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Hey, guess which country is in trouble with W.A.D.A. and may "face Tokyo Olympics ban?"
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I did a search before launching the thread!
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Pruitt wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:49 pm
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After watching Icarus on Netflix a few years back, I have a tough time taking any of this stuff seriously.

Many moons ago, SNL had a skit where it was basically take any drug you want Olympics. Dude doing a deadlift tore his arms off... ha ha.

At this point, at least in certain countries, that's where we're at.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:00 pm After watching Icarus on Netflix a few years back, I have a tough time taking any of this stuff seriously.

Many moons ago, SNL had a skit where it was basically take any drug you want Olympics. Dude doing a deadlift tore his arms off... ha ha.

At this point, at least in certain countries, that's where we're at.
Russia is probably somewhat unique in terms of the level of state involvement in doping but it’s likely an issue with pretty much every international sports power and major sport. The US had Balco and Lance Armstrong; Spain had Dr. Fuentes; Britain all its issues with Team Sky; the list goes on and on. The extent to which athletes get away with “legal” doping through unneeded prescriptions and Therapeutic Use Exemptions is also pretty remarkable.
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Joe K wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:25 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:00 pm After watching Icarus on Netflix a few years back, I have a tough time taking any of this stuff seriously.

Many moons ago, SNL had a skit where it was basically take any drug you want Olympics. Dude doing a deadlift tore his arms off... ha ha.

At this point, at least in certain countries, that's where we're at.
Russia is probably somewhat unique in terms of the level of state involvement in doping but it’s likely an issue with pretty much every international sports power and major sport. The US had Balco and Lance Armstrong; Spain had Dr. Fuentes; Britain all its issues with Team Sky; the list goes on and on. The extent to which athletes get away with “legal” doping through unneeded prescriptions and Therapeutic Use Exemptions is also pretty remarkable.

It's not even close, though. And, importantly, a lot of what you're pointing our are TEAMS that promoted doping, not countries, wholesale.

The scale of the doping practices in Russia and probably China are off the charts compared to other nations. There's no equivalency.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:43 pm
Joe K wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:25 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:00 pm After watching Icarus on Netflix a few years back, I have a tough time taking any of this stuff seriously.

Many moons ago, SNL had a skit where it was basically take any drug you want Olympics. Dude doing a deadlift tore his arms off... ha ha.

At this point, at least in certain countries, that's where we're at.
Russia is probably somewhat unique in terms of the level of state involvement in doping but it’s likely an issue with pretty much every international sports power and major sport. The US had Balco and Lance Armstrong; Spain had Dr. Fuentes; Britain all its issues with Team Sky; the list goes on and on. The extent to which athletes get away with “legal” doping through unneeded prescriptions and Therapeutic Use Exemptions is also pretty remarkable.

It's not even close, though. And, importantly, a lot of what you're pointing our are TEAMS that promoted doping, not countries, wholesale.

The scale of the doping practices in Russia and probably China are off the charts compared to other nations. There's no equivalency.
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This is pretty huge news in the track world. Salazar not only coached many of the top American distance runners through Nike’s Oregon Project, he also coached Mo Farah during the period when Farah won four Olympic gold medals for Britain.
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Trump probably not tweeting about this...actually most people won't tweet about it.
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Joe K wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:33 pm

This is pretty huge news in the track world. Salazar not only coached many of the top American distance runners through Nike’s Oregon Project, he also coached Mo Farah during the period when Farah won four Olympic gold medals for Britain.
Track is so f-ing filthy, I don't know how anyone can watch it.

(I know, I know... as an NFL fan I shouldn't say anything, but how is this a surprise?)
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The running world, at least the corner of it that I follow, is doing what society writ large should be doing, i.e. letting the women take the forefront. I follow probably 15-20 running affiliated Instagrammers, and I'd say at least 85% of them are women. That's completely of my own doing, but former elite runners, turned running coaches like Lauren Fleshman, Kara Goucher, and just now Shalane Flanagan, are where it's at. These women were, and still are, amazing runners, and so good at pushing for major structural changes in the sport.
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Cool article on ultra guy going for Olympic Marathon. He crossed the line where he qualified for the 2020 qualifier with the son of my coworker.
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And we thought gymnastics was getting young.

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Guess they’ll be in Florida
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Rex wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:03 pm Guess they’ll be in Florida
I would give anything to see the Olympics in Jacksonville. Not in person mind you, but on TV hell yeah
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So, if Japan cancels, are there other options?

IE:
Move location but have Olympics in 2021 elsewhere.
Keep in Japan but move again to 2022.
Cancel completely and prepare for 2024.

