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Joe K wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:33 pm When I lived in Boston I used to pass by John Henry’s yacht all the time when I went for walks or jogs along the harbor. That thing was ridiculous and I agree that level of conspicuous consumption is pretty gross.

ETA: according to the esteemed website superyachtfan.com, Henry’s yacht is worth “only” $90M.
All that ketchup money has to go somewhere. Makes that folksy photo of him hunting look all the more ridiculous.

He's just an out of touch elitest statesman. Definitely loved when he talked about Manny Ortez.
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Sabo wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:06 pm
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brian wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:19 pm There’s a $150M yacht here in the Cabo marina right now. That kind of wealth is offensive. I’ll never understand how so many Americans are hoodwinked into thinking they’ll be that wealthy one day instead of taxing it to improve their own prospects of staying or landing in the middle class. Americans are so fucking dumb.
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Johnnie wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:50 pm
Joe K wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:33 pm When I lived in Boston I used to pass by John Henry’s yacht all the time when I went for walks or jogs along the harbor. That thing was ridiculous and I agree that level of conspicuous consumption is pretty gross.

ETA: according to the esteemed website superyachtfan.com, Henry’s yacht is worth “only” $90M.
All that ketchup money has to go somewhere. Makes that folksy photo of him hunting look all the more ridiculous.

He's just an out of touch elitest statesman. Definitely loved when he talked about Manny Ortez.
John Henry, not Kerry. So that’s money from commodities trading and selling bricks at Fenway Park.
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Joe K wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:27 am
Johnnie wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:50 pm
Joe K wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:33 pm When I lived in Boston I used to pass by John Henry’s yacht all the time when I went for walks or jogs along the harbor. That thing was ridiculous and I agree that level of conspicuous consumption is pretty gross.

ETA: according to the esteemed website superyachtfan.com, Henry’s yacht is worth “only” $90M.
All that ketchup money has to go somewhere. Makes that folksy photo of him hunting look all the more ridiculous.

He's just an out of touch elitest statesman. Definitely loved when he talked about Manny Ortez.
John Henry, not Kerry. So that’s money from commodities trading and selling bricks at Fenway Park.
Damn. I just pulled a John Kerry.

Regardless, he has a yacht too. He even parked it out of state to avoid serious Massachusetts taxes! What a patriot.
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In full agreement with brian... The way to whip Trump and the GOP's ass is to keep riding the younger generation's energy and momentum.

Bernie, Biden and Warren* are not the way to go.

* - I wouldn't mind her as a potential VP candidate. She'd kick the shit out of Pence.
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While an older candidate like Sanders or Warren is not ideal, I would note that the younger generation of voters and activists is fairly populist on economic issues and those two have significant appeal in that respect. See the Tweets below, which reference the same Politico article for more:



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So do we believe Schultz has any real intentions of running or is it just a threat to keep the Rs in office if the Ds go too left?
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I, personally, don't need Wall Street to be freaked out by my candidate of choice. I'm moving towards retirement (sorta, it's still 15 years off) and just in general I'm more moderate on some of the economic stuff. I do think it's better for most of the country to move in a progressive direction, and I fully support taxing the ultra-rich a good deal more. And line up behind a lot of Warren's (and Sanders) proposed laws to protect consumers and cut down on all the bilking going on with banks/credit cards/insurance companies.

I think Sanders/Warren will pull the other youngsters in this direction. And like I said, Warren would be a great candidate in the VP slot.

