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The Athletic and their commenters are killing the Canucks for the Miller-for-first deal.
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Rams Fanny wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:40 pm The Athletic and their commenters are killing the Canucks for the Miller-for-first deal.
Seems like a steep price. He'll get a chance to play on a scoring line and move up a step in production. The Canucks better hope he's up to it.
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Multiple reports William Karlsson will sign 8yr/5.9M AAV contract in next two days. VGK will have to trade one of Miller/Eakin/Haula but top six set for a few years.
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I don’t think a protected 1st is bad value for J.T. Miller, just a dumb shit trade for Vancouver knowing it’ll push to 2021 unprotected and they’ll more likely than not still suck.
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Stinks that JT was the one we could move, but it had to be done, and I'm overjoyed with the return.
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mister d wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:18 pm I don’t think a protected 1st is bad value for J.T. Miller, just a dumb shit trade for Vancouver knowing it’ll push to 2021 unprotected and they’ll more likely than not still suck.
Tampa was in a tight spot and HAD to shed salary. In comparable situations, Carolina squeezed Toronto for a great deal, and New Jersey squeezed Nashville for a great deal. Vancouver certainly did not leverage the situation as well as they might have done.
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Well they don't call the Canucks GM Dim Jim for nothing.

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You can’t really compare Miller and Marleau, can you? Miller beats his current deal on the open market so there’s a little excess value there and I have to imagine market competition.
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If he plays even at 80-ish percent of how he has the last two years this is an absolute steal. The term is only troublesome if he’s not the player he has been and that’s probably only gonna happen due to injury. (Final year is his age 34 season.)

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Are there any post-CBA comps for this deal? Only one I could think of was Abdelkader but I looked and that was only for 7.
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sancarlos wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:23 pm Not a big haul for a name as big as Subban. Davies is a strong prospect, Santini is nothing. Devils will be fun to watch, especially if Hughes lives up to his billing.

And, Marleau gets traded to the Hurricanes, along with a first and a seventh, for only a sixth in return. Clearly, the Leafs desperately wanted to unload that last year of Patty's contract. I've always been a big fan of Marleau, but this speaks to the wisdom of Sharks' GM Doug Wilson. Two years ago he offered Marleau a two-year deal, and he went to Toronto because they offered a guaranteed third year. Now look where that got the Leafs. Marleau is revered in San Jose but you've got to rein in emotion, even with beloved veterans. I bet Detroit wishes that Ken Holland hadn't had to learn that lesson the hard way.
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Interesting breakdown of the case for six active players with borderline Hall of Fame candidacies from The Athletic (includes fan favorites from Swampers who root for the Penguins, Caps, Sharks and Golden Knights).
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Brooks Orpik hanging em up. 2 time cup winner, ncaa champ, silver medal in the 2010 olympics...not too shabby a career.
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Career leading in concussive events, perhaps.
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DSafetyGuy wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:59 pm
sancarlos wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:23 pm Not a big haul for a name as big as Subban. Davies is a strong prospect, Santini is nothing. Devils will be fun to watch, especially if Hughes lives up to his billing.

And, Marleau gets traded to the Hurricanes, along with a first and a seventh, for only a sixth in return. Clearly, the Leafs desperately wanted to unload that last year of Patty's contract. I've always been a big fan of Marleau, but this speaks to the wisdom of Sharks' GM Doug Wilson. Two years ago he offered Marleau a two-year deal, and he went to Toronto because they offered a guaranteed third year. Now look where that got the Leafs. Marleau is revered in San Jose but you've got to rein in emotion, even with beloved veterans. I bet Detroit wishes that Ken Holland hadn't had to learn that lesson the hard way.
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Here is a paragraph from ESPN's free agency preview for the Wings that made me immediately think about what I posted:
For the Red Wings, that window (timing your contracts so you can make significant moves when opportunity presents itself) appears to really start to open two years from now, when they'll finally be out from under the financial anchors former GM Ken Holland saddled them with on his way out the door. Next summer, they'll have nearly $13 million in financial commitments come off the books with deals expiring for Mike Green, Trevor Daley and Jonathan Ericsson. The following summer, they'll clear another $10-plus million once Darren Helm, Jonathan Bernier, Luke Glendening and Stephen Weiss' buyouts are up. In that time, they'll also have Henrik Zetterberg and Johan Franzen's contracts finally come to an end as well, freeing up their long-term injured reserve slots and all of the inconveniences that come with filling them.
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At least Holland was able to dump Datsyuk's contract after he announced he was leaving to play in Russia.
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Seems like, in the next contract, the players association might want to do something about the punitive amount of picks a team has to forfeit if it signs another team's restricted free agent. There will never be much real RFA action if they don't.
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The real issue is collusion amongst NHL GMs. If Marner does sign an offer sheet with comp of 4 1sts it is probably in Toronto’s interest to let him walk. They couldn’t trade him for 4 1sts.
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brian wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:40 pm If Marner does sign an offer sheet with comp of 4 1sts it is probably in Toronto’s interest to let him walk. They couldn’t trade him for 4 1sts.
We are saying the same thing. The excessive pick compensation makes it unwise to go after a top RFA.
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We agree there. But the draft pick compensation for other tiers are more fair and in theory should be used occasionally if not for GMs colliding.
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For a guy one season removed from 29 goals on a good contract, that’s not much of a Haul.
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Coming off a serious knee injury as well, but yeah, VGK have no leverage.

