smooth extemporaneous speaker. Now he often struggles to even follow along with a teleprompter or with annotated notes during friendly TV interviews. It's incredible that the Democratic Party thinks this won't be patently obvious to undecided voters during the general election campaign.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:50 pm

Yeah theres politically driven agendas then there's the reality that Biden is losing it. Just it's not that bad and dude at 60% awareness is better than the current guy or Bernie, cause then we get the orange guy again. I'd go Cuomo but that ship has sailed. Pretty clear he's going to ride virus horse to a run at the white house. Bet Biden wished he wouldn't have made a snap decision to run a woman on the ticket. This guy looking way better than those options.

Post by **brian** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:14 pm

Ideologically, Biden is like Eugene Debs compared to Cuomo. Bernie tried to primary him with an actress from Sex In The City a little more than a year ago for everyone with short memories.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:27 pm

brian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:14 pmBernie tried to primary him

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:49 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:29 pm
Giff wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:06 pmLet's try to make a big deal about how Biden flubs his words and spread conspiracy theories about him having dementia.
I don't believe that you don't see a difference between 2020 Biden and 2008 Biden.

I do take that post back.

Could someone please link me to said post to I can quote and offer an official mea culpa?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:51 pm

Usually when one labels something a conspiracy theory, its not because they agree.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:17 pm

That's not the conspiracy theory. Unless you think the only explanation for someone not being as sharp as they age can only be explained by an armchair doctor prognosis of dementia.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:38 pm

Oh. So its semantics over the cause of his cognitive decline, not whether its happened.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:41 pm

"LOL BERNIE BROS looks like it was Alzheimers and not dementia like you'd theorized we win again!"

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:02 pm

So based off your love of the strawman, I can only assume your argument is that Bernie Sanders, at 78, is just as mentally sharp as he was at 66?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:17 pm

I'm willing to see evidence to the contrary.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:54 pm

Like ... come the fuck on:

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:18 pm

Seriously.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:57 am

Outside of a couple of the debates (he was OK?), I haven't seen him speak much this year. I've been working under the assumption that some of the clips I've seen of him are cherrypicked (duh) to make him look bad (duh), but the ones like that one above are just deflating.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:10 pm

Giff, are we ok to call this “dangerously ill-informed” or is that too divisive?

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:27 pm

I’ll allow it.