The problem with Sanders is a touch of what brian said, and just in general he hit a plateau last go 'round that had nothing to do with being held back by the party establishment. He's straight up not relatable to a huge chunk of the country. Larry David, but talking about taxes and health care, is just not appealing to a lot of people. (I don't like Curb and I grew up in MI, so maybe I'm overly biased.)
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mister d wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:28 pm So do we believe Schultz has any real intentions of running or is it just a threat to keep the Rs in office if the Ds go too left?
I don't know what game he's playing, but it's going to get fucking REAL when/if he acts like he's being serious and the boycotts kick in.
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mister d wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:28 pm So do we believe Schultz has any real intentions of running or is it just a threat to keep the Rs in office if the Ds go too left?
100% the latter. Same with Bloomberg’s repeated flirtations with running. America’s oligarchs like those two prefer Trumpism over progressive taxation.
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That's the thing with Bloomberg, he (his business) is totally inoculated. I'm not kidding at all when I say that *$ will get hammered if Schultz keeps this shit up.
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Guys, he's selling a book.

https://m.barnesandnoble.com/w/from-the ... 0593132548

It's on the B&N main page.

We'll see if he's gonna do it, but I like Pfeiffer's take:

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Joe K wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:31 pm
mister d wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:28 pm So do we believe Schultz has any real intentions of running or is it just a threat to keep the Rs in office if the Ds go too left?
100% the latter. Same with Bloomberg’s repeated flirtations with running. America’s oligarchs like those two prefer Trumpism over progressive taxation.
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I mean fuck yeah. If Bernie gets the nomination that’s my fucking guy.
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That thread is fine and all but its rooted in the premise we need to value that sort of party structure going forward.
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I think the thing that many people still don’t get is that the party is moving way left one way or another. If Harris or Beto get the nomination it will be running on Medicare For All and $15 minimum wage etc. that’s going to be the only way to get nominated
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Here's a good primer by Vox with everything regarding 2020.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy ... ic-primary

As an aside, if Democrats can energize my generation and the generation after mine too get out and vote, they have a solid chance of destroying.

After this Trump experiment and story after story of gross and disgusting wealth inequality, everyone may finally get the point that we need to bond together and flush out the bullshit.

Wealth taxes. AOC's marginal tax suggestion. Universal basic income. Universal health Care. Minimum wage increases. Marijuana legalization. Absolving student debt. Home buyer credits. Firearm background checks. Etc. It needs to all be on the table.

Basic fucking math should be the campaign of the eventual nominee. The 2017 GDP was $19.39 Trillion dollars. Taxed appropriately, we all can do better.

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Johnnie wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:43 pm Guys, he's selling a book.

https://m.barnesandnoble.com/w/from-the ... 0593132548

It's on the B&N main page.

We'll see if he's gonna do it, but I like Pfeiffer's take:

Not sure why he's talking about Schultz' role in the Sonics sale/theft. Its all out in the open...just find the 'SonicsGate' movie on youtube.
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With his performance this week if he really does run for president, I don't think Schultz is going to get as many votes from the left as some people seem to think. It's actually possible it could make it MORE likely that a Dem nominee with more extreme views on taxation like Warren or Bernie could even win.

For starters, centrist candidates have typically drawn an equal number of defectors from both parties (i.e. Anderson, 1980 and Perot) and Schultz's positions seem to be staking himself more towards the right anyway. He could end up spending $200M just to draw moderate Republicans completely away from Trump.

