Notre Dame

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:16 am

Jerloma wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:10 am I mean I'd call the archaeological artifacts. I was under the impression that history captured significant things that happened. If history is just anything that happened in the past, then yeah, you're correct. Anything from the 12 century is historical.

According to a Fox News announcer yesterday, Mary Magdelene herself brought the crown to Paris so they might be even older than suggested in this thread and you should totally work out access to twitter and I would post the clip.

GoodKarma · Post by **GoodKarma** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:19 am

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:14 am
GoodKarma wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:05 am From the video...it looks like the prayer candles didn't burn. Talk about irony...
(Metal candle holders)

My point is that the wicks were not lit/the candles were still in tact.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:21 am

GoodKarma wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:19 am
A_B wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:14 am
GoodKarma wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:05 am From the video...it looks like the prayer candles didn't burn. Talk about irony...
(Metal candle holders)
My point is that the wicks were not lit/the candles were still in tact.

I think we may be talking about two different sets of candles, my bad.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:26 am

rass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:16 am
Jerloma wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:10 am I mean I'd call the archaeological artifacts. I was under the impression that history captured significant things that happened. If history is just anything that happened in the past, then yeah, you're correct. Anything from the 12 century is historical.
According to a Fox News announcer yesterday, Mary Magdelene herself brought the crown to Paris so they might be even older than suggested in this thread and you should totally work out access to twitter and I would post the clip.

Not to mention 300 year old Mary MAgdalene!

(Paris didn't really exist until the 3rd century, apparently)

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:17 am

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:26 am
rass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:16 am
Jerloma wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:10 am I mean I'd call the archaeological artifacts. I was under the impression that history captured significant things that happened. If history is just anything that happened in the past, then yeah, you're correct. Anything from the 12 century is historical.
According to a Fox News announcer yesterday, Mary Magdelene herself brought the crown to Paris so they might be even older than suggested in this thread and you should totally work out access to twitter and I would post the clip.
Not to mention 300 year old Mary MAgdalene!

(Paris didn't really exist until the 3rd century, apparently)

What's another miracle among friends?

TT2.0 · Post by **TT2.0** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:19 am

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:10 am I don't think there's even a close analog for Americans. There is no building that would cause such mourning just because of a fire. But that building is as important to France as anything, and possibly THE most culturally important building. So I get why people would want to restore it, and it's better for the money to come from private parties than the government.

Tell that to the world trade center

Post by **brian** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:23 am

TT2.0 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:19 am
A_B wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:10 am I don't think there's even a close analog for Americans. There is no building that would cause such mourning just because of a fire. But that building is as important to France as anything, and possibly THE most culturally important building. So I get why people would want to restore it, and it's better for the money to come from private parties than the government.
Tell that to the world trade center

That was solely because of the loss of life though. If somehow no one had died on 9/11, no one would miss the World Trade Center building.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:03 pm

No Empire State Building would be weird when looking at midtown, but I'm not about to pretend its sacred.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:12 pm

Statue of Liberty for sure. Hell, I would have been way sadder for France if it was the Eiffel Tower.

Old stadiums are probably good American facsimilies. Like Fenway Park, if 1/6th of the planet were Red Sox fans? People would be weepily singing Tessie in the Back Bay for a month.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:15 pm

Not sure losing the symbol of welcoming immigrants with open arms would cause mass mourning these days.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:17 pm

Good point. The factory that makes Bumper Nuts then

TT2.0 · Post by **TT2.0** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:03 pm

brian wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:23 am
TT2.0 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:19 am
A_B wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:10 am I don't think there's even a close analog for Americans. There is no building that would cause such mourning just because of a fire. But that building is as important to France as anything, and possibly THE most culturally important building. So I get why people would want to restore it, and it's better for the money to come from private parties than the government.
Tell that to the world trade center
That was solely because of the loss of life though. If somehow no one had died on 9/11, no one would miss the World Trade Center building.

i was joking.

Post by **brian** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:05 pm

Sorry, missed that. Since you admitted you were joking I can say there probably are dopes out there trying to compare the two though.

Actually, I didn't even see somehow -- were there any deaths because of the fire or did everyone escape?

TT2.0 · Post by **TT2.0** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:07 pm

brian wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:05 pm Sorry, missed that. Since you admitted you were joking I can say there probably are dopes out there trying to compare the two though.

Actually, I didn't even see somehow -- were there any deaths because of the fire or did everyone escape?

no idea....i was just hoping to troll people by calling 9-11 "just a fire"

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:10 pm

The only casualty I remember hearing about was one firefighter was injured.

Post by **brian** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:13 pm

TT2.0 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:07 pm
brian wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:05 pm Sorry, missed that. Since you admitted you were joking I can say there probably are dopes out there trying to compare the two though.

Actually, I didn't even see somehow -- were there any deaths because of the fire or did everyone escape?
no idea....i was just hoping to troll people by calling 9-11 "just a fire"

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:35 pm

Edit

I laughed.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:02 am

Does the church have insurance? If so isn't the church taking g the donations for rebuilding a bit of a shame? Also if this construction related won't the contractor be liable? Maybe on their insurance. Also if the insurance denies for act of God that would be irony right?

duff · Post by **duff** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:41 am

wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:02 am Does the church have insurance? If so isn't the church taking g the donations for rebuilding a bit of a shame? Also if this construction related won't the contractor be liable? Maybe on their insurance. Also if the insurance denies for act of God that would be irony right?

