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Re: Brexit

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Re: Brexit

Post by Pruitt » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:46 pm

Truth is meaningless...

Polls Suggest Massive Conservative Majority

Fucking Jeremy Corbyn.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Joe K » Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:05 am

Pruitt wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:46 pm
Truth is meaningless...

Polls Suggest Massive Conservative Majority

Fucking Jeremy Corbyn.
Looking at those polling figures, why don't the LibDems just back Labour and make the race a toss-up? Are they just like Bloomberg Democrats who claim to be liberal but would rather see a right-wing racist (Johnson/Trump) in power than an actual leftist (Corbyn/Sanders)? Because I fail to see much of rationale for Johnson over Corbyn besides "I've got mine and don't want to pay taxes to help poor people."

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Re: Brexit

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Joe K wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:05 am
Pruitt wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:46 pm
Truth is meaningless...

Polls Suggest Massive Conservative Majority

Fucking Jeremy Corbyn.
Looking at those polling figures, why don't the LibDems just back Labour and make the race a toss-up? Are they just like Bloomberg Democrats who claim to be liberal but would rather see a right-wing racist (Johnson/Trump) in power than an actual leftist (Corbyn/Sanders)? Because I fail to see much of rationale for Johnson over Corbyn besides "I've got mine and don't want to pay taxes to help poor people."
I think that distaste for Corbyn is very, very deep for many. He's way more leftist than anything seen in a long, long time and in the past, he has never really established himself as an anti-Brexit stalwart. He's pretty much run the labour party into the ground as well, so his leadership is quite easily called into question.

Also, much of the recent Lib-Dem surge is from disaffected Labour supporters.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Pruitt » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:23 am

More on Corbyn - from The Guardian/Observer's Chief Political Commentator. Guardian is almost always pro-Labour:

If Boris Johnson gets back to No 10 he will have Jeremy Corbyn to thank
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Re: Brexit

Post by Joe K » Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:11 am

Pruitt wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:23 am
More on Corbyn - from The Guardian/Observer's Chief Political Commentator. Guardian is almost always pro-Labour:

If Boris Johnson gets back to No 10 he will have Jeremy Corbyn to thank
Yet for all the words in that article, there’s not even one policy-based criticism of Corbyn or concrete argument for why voters should prefer Johnson. There was one passing reference to Corbyn’s “fantastical wishlist of promises,” with no explanation of what those promises are or why they are unattainable. Also, the fact that Corbyn faces far more criticism for other people’s antisemitism than Johnson does for *his own* extensive and well-documented history or racism and Islamophobia is about as cynical as it gets. Just based on his Iraq War opposition alone, I find Corbyn far more respect-worthy than many of his recent Labour predecessors.

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Re: Brexit

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Joe K wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:11 am
Pruitt wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:23 am
More on Corbyn - from The Guardian/Observer's Chief Political Commentator. Guardian is almost always pro-Labour:

If Boris Johnson gets back to No 10 he will have Jeremy Corbyn to thank
Yet for all the words in that article, there’s not even one policy-based criticism of Corbyn or concrete argument for why voters should prefer Johnson. There was one passing reference to Corbyn’s “fantastical wishlist of promises,” with no explanation of what those promises are or why they are unattainable. Also, the fact that Corbyn faces far more criticism for other people’s antisemitism than Johnson does for *his own* extensive and well-documented history or racism and Islamophobia is about as cynical as it gets. Just based on his Iraq War opposition alone, I find Corbyn far more respect-worthy than many of his recent Labour predecessors.
I think you'll find that Johnson has been pilloried for his past racist comments quite thoroughly. But like Trump, a signifiant portion of Johnson's supporters don't really see those comments as being a negative thing.

It is truly a repulsive choice that the British are facing (as bad a choice as I have ever seen), and the only reason - if I were a Brit - that I'd vote Labour would be for strategic reasons. Clearly it won't be a Labour minority, so all of the fear mongering around Corbyn's policies are immaterial. But a lot of traditional Labour supporters have been put off by Corbyn and his associates' management style.