I think there's a definite groundswell of support in this country for a much higher tax bracket on eight-figure incomes.
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It is driving me CRAZY that anyone is taking Howard Schultz seriously at all. That guy FUCKED all of the NBA fans here in Seattle. If/When he tries to hold a campaign rally here, you better believe I'll be there with my torch and pitchfork.
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brian wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:28 pmWith his performance this week if he really does run for president, I don't think Schultz is going to get as many votes from the left as some people seem to think. It's actually possible it could make it MORE likely that a Dem nominee with more extreme views on taxation like Warren or Bernie could even win.
Eh, I think its a bigger threat than you're making it, especially considering there was no "left" candidate in the last election. Schultz is a lot closer to Clinton than Clinton is to a true progressive, so consistent voters would get siphoned off the D vote in Trump/Schultz/left election.
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DaveInSeattle wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:57 pm It is driving me CRAZY that anyone is taking Howard Schultz seriously at all. That guy FUCKED all of the NBA fans here in Seattle. If/When he tries to hold a campaign rally here, you better believe I'll be there with my torch and pitchfork.
why would he hold a rally in Washington?
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DaveInSeattle wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:14 pm Not sure why he's talking about Schultz' role in the Sonics sale/theft. Its all out in the open...just find the 'SonicsGate' movie on youtube.
You live in Seattle, so you know all about it. Most people in the rest of the country know little about it.
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mister d wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:05 pm
brian wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:28 pmWith his performance this week if he really does run for president, I don't think Schultz is going to get as many votes from the left as some people seem to think. It's actually possible it could make it MORE likely that a Dem nominee with more extreme views on taxation like Warren or Bernie could even win.
Eh, I think its a bigger threat than you're making it, especially considering there was no "left" candidate in the last election. Schultz is a lot closer to Clinton than Clinton is to a true progressive, so consistent voters would get siphoned off the D vote in Trump/Schultz/left election.
Jill Stein cost Hillary MI and WI, so I don't agree with that assessment either, but I get what you're saying. There's a lot of unknowns around a potential third-party candidacy and it's all just speculation anyway.
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Johnnie wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:38 pm Here's a good primer by Vox with everything regarding 2020.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy ... ic-primary

As an aside, if Democrats can energize my generation and the generation after mine too get out and vote, they have a solid chance of destroying.

After this Trump experiment and story after story of gross and disgusting wealth inequality, everyone may finally get the point that we need to bond together and flush out the bullshit.

Wealth taxes. AOC's marginal tax suggestion. Universal basic income. Universal health Care. Minimum wage increases. Marijuana legalization. Absolving student debt. Home buyer credits. Firearm background checks. Etc. It needs to all be on the table.

Basic fucking math should be the campaign of the eventual nominee. The 2017 GDP was $19.39 Trillion dollars. Taxed appropriately, we all can do better.

The Republicans choose their side: rich white Christians who hate the other. I mean, seriously. My generation is quick to call bullshit on everyone and meme the shit out of it. Just tap into that and ride the wave. It's right there.
The theory of high taxation always bothers me in this way. The rich company owners just hide their money, lower their income or layoff people. That tax money never gets raised or never ends up in the right hands. The candidate who proposes this will get the 'have you ever created a job?" argument lobbed at them. Also, are we raising rich people just to tax them 75%?

And you forgot hookers.
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degenerasian wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:01 pm
Johnnie wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:38 pm Here's a good primer by Vox with everything regarding 2020.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy ... ic-primary

As an aside, if Democrats can energize my generation and the generation after mine too get out and vote, they have a solid chance of destroying.

After this Trump experiment and story after story of gross and disgusting wealth inequality, everyone may finally get the point that we need to bond together and flush out the bullshit.

Wealth taxes. AOC's marginal tax suggestion. Universal basic income. Universal health Care. Minimum wage increases. Marijuana legalization. Absolving student debt. Home buyer credits. Firearm background checks. Etc. It needs to all be on the table.

Basic fucking math should be the campaign of the eventual nominee. The 2017 GDP was $19.39 Trillion dollars. Taxed appropriately, we all can do better.

The Republicans choose their side: rich white Christians who hate the other. I mean, seriously. My generation is quick to call bullshit on everyone and meme the shit out of it. Just tap into that and ride the wave. It's right there.
The theory of high taxation always bothers me in this way. The rich company owners just hide their money, lower their income or layoff people. That tax money never gets raised or never ends up in the right hands. The candidate who proposes this will get the 'have you ever created a job?" argument lobbed at them. Also, are we raising rich people just to tax them 75%?

And you forgot hookers.
Dude, this is just dead wrong. Certainly, tax avoidance and other schemes to hide income will increase as a result, but most Scandinavian countries have similar tax rates without high levels of tax avoidance and the United States itself did for most of the 1950s and 1960s. The highest tax rate was I believe 50 percent until Reagan took office.

Any kind of increase in the highest marginal tax rate would have to include some increased funding for the IRS to find and prosecute tax cheats to the fullest extent of the law (which frankly we should be doing already).