Isn't the building owned by the French government?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:51 am

Decent sized protests yesterday in Paris about close to $1B donated while the government can't/won't fund welfare needs.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:23 am

Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:35 pm

Pure projection right there, I'm guessing.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:01 am

Giff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:23 am
Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:35 pm

Pure projection right there, I'm guessing.

I had about 5 of those in my Facebook feed the other day.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:25 am

Pruitt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:01 am
Giff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:23 am
Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:35 pm

Pure projection right there, I'm guessing.
I had about 5 of those in my Facebook feed the other day.

My Facebook feed was full of them too. I don't think it was people using the fire to brag about the fact they've been to Paris.

Post by **brian** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:31 am

Same on mine, but it can certainly be both. In truth, there's nothing wrong with sharing that you've been somewhere as long as you're not being a dick about it. We all do it.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:03 pm

Wait, I'm projecting some white girl shit on my social media because I want people to know I've been to Notre Dame?

I have posted exactly once on Facebook since November 8, 2016. And I posted photos of my trip to France when they happened, December 2014.

So yeah, no.

This charade has reached the Anthony Jeselnik "Don't forget about me today. Don't forget how sads I am." level because tragedy happened. Try again.

TT2.0 · Post by **TT2.0** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:08 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:03 pm Wait, I'm projecting some white girl shit on my social media because I want people to know I've been to Notre Dame?

I have posted exactly once on Facebook since November 8, 2016. And I posted photos of my trip to France when they happened, December 2014.

So yeah, no.

This charade has reached the Anthony Jeselnik "Don't forget about me today. Don't forget how sads I am." level because tragedy happened. Try again.

you seem stressed today my friend. It will get better. Thoughts and prayers to you bro

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:36 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:03 pm Wait, I'm projecting some white girl shit on my social media because I want people to know I've been to Notre Dame?

I have posted exactly once on Facebook since November 8, 2016. And I posted photos of my trip to France when they happened, December 2014.

So yeah, no.

This charade has reached the Anthony Jeselnik "Don't forget about me today. Don't forget how sads I am." level because tragedy happened. Try again.

No, her tweet was. To me, it's just a weird and highly cynical place to go when you see people posting their pictures of a world-renowned landmark the day it caught fire and was by far the biggest story across the world. "Oooh, that person posting a pic just wants to throw it in my face they've been to France whaaa" Who the fuck thinks like that and isn't a miserable bastard?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:47 pm

I had no problem, at all, with people posting those kinds of pics. The ones that just put a selfie up without any comment were a little more problematic, but didn't really get my ire up.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:59 pm

Oh, my bad. Work sucks (yes, I'm stressed). And sometimes sentences don't translate well. Sorry.

Square Rob · Post by **Square Rob** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:38 pm

Jerloma wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:10 am I mean I'd call the archaeological artifacts. I was under the impression that history captured significant things that happened. If history is just anything that happened in the past, then yeah, you're correct. Anything from the 12 century is historical.

This is an interesting idea to think on. History isn’t really about the actual factual events. Even more so for ancient history. It’s imossible to have a true factual record of anything. Even modern events you can take three keen observers and have three significantly different interpretations of said event. This is why history is part of the arts/social studies departments in colleges.

History is actually largely about the social aspects of those events, and how they shaped the lives and cultures of those around them. So even if you don’t believe in a magic book and think those thorns are just pieces of old desiccated weeds, the mere fact that they have been venerated and protected as real relics by millions of others through those centuries make them by definition priceless historical artifacts. Those relics have shaped the culture of those around them. Items like that, if considered ‘real’ by the ecumenical authorities, were majorly significant culture signposts for centuries. People would pilgrimage from across all of Christendom to see them. Again, even if that’s nonsense to you it wasn’t to them. And those pilgrimages created huge social and economic currents that helped make places like Paris significant. And this helped them grow to become major cities.

Understanding that is understanding history. And it makes those things significant.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:55 pm

bob: tl; Dr

Fuck off jerloma.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:16 am

Is George Washington chopping down a cherry tree a historical event?

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:39 am

Ryan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:16 am Is George Washington chopping down a cherry tree a historical event?

No. The story as a part of the mythos that built around the real person of Washington, yes.

Baloney · Post by **Baloney** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:50 pm

I sympathize with the General having to deal with Architects on a daily basis.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... -his-mouth

Post by **brian** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:23 pm

Not a good year for Notre Dame(s).

Sellout streak to end at 273 games.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:59 pm

That's pretty remarkable, given how well Navy is doing this year.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:23 am

Pretty good news if you’re a fan of Catholic cathedrals, Gothic architecture, France, or even just impressive cultural stuff:

Very cool detail: the Gallic rooster is a symbol of France (think the bald eagle for us), and when the built the original spire, it had a rooster on top. Now it’s a Gallic rooster with its wings spread to emulate a phoenix for its rebirth.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:47 am

What I remember from that day was that rich people were generously donating huge sums of money to get it fixed as opposed to doing actual things that mattered.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:55 am

Counterpoint: if there was damage to a global cultural treasure such as the Great Wall or Angkor Wat or the Great Pyramid or the Sydney Opera House due to a disaster, rich people spending their money to repair it IS doing something that matters.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:59 am

Would it be “better” if rich people gave their money to food banks or wind farms or something like that? Depending on where you place your values, than sure, maybe. But people spending their own money, fairly-gotten or ill-gotten, to the benefit of others is a good. And one maxim I live by is don’t make perfect the enemy of the good.