2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

Post by rass » Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:45 pm

Obama’s retweet got more likes that Biden’s original tweet.

His level of investment/involvement (based on past precedence) will be fascinating as far as it’s possible to disassociate from all of this and just observe.
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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

Post by Johnnie » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:35 pm

Senator Tammy Duckworth is in serious contention for the VP selection.

Her story is remarkable. I think she'd be great as the choice.

(And it appears she has AOC level clapbacks.)

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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

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Johnnie wrote:
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Senator Tammy Duckworth is in serious contention for the VP selection.

Her story is remarkable. I think she'd be great as the choice.

(And it appears she has AOC level clapbacks.)

AOC hits more homers, but that's Mickey Mantle 643 feet out of the stadium level there.
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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

Post by Johnnie » Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:57 pm

It's always an overly loud few on Twitter that give the impression everyone is doing it. Always.
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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

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Johnnie wrote:
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It's always an overly loud few on Twitter that give the impression everyone is doing it. Always.
Bingo.
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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

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Steve of phpBB wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:03 pm
Johnnie wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:57 pm
It's always an overly loud few on Twitter that give the impression everyone is doing it. Always.
Bingo.
I'll concede this, but will add in Bernie's case that also includes his paid mouthpieces like Serota, etc which doesn't really do him any favors as far as burnishing the reputations of his supporters.
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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

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brian wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:10 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:03 pm
Johnnie wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:57 pm
It's always an overly loud few on Twitter that give the impression everyone is doing it. Always.
Bingo.
I'll concede this, but will add in Bernie's case that also includes his paid mouthpieces like Serota, etc which doesn't really do him any favors as far as burnishing the reputations of his supporters.
Sirota always seemed miscast in his role on Bernie 2020.
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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

Post by DSafetyGuy » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:31 pm

Stunning development here.

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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

Post by mister d » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:55 pm

He'd be called a grifter if people were interested in calling mayors of 4th rate cities who decide to run for the presidency in order to further their personal career's grifters.
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He'd be called a grifter if people were interested in calling mayors of 4th rate cities who decide to run for the presidency in order to further their personal career's grifters.
South Bend is more of a 5th rate city.
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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

Post by Johnnie » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:07 pm



I don't really believe that, though.

From the same poll:

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Post by DSafetyGuy » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:50 pm

Convert to electoral college, thank you.

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Post by A_B » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:56 pm

Cook and 270 to win both have Biden with 278 in current projections.
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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

Post by DSafetyGuy » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:57 pm

A_B wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:56 pm
Cook and 270 to win both have Biden with 278 in current projections.
Obviously, they're different polls, but that's a lot different than Biden +15.
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Post by A_B » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:58 pm

Sure because a massive win in California swings percentages in polls more than a narrow one in Wisconsin. Just adding the numbers I’ve seen.
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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

Post by mister d » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:59 pm

Being 8 over in the midst of all this seems pretty horrific?
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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

Post by DSafetyGuy » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:01 pm

A_B wrote:
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Sure because a massive win in California swings percentages in polls more than a narrow one in Wisconsin. Just adding the numbers I’ve seen.
Exactly. My post responding to the tweet was just a reminder about the sort of thing. And I appreciate you making your earlier post for the same reason.
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mister d wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:59 pm
Being 8 over in the midst of all this seems pretty horrific?
Cook has Biden ahead 279-188, with 71 in the "tossup" category. Arizona and Florida are both considered tossups in that analysis.

https://www.270towin.com/maps/cook-poli ... al-ratings
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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

Post by Johnnie » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:03 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:57 pm
A_B wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:56 pm
Cook and 270 to win both have Biden with 278 in current projections.
Obviously, they're different polls, but that's a lot different than Biden +15.
Here's 20 electoral votes, if this holds.



But here are all the swing states: (PA is only showing +8 for Biden though)

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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

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Steve of phpBB wrote:
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Cook has Biden ahead 279-188, with 71 in the "tossup" category. Arizona and Florida are both considered tossups in that analysis.
Oh. That makes me feel a lot better.
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Post by DSafetyGuy » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:08 pm

So, this is an interesting piece of polling data:

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Post by Johnnie » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:53 pm

Seeing "Arizona" in the same line as "Democratic" is still weird.

Trump got 91k votes more than Hillary and won by 3.5%, but still. It's weird.
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Georgia toss up. We are coming for you mf.

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All this is already on Moscow Mitch's desk. There are a few issues with Favreau's plan, mostly cost, but overall it is correct.
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Post by Johnnie » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:31 am

Last I checked, Joe Biden still hasn't gone on any Crooked Media podcast during his run up to being the Democratic nominee. All other Democratic candidates for president did. I think he was interviewed before he announced his candidacy 2 years ago.
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Post by DSafetyGuy » Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:01 am

I don't think there's anything to be gained from it. Huge difference between being a candidate and being the candidate.
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Post by Brontoburglar » Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:32 pm

serious question ... who is Joe Biden going to convince to vote for him with a crooked media podcast appearance?
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Re: 2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

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serious question ... who is Joe Biden going to convince to vote for him with a crooked media podcast appearance?
PodSave is doing a TON of work around GOTV efforts. The value of going on that show is to further energize the foot soldiers doing a lot of the work necessary to win in swing states.

It certainly won't hurt anything and the fact of the matter is he should be maximizing his exposure on friendly podcasts.
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Post by Steve of phpBB » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:57 am

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Yes. That's fantastic.
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Nonlinear FC wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:49 am
Brontoburglar wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:32 pm
serious question ... who is Joe Biden going to convince to vote for him with a crooked media podcast appearance?
PodSave is doing a TON of work around GOTV efforts. The value of going on that show is to further energize the foot soldiers doing a lot of the work necessary to win in swing states.

It certainly won't hurt anything and the fact of the matter is he should be maximizing his exposure on friendly podcasts.
It's a really interesting dynamic, because the PodSaves guys will do what they can to make Biden look good, yet they frequently trash him for not coming on. I still think it seems weird how little we see of Biden. I respect he isn't making public appearances and holding rallies, but I don't see his ads and I see very few interviews of him. PodSaves organize volunteer groups to get out the vote, so a Biden appearance could get more volunteers fired up, but I think it runs the danger of deflating interest. Broken record here, but Biden just doesn't inspire any confidence in me. The less I see of him, the better I feel voting for him. I'm consciously avoiding asking myself questions. I have a Conservative friend who completely sees Trump for what he is, and is looking for a reason to vote for Biden. He sends me all the articles from Conservative sites asking questions of Biden, and I don't have good answers. Yes, I'm voting for him no matter what, but I don't think he is up to the task, and he has some really shitty policies, ideas, gaffes, sexual harassment... The less I see him, the more I like voting for him.
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Post by Johnnie » Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:32 pm

It really just feels like a group project where there will inevitably be the one person who skates to a passing grade off the backs of everyone else putting in the work.
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Post by HaulCitgo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:50 pm

Goodness. If that is anything close to accurate Trump is getting dangerously close to losing the Republican backing. He's probably got til Sept 1 before the game shifts to control of the senate. Even a vaccine wouldn't save him and truthfully whether him or not they are doing that very very right so far.

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