Put simply -- if you make $20M a year and you're complaining because that last $10M is being taxed at 70 percent then fuck you. Give up your US citizenship and fuck off to the Cayman Islands if you don't want to contribute.
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sancarlos wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:11 pm
DaveInSeattle wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:14 pm Not sure why he's talking about Schultz' role in the Sonics sale/theft. Its all out in the open...just find the 'SonicsGate' movie on youtube.
You live in Seattle, so you know all about it. Most people in the rest of the country know little about it.
And the few outside Seattle that know, don't care. You probably have more people that praise him for bringing the team to OKC than care that he took the Sonics out of Seattle. Aside from having the coolest uniforms, the Sonics were largely a forgotten franchise except for a couple of years with Kemp, McDaniel and Olden Polynice.
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The Sybian wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:12 pm
sancarlos wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:11 pm
DaveInSeattle wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:14 pm Not sure why he's talking about Schultz' role in the Sonics sale/theft. Its all out in the open...just find the 'SonicsGate' movie on youtube.
You live in Seattle, so you know all about it. Most people in the rest of the country know little about it.
And the few outside Seattle that know, don't care. You probably have more people that praise him for bringing the team to OKC than care that he took the Sonics out of Seattle. Aside from having the coolest uniforms, the Sonics were largely a forgotten franchise except for a couple of years with Kemp, McDaniel and Olden Polynice.
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brian wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:09 pm
degenerasian wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:01 pm
Johnnie wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:38 pm Here's a good primer by Vox with everything regarding 2020.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy ... ic-primary

As an aside, if Democrats can energize my generation and the generation after mine too get out and vote, they have a solid chance of destroying.

After this Trump experiment and story after story of gross and disgusting wealth inequality, everyone may finally get the point that we need to bond together and flush out the bullshit.

Wealth taxes. AOC's marginal tax suggestion. Universal basic income. Universal health Care. Minimum wage increases. Marijuana legalization. Absolving student debt. Home buyer credits. Firearm background checks. Etc. It needs to all be on the table.

Basic fucking math should be the campaign of the eventual nominee. The 2017 GDP was $19.39 Trillion dollars. Taxed appropriately, we all can do better.

The Republicans choose their side: rich white Christians who hate the other. I mean, seriously. My generation is quick to call bullshit on everyone and meme the shit out of it. Just tap into that and ride the wave. It's right there.
The theory of high taxation always bothers me in this way. The rich company owners just hide their money, lower their income or layoff people. That tax money never gets raised or never ends up in the right hands. The candidate who proposes this will get the 'have you ever created a job?" argument lobbed at them. Also, are we raising rich people just to tax them 75%?

And you forgot hookers.
Dude, this is just dead wrong. Certainly, tax avoidance and other schemes to hide income will increase as a result, but most Scandinavian countries have similar tax rates without high levels of tax avoidance and the United States itself did for most of the 1950s and 1960s. The highest tax rate was I believe 50 percent until Reagan took office.

Any kind of increase in the highest marginal tax rate would have to include some increased funding for the IRS to find and prosecute tax cheats to the fullest extent of the law (which frankly we should be doing already).

Put simply -- if you make $20M a year and you're complaining because that last $10M is being taxed at 70 percent then fuck you. Give up your US citizenship and fuck off to the Cayman Islands if you don't want to contribute.
Agree with Brian, but the top tax bracket was as high as 94% in 1944, and 92% in 1951!!! It drives me nuts hearing Trump and the Right constantly refer to the Dems becoming "radicalized." They use this line on everything, not just taxes, when the Dems propose ideas that were relatively recently held by Republicans. Like Obamacare being largely the GOP response to the Clinton healthcare proposal and Romneycare. AOC and others calling for a top rate of 70% for earnings over $10 Million is actually lower than the highest tax rate for every year between 1936-1981.