Corbyn is not anti-leave. But at least he is against leaving without a fully negotiated deal in place.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Pruitt » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:00 pm

John Crace Sums up the UK Election Campaign
Boris finally took centre stage. He tugged his hair – as sure a sign he’s about to start lying as moving his lips – and looked towards the cameras. His eyes were bloodshot and he had the bewildered air of a man who couldn’t quite understand that his sense of entitlement had been challenged. He’d always imagined he’d only have to turn up to a few gigs, do his faux man-of-the-people act, and he’d get to be prime minister for another five years. Now the polls were suggesting he might have more of a fight on his hands. This wasn’t Boris’s natural order.

His speech was just a regurgitation of the same lies and the same bad gags he’s been telling for the past six weeks. And it’s getting progressively harder for him to get any laughs or any love. If he does remain prime minister it will only be because people want Corbyn even less. The country is in a race to the bottom and Boris is marginally ahead.
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Re: Brexit

Post by brian » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:31 pm

The UK is going to re-elect those Tory cunts and they’ll get what they deserve just like when we re-elect Trump.

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Re: Brexit

Post by Baloney » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:59 am

Be interesting to see what happens if middle England sweeps the Tories in and the SNP sweep Scotland, referendum #2

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Re: Brexit

Post by Pruitt » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:26 am

If you get the BBC, I recommend watching the results when they are announced. They actually don;t release partial results in a riding. So you get every candidate on a stage as the returning officer reads the results alphabetically.

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Re: Brexit

Post by Baloney » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:03 pm

BBC has Tory win in Exit poll with a majority of 86, biggest Tory majority since Thatcher in 1987

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Re: Brexit

Post by brian » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:06 pm

How in the hell the Labour Party is somehow even more incompetent than the Democrats is beyond me, but I guess our brains are all singed. Anyway, since the US is on fire as well gonna enjoy my 3,000 miles of distance as the UK economy circles down the drain post-Brexit.

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Re: Brexit

Post by Baloney » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:25 pm

About to get a United Ireland and Independent Scotland

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Re: Brexit

Post by Joe K » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:32 pm

Seems to me like the takeaway from the big disparity In outcomes between the 2017 and 2019 elections is that the British people (at least in England) really do want Brexit to happen. Both May and Johnson are very flawed politicians but Johnson did far better — despite his overt bigotry and buffoonery. Probably because he was an avid Brexit supporter and May wasn’t.

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Re: Brexit

Post by degenerasian » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:40 pm

Pruitt wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:26 am
If you get the BBC, I recommend watching the results when they are announced. They actually don;t release partial results in a riding. So you get every candidate on a stage as the returning officer reads the results alphabetically.

yeah but because of this, it takes forever.

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Re: Brexit

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brian wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:04 pm
Most Brits dont travel. They are still very rural and entrenched in the towns.

Like in Alabama.
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Re: Brexit

Post by brian » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:51 pm

Most Brits that travel to Las Vegas are cunts. I don’t know if that proves or disproves your point.

(Honestly, not entirely different from people from most places that visit Vegas. Exceptions are mostly Mexicans, midwesterners and western Canadians.)

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Re: Brexit

Post by Ryan » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:16 pm

I feel like every British person I know goes on holiday to France and the Azores and Italy and Barcelona and Croatia like it’s a Sunday drive to the beach.
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Re: Brexit

Post by degenerasian » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:24 pm

Ryan wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:16 pm
I feel like every British person I know goes on holiday to France and the Azores and Italy and Barcelona and Croatia like it’s a Sunday drive to the beach.
We only know affluent Brits. We don't know the guy in 8th division football town.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Pruitt » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:14 am

degenerasian wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:24 pm
Ryan wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:16 pm
I feel like every British person I know goes on holiday to France and the Azores and Italy and Barcelona and Croatia like it’s a Sunday drive to the beach.
We only know affluent Brits. We don't know the guy in 8th division football town.
Crucial point.