On the bright side, probably only need to make one more deal to get under the cap after shifting Clarkson's money to LTIR. Hoping they just trade Nick Holden and Ryan Reaves for a bag of pucks and call it good. Losing Haula hurts though. Hope he lights it up in Carolina.
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Given the other GMGM chat, I do wonder how this roster will look in a few years. I know (western conference) flags fly forever and there's no way to really know what it did building a base, but they did still pass on some legit young talent in the draft and have already traded out some assets. If the peak is in the past, you wonder what a real build might have led to. Should make the analysis of Seattle's draft even more interesting.
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mister d wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:00 am Given the other GMGM chat, I do wonder how this roster will look in a few years. I know (western conference) flags fly forever and there's no way to really know what it did building a base, but they did still pass on some legit young talent in the draft and have already traded out some assets. If the peak is in the past, you wonder what a real build might have led to. Should make the analysis of Seattle's draft even more interesting.
I felt they pushed too many chips in too soon as well, though even with all of players they traded, guys like Pronman and Wheeler still have them as a top ten system. At this point, they're legit Cup contenders and should be for a few years but as we've discussed that doesn't mean much come playoff time if the players don't get it done. On the bright side, there won't be any prospects going out for at least a couple of years at this point unless it's a prospect for prospect swap.
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If VGK win a couple of President's Trophies, but no Cups in the next five or six years, you won't find me bitching about GMGM if that's what you're saying. He got them in position to contend from day 1 for probably at least half a decade. Now it's on to hoping the hockey gods are kinder than they were last postseason.
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No, I meant the part about sending out another top prospect. (Not that the Stone deal isn't justifiable in any circumstance.)
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mister d wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:37 am No, I meant the part about sending out another top prospect. (Not that the Stone deal isn't justifiable in any circumstance.)
Gotcha. Yeah, famous last words I guess. And you're right. It won't happen this year because they literally can't, so honestly maybe it's not the end of the world that VGK is so far up against the cap for a couple of years. Keeps GMGM from trying to get too cute at the trade deadline this year.

ETA: And to your point that Tatar deal was so, so dumb and not just because of how it turned out but it was pretty clear at the time it would have been best to keep those picks. The Pacioretty and Stone deals (as far as losing Suzuki and Brannstrom were fine though, especially the latter).
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Colorado is getting very dangerous.

Caps trade Burakovsky to Avs for a 2nd + 3rd + minor leaguer.
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Colin Miller traded to Buffalo for a 2nd and 5th. OK return under the circumstances. I was just watching VGK rookie camp scrimmage earlier and the guy who will probably be taking Miller’s place (Nic Hague) was dominating as much as you’d like to see considering he was playing against mostly 18-19 year olds.
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It’s weird the 2nd rounder is three drafts out from what they could have acquired.
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Kevin Kurz is the Sharks beat writer for The Athletic.
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I have few non-factual sports takes I believe in more strongly than “Kessel would be a universal hero if he were hot”.
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Ain't it the truth.
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Really don’t want Panarin. This will be a bad deal.
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I love Joe Pavelski and I very much respect what he’s done for the Sharks.

But the Stars are giving the 35 year-old a three year deal at $7 million per. I’m glad the Sharks didn’t bid against that.

Maybe we can bring him back, if the Stars buy him out in the summer of 2021.
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Smarter move than giving Zucc five years and losing their 1st.
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Term is long, but $8MM per on Duchene feels a little low.
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mister d wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:34 am Term is long, but $8MM per on Duchene feels a little low.
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Why is it always assumed this is the end all for NHL players but not other sports? Like MLB players don't flock to Tampa to save on state taxes.
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