I don't know how much additional tax scheming will occur, as I think almost everyone making over $10M/year already makes use of tax shelters and schemes. When the top bracket was over 90%, business owners invested their profits back into their businesses rather than paying the high rates. This actually led t MORE jobs and economic growth, and the business owners turned profits into much larger profits rather than pocketing it and saving or buying luxury items. Republicans have been pushing Trickle Down economics since 1980, and every time the government lowers the tax rate on the super-wealthy, they hoard the windfall or invest in tax shelter Wall Street schemes that create virtual wealth without actually benefiting the greater economy (see Structured Finance scams like mortgage backed securities and CDOs). Look at Trump's recent tax cut, public corps actually cut more jobs than they created and used the tax savings to buy back shares of their own stocks to artificially increase their stock prices, make a fortune in bonuses for the Executives (stock prices are up, they must be doing a great job!), and create wealth for large shareholders, but this has absolutely no benefit for the economy or workers. It actually has a negative effect, as it draws money out of the economy, and creates a false sense of strength in the economy and the individual businesses.

I understand where people are coming from in saying Progressives "hate the rich" and just want to take their money, but this is due to horrible messaging. Sure, it's damned impossible to make most people understand tax theory, and absolutely impossible when they watch FoxNews and only hear the arguments against and a horrible strawman caricature of what the actual theories are. Maybe they should start by discussing the actual taxes paid by people in various income groups. Most Billionaires pay insanely low taxes due to their ability to exploit loopholes and tax-free investments to turn to capital gains that are maxed out at 20% tax rate before deductions and shelters. There is no reason for hedge fund managers and investment bankers to earn almost their entire salary as capital gains and pay 20% income tax. They get paid a tiny fraction of their income as a salary, taxed as if they make $100,000, then bring home a $25 million bonus, or in the case of a hedge fund manager, $400 million bonus. The reason Progressives want to tax the extremely wealthy is not out of hatred or jealousy, it's because they were able to abuse their wealth and power to create laws that protected them. They rigged the fucking system, and somehow the masses are convinced that we need to protect the powerful from the evil radical Socialists that have taken over the Dem party in an effort to destroy America because they want us to be Venezuela.
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EnochRoot wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:36 pm
The Sybian wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:12 pm
sancarlos wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:11 pm
DaveInSeattle wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:14 pm Not sure why he's talking about Schultz' role in the Sonics sale/theft. Its all out in the open...just find the 'SonicsGate' movie on youtube.
You live in Seattle, so you know all about it. Most people in the rest of the country know little about it.
And the few outside Seattle that know, don't care. You probably have more people that praise him for bringing the team to OKC than care that he took the Sonics out of Seattle. Aside from having the coolest uniforms, the Sonics were largely a forgotten franchise except for a couple of years with Kemp, McDaniel and Olden Polynice.
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brian wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:09 pm
Dude, this is just dead wrong. Certainly, tax avoidance and other schemes to hide income will increase as a result, but most Scandinavian countries have similar tax rates without high levels of tax avoidance and the United States itself did for most of the 1950s and 1960s. The highest tax rate was I believe 50 percent until Reagan took office.

Any kind of increase in the highest marginal tax rate would have to include some increased funding for the IRS to find and prosecute tax cheats to the fullest extent of the law (which frankly we should be doing already).

Put simply -- if you make $20M a year and you're complaining because that last $10M is being taxed at 70 percent then fuck you. Give up your US citizenship and fuck off to the Cayman Islands if you don't want to contribute.
Rich people getting the 99% of everyone else to care about rich people's tax brackets is one of the greatest cons in American history.
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brian wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:09 pm
degenerasian wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:01 pm
Johnnie wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:38 pm Here's a good primer by Vox with everything regarding 2020.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy ... ic-primary

As an aside, if Democrats can energize my generation and the generation after mine too get out and vote, they have a solid chance of destroying.

After this Trump experiment and story after story of gross and disgusting wealth inequality, everyone may finally get the point that we need to bond together and flush out the bullshit.