And - as I've said repeatedly, in Jeremy Corbyn, Labor had a leader who was completely unsuited to the task. Remember, this snap election doesn;t happen unless Corbyn figured Labour could win.
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Post by Johnnie » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:59 am

Did Russia have anything to do with this? Or is this completely legit and the UK is full of idiots just like America?
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Re: Brexit

Post by Giff » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:16 am

Brexhausted is more like it, amirite?
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Re: Brexit

Post by Joe K » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:42 am

Interesting that the percentage of votes for the Tories (43.6%) was less than the combined percentage of votes for Labour and LibDems (43.8%). That to me foreshadows the million dollar question if Warren or Sanders gets the Democratic nomination: will Bloomberg use his billions to run a “centrist” third-party campaign and throw the election to Trump? He wouldn’t get as many votes as LibDems did in the UK, but he could get enough to flip the outcome.

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Post by mister d » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:50 am

I think that's what would happen and I think the Dems will cater to that threat by running someone other than Warren/Sanders. And then they'll lose straight up.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Joe K » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:54 am

mister d wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:50 am
I think that's what would happen and I think the Dems will cater to that threat by running someone other than Warren/Sanders. And then they'll lose straight up.
A third-party spoiler run is clearly the implied threat in Bloomberg running and already buying a zillion dollars in ads, right? He has to be smart enough to know that his path to the Democratic nomination is completely blocked by Biden and Pete.

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Re: Brexit

Post by degenerasian » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:19 pm

Corbyn was deeply unpopular. Shows the danger of a party being taken over by a small number of motivated activists (in this case Momentum) who appeal to academics rather than the average voter. Overpromising. Labour rolled out a manifesto with a host of radical changes and promises that baffled voters. How did Labour plan to do all this stuff? Who even asked for things like free broadband? These are things the Democrats have to be aware of.

Johnson promised to moderately increase funding for police and healthcare, and honour the Brexit referendum. Turned out voters just wanted Brexit settled and not another year of wrangling and another referendum.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Pruitt » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:00 pm

Johnnie wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:59 am
Did Russia have anything to do with this? Or is this completely legit and the UK is full of idiots just like America?
Yes and this election: yes. And a big "hell yes!"

Russian interference was rampant during the Brexit Referendum campaign, but even worse were the blatant lies used to sell Brexit. Too many to list here.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Pruitt » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:23 am

What Football Can Expect Post-Brexit

Great cartoon from the Guardian.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Pruitt » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:24 am

Hey! Remember Brexit?

Not sure the British do...

Time-wasting UK makes post-Brexit deal unlikely, says Barnier
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Re: Brexit

Post by Baloney » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:35 pm

There will be no deal


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Re: Brexit

Post by Pruitt » Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:11 pm

If it weren't for Trump, Johnson would be just about the worst thing I have ever seen in politics.

John Crace Rips Him A New One
It was also a day for those watching PMQs to ask themselves what they had done to deserve a leader who is visibly falling apart week on week. There was never anything very clever about Boris: now there isn’t even anything funny.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Baloney » Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:00 am

Pruitt wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:11 pm
If it weren't for Trump, Johnson would be just about the worst thing I have ever seen in politics.
Steady on, I give you this tool who is a Minister


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Re: Brexit

Post by Baloney » Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:15 pm

Kudos to the teacher who did that

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Re: Brexit

Post by Johnnie » Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:58 pm

Unfortunately it's fake according to people in the comments.
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Re: Brexit

Post by The Sybian » Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:51 pm

Baloney wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:15 pm
Kudos to the teacher who did that
Johnnie wrote:Unfortunately it's fake according to people in the comments.
Kudos to the guy who photoshopped that.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Baloney » Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:54 pm

Government admits it's Brexit legislation breaks international law BUT only in "a very specific and limited way", forces head of the UK government’s legal department to resign.

This is the "great" agreement that Boris made and was passed by Parliament.

Why would anybody want to make a deal with this shower of shite?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... tional-law

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