It seems from reports it's cancel, but that seems so wrong for the athletes, who's window for competition is very short. Have somewhere else in 2021 seems unlikely. Who could get venues up and running that quickly. Move to 2022 seems a nice compromise, yet Japan already looking at 2032.
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SportsDoc wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:46 am So, if Japan cancels, are there other options?

IE:
Move location but have Olympics in 2021 elsewhere.
Keep in Japan but move again to 2022.
Cancel completely and prepare for 2024.

It seems from reports it's cancel, but that seems so wrong for the athletes, who's window for competition is very short. Have somewhere else in 2021 seems unlikely. Who could get venues up and running that quickly. Move to 2022 seems a nice compromise, yet Japan already looking at 2032.
I’d say do 2022. They did Winter Games two years apart in 1992-94. They can do Summer Games in 2022-24.
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Hell, just move them to 2026 at this point. I’m really not confident 2022 Winter or Summer will be doable. Of course, my view is clouded is because I’m in America, and not in a country that took or takes COVID seriously.
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there also seems to be a good opportunity here to have a worldwide games if necessary. having the different sports stationed across the globe could help with infrastructure concerns and prevent so many people from gathering in one place. it's already to the point that fan travel is pretty much not happening
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Brontoburglar wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:00 am there also seems to be a good opportunity here to have a worldwide games if necessary. having the different sports stationed across the globe could help with infrastructure concerns and prevent so many people from gathering in one place. it's already to the point that fan travel is pretty much not happening
That's a really good idea. It doesn't really even affect NBC because it's not like they move cameras from one venue to another between events. Although I suppose they may do that for certain events that finish before other start.
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A_B wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:02 am
Brontoburglar wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:00 am there also seems to be a good opportunity here to have a worldwide games if necessary. having the different sports stationed across the globe could help with infrastructure concerns and prevent so many people from gathering in one place. it's already to the point that fan travel is pretty much not happening
That's a really good idea. It doesn't really even affect NBC because it's not like they move cameras from one venue to another between events. Although I suppose they may do that for certain events that finish before other start.
I'd think that NBC and Sky (or whomever has the rights in England and other bigger European countries) could easily do a technology share to make sure everything is adequately covered with cameras? seems like it could be done. also, more locations = more opportunities to spread out. the olympic village needs to peace out for this cycle. RIP condom usage stories.
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Brontoburglar wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:10 am
A_B wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:02 am
Brontoburglar wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:00 am there also seems to be a good opportunity here to have a worldwide games if necessary. having the different sports stationed across the globe could help with infrastructure concerns and prevent so many people from gathering in one place. it's already to the point that fan travel is pretty much not happening
That's a really good idea. It doesn't really even affect NBC because it's not like they move cameras from one venue to another between events. Although I suppose they may do that for certain events that finish before other start.
I'd think that NBC and Sky (or whomever has the rights in England and other bigger European countries) could easily do a technology share to make sure everything is adequately covered with cameras? seems like it could be done. also, more locations = more opportunities to spread out. the olympic village needs to peace out for this cycle. RIP condom usage stories.
Yeah, the easiest route, technologically speaking, would be a division of labor where Network A covers one location in its entirety, Network B another, and so on. However, when you get into which stories each network wants to tell and how to cover them, it gets a lot more complicated. The way NBC focuses their storytelling on American athletes (and understandably so) would put extra stresses on the resources, budgets, personnel, etc. of the partner networks.
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that's a great point -- but I also wonder how much of that has been/will be affected by COVID. Zoom was going to be a major factor in the features they do already. Is having to adapt further a bigger deal than the efficiency of having games vs. not having games at all if it came to that?
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Brontoburglar wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:19 pm that's a great point -- but I also wonder how much of that has been/will be affected by COVID. Zoom was going to be a major factor in the features they do already. Is having to adapt further a bigger deal than the efficiency of having games vs. not having games at all if it came to that?
The Olympics is a massive money-maker for NBC because they advertise their own upcoming products so heavily, they would happily accept any version of the games they would get. The games itself is a loss-leader, something the network loses money on to get you to watch their other programming.

I'm probably overstating the difficulties to work around in some capacity. I think NBC would be able to do the majority of their profile packages in advance with personnel who don't have to travel to site. Zoom would certainly assist that, especially interviews as the games are underway for more current quotes and footage, and the advance expectations of who will seriously contend for medals dictates that coverage and eases that further, especially because they could do in-person interviews, shoot B-roll, and whatever else they need before those athletes travel.

However, any time someone "comes out of nowhere" to contend in an event and becomes an instant story that requires a profile, it gets tougher. Even a Zoom is made a little harder due to time zone differences in these cases.