Wealth taxes. AOC's marginal tax suggestion. Universal basic income. Universal health Care. Minimum wage increases. Marijuana legalization. Absolving student debt. Home buyer credits. Firearm background checks. Etc. It needs to all be on the table.

Basic fucking math should be the campaign of the eventual nominee. The 2017 GDP was $19.39 Trillion dollars. Taxed appropriately, we all can do better.

The Republicans choose their side: rich white Christians who hate the other. I mean, seriously. My generation is quick to call bullshit on everyone and meme the shit out of it. Just tap into that and ride the wave. It's right there.
The theory of high taxation always bothers me in this way. The rich company owners just hide their money, lower their income or layoff people. That tax money never gets raised or never ends up in the right hands. The candidate who proposes this will get the 'have you ever created a job?" argument lobbed at them. Also, are we raising rich people just to tax them 75%?

And you forgot hookers.
Dude, this is just dead wrong. Certainly, tax avoidance and other schemes to hide income will increase as a result, but most Scandinavian countries have similar tax rates without high levels of tax avoidance and the United States itself did for most of the 1950s and 1960s. The highest tax rate was I believe 50 percent until Reagan took office.

Any kind of increase in the highest marginal tax rate would have to include some increased funding for the IRS to find and prosecute tax cheats to the fullest extent of the law (which frankly we should be doing already).

Put simply -- if you make $20M a year and you're complaining because that last $10M is being taxed at 70 percent then fuck you. Give up your US citizenship and fuck off to the Cayman Islands if you don't want to contribute.
The great economics and political science term paper question is: who do you want to spend that 7 million dollars? the owner or the government.
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Well, we tried for the last 40 years letting the rich decide what to do with that money and they predictably hoarded it all for themselves. Time to try something different.
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degenerasian wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:22 pmThe great economics and political science term paper question is: who do you want to spend that 7 million dollars? the owner or the government.
THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THE OWNER FUCKING WON'T GOD FUCKING DAMMIT WHY ARE WE STILL DOING THIS?
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EnochRoot wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:36 pm
The Sybian wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:12 pm
sancarlos wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:11 pm
DaveInSeattle wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:14 pm Not sure why he's talking about Schultz' role in the Sonics sale/theft. Its all out in the open...just find the 'SonicsGate' movie on youtube.
You live in Seattle, so you know all about it. Most people in the rest of the country know little about it.
And the few outside Seattle that know, don't care. You probably have more people that praise him for bringing the team to OKC than care that he took the Sonics out of Seattle. Aside from having the coolest uniforms, the Sonics were largely a forgotten franchise except for a couple of years with Kemp, McDaniel and Olden Polynice.
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mister d wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:19 pm
degenerasian wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:22 pmThe great economics and political science term paper question is: who do you want to spend that 7 million dollars? the owner or the government.
THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THE OWNER FUCKING WON'T GOD FUCKING DAMMIT WHY ARE WE STILL DOING THIS?
What he said, but with bigger font. And more pejoratives.

Degen, just fucking stop already. It's absolutely despotic and deplorable that a country as rich as America with a near 20 TRILLION dollar (That's $20,000,000,000,000 or a 2 with 13 fucking zeroes after it) GDP can have so many people living in poverty, paycheck to paycheck, and a medical emergency away from bankruptcy.

Watch this fucking video. Seriously, watch it. It's from 2012. Wealth disparity in this country is absolutely sickening.

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DaveInSeattle wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:57 pm It is driving me CRAZY that anyone is taking Howard Schultz seriously at all. That guy FUCKED all of the NBA fans here in Seattle. If/When he tries to hold a campaign rally here, you better believe I'll be there with my torch and pitchfork.
Guess it's the new ego trip for the ultra rich.

And was anyone, and I mean any one, clamouring for Howard Schultz to ride in on a latte-covered horse to save the country?

My father used to bitch and moan that government should be run by businessmen because they wouldn't waste money etc. etc.

If I still spoke to him, and ask him how his theory is working in practice.
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What if business/economic knowledge is good for running government but a capitalist application of that knowledge isn't?
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