I also think event coverage is different, maybe even strained in some cases. When you watch NBC, they obviously focus on American competitors. Would an agreement with a network from another nation include how events are covered, particularly the focus on which athletes are promoted/followed? It's probably not a big deal because of how the events themselves are shot (they use an isolated camera on every runner in the 100 meters for replay purposes, for example), but your live coverage can get a little off because the different audiences/athletes in the event.
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DSafetyGuy wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:49 pm
However, any time someone "comes out of nowhere" to contend in an event and becomes an instant story that requires a profile, it gets tougher. Even a Zoom is made a little harder due to time zone differences in these cases.
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Rex wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:03 pm Guess they’ll be in Florida
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Can't even imagine how many stand your ground cases a Florida Summer Olympics would create.
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Limp Bizkit and Creed could perform at the opening ceremonies.
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DSafetyGuy wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:34 am
Brontoburglar wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:10 am
A_B wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:02 am
Brontoburglar wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:00 am there also seems to be a good opportunity here to have a worldwide games if necessary. having the different sports stationed across the globe could help with infrastructure concerns and prevent so many people from gathering in one place. it's already to the point that fan travel is pretty much not happening
That's a really good idea. It doesn't really even affect NBC because it's not like they move cameras from one venue to another between events. Although I suppose they may do that for certain events that finish before other start.
I'd think that NBC and Sky (or whomever has the rights in England and other bigger European countries) could easily do a technology share to make sure everything is adequately covered with cameras? seems like it could be done. also, more locations = more opportunities to spread out. the olympic village needs to peace out for this cycle. RIP condom usage stories.
Yeah, the easiest route, technologically speaking, would be a division of labor where Network A covers one location in its entirety, Network B another, and so on. However, when you get into which stories each network wants to tell and how to cover them, it gets a lot more complicated. The way NBC focuses their storytelling on American athletes (and understandably so) would put extra stresses on the resources, budgets, personnel, etc. of the partner networks.
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* isn't having a world wide Olympics just calling the World Championships that year the Olympics or another event in the regular schedule for these sports.
* TV is easy. Most international sports leverage a world feed model anyway. Anyone who has watched world cup or other FIFA events in the US knows it because the commentators get a replay that does not match what they are talking about. But all of the runs, events, etc are fully covered. And since olympic coverage is replayed/timed from prime time editing is pretty easy.
* Story telling..they will figure it out.
* The big loss is the Opening and closing ceremonies. That is a ratings hit for the NBC..but I don't get the love of seeing teams march into a stadium and an extended superbowl halftime show/interpretive dance performance. But guess some feel the need to see the shirtless Samoan and overpriced Polo/Roots gear that the USOC and similar get paid to trot the athletes around in.
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wlu_lax6 wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:51 amI don't get the love of seeing teams march into a stadium *
That's one of my favorite parts. That's what separates the Olympics from just a bunch of guys running on a track or playing handball.
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wlu_lax6 wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:51 am* TV is easy. Most international sports leverage a world feed model anyway. Anyone who has watched world cup or other FIFA events in the US knows it because the commentators get a replay that does not match what they are talking about. But all of the runs, events, etc are fully covered. And since olympic coverage is replayed/timed from prime time editing is pretty easy.
* Story telling..they will figure it out.
* The big loss is the Opening and closing ceremonies. That is a ratings hit for the NBC..but I don't get the love of seeing teams march into a stadium and an extended superbowl halftime show/interpretive dance performance. But guess some feel the need to see the shirtless Samoan and overpriced Polo/Roots gear that the USOC and similar get paid to trot the athletes around in.
TV for the Olympics is not easy, in large part because in the US, it's not about showing sports to hardcore fans. It's drawing in casual fans with human interest stories.

NBC dictates when events happen, regardless of time difference, because they pay the most for broadcast rights and want to avoid spoilers of tape delay (as evidenced by climbing network fees for "DVR-proof" sports while almost everything else wilts).

NBC wants to control the stories they tell (especially the athlete profiles) due to their much larger audience of casual sports fans who watch the Olympics.

NBC wants to air the opening and closing ceremonies because those also draw ratings due to casual/non-sports fans.

Farming coverage out to other entities fucks with their money because they're telling stories that draw in casual fans, not showing sports events to a small number of sports fans. And you don't fuck with their money.
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Steve of phpBB wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:34 am
wlu_lax6 wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:51 amI don't get the love of seeing teams march into a stadium *
That's one of my favorite parts. That's what separates the Olympics from just a bunch of guys running on a track or playing handball.
For 3 hours? When I was a kid, I thought it was cool seeing all the different flags and I loved the pageantry of it all. Now, it's just a bunch of kids walking in a circle on a track waving on a loop for 3 hours.
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