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Steve of phpBB wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:22 pm
DaveInSeattle wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:13 pmKarlan was using Barron's name to make a point. She never said anything about him personally.
It was a stupid and unnecessary quip, one that had nothing to do with the kid, who as far as I know has done nothing wrong. It helped fuel the "both sides are extreme" narrative that millions of people want to fall back on (because it's easier than judging people). And it detracted from her otherwise great testimony.
Here's the thing: If she hadn't had said that (and seriously, it was one sentence in hours of testifying) it would have been something else. Conservatives are so desperate to turn this into as big of a shitshow as possible they will latch onto ANYTHING to make a distraction.
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DaveInSeattle wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:27 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:22 pm
DaveInSeattle wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:13 pmKarlan was using Barron's name to make a point. She never said anything about him personally.
It was a stupid and unnecessary quip, one that had nothing to do with the kid, who as far as I know has done nothing wrong. It helped fuel the "both sides are extreme" narrative that millions of people want to fall back on (because it's easier than judging people). And it detracted from her otherwise great testimony.
Here's the thing: If she hadn't had said that (and seriously, it was one sentence in hours of testifying) it would have been something else. Conservatives are so desperate to turn this into as big of a shitshow as possible they will latch onto ANYTHING to make a distraction.
Except that there was nothing even remotely similar in the days/weeks before, or the days/weeks after.

Plus it’s not really about what the right wing will say. It’s about what they’ll say *that gets traction*. She handed that to the right wing on a silver platter.

If I mentioned my opposing counsel’s kid’s name in an argument, even as the basis for a play on words, I’d get shellacked.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
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It just unnerves me how the rules don't apply to Fat Manbaby Nixon.

I talk shit about a 16 year old on Twitter and my military career is over. He does it and instead of being appalled that an adult does those things in the first place, it's "well she's an environmental activist who's critical of his policies, soooooo..."

Where the fuck are we right now? If she was a 12 year old supergenius that graduated college and invented a thing to make [X] problem go away instantly, it still doesn't justify anything.

Basically, if Karlan can't make a play on words, Donald can't make a personal attack.
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Johnnie wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:22 pm It just unnerves me how the rules don't apply to Fat Manbaby Nixon.

I talk shit about a 16 year old on Twitter and my military career is over. He does it and instead of being appalled that an adult does those things in the first place, it's "well she's an environmental activist who's critical of his policies, soooooo..."

Where the fuck are we right now? If she was a 12 year old supergenius that graduated college and invented a thing to make [X] problem go away instantly, it still doesn't justify anything.

Basically, if Karlan can't make a play on words, Donald can't make a personal attack.
But you're talking what should happen in a civilized world/country.

Trump has dragged the level of discourse down so, so low that God knows if it will ever recover.

4 years ago would you have ever imagined that the President of the United States would stoop to the level of making personal attacks on an individual, let alone a teenager?

Yet were any of us really surprised that he couldn't let the Time magazine thing go without taking a shot at her?
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Putting a like on Johnnie’s post.
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Barack Obama said that if he had a son he would look like Trayvon Martin and the right lost their fucking mind over that.

When a black man was being an empathetic human and father to a family with a black son that was murdered how dare he comment.

It's weird to me that left leaning people have the better senses of humor and abilities to call out bullshit. But yet the officials they elect have this presumption of "elder statesman" and only using zingers in a proper way.

Trump talks like the people that vote for him. That's why they love him. He's vulgar. They're vulgar. He's rude. They're rude.

So when Melania goes "You leave Barron out of this! How dare you bring up his name!"

We go "Look, you entitled scumbag. Your fucking shitstain husband cheated on you with a porn star. Direct your indignation at him for not loving you or your child. #BeBest, thot."
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So, Rudy Giuliani’s spokeswoman is a 20 year-old, who is currently pursuing her college degree online (at the same online school where she got her high school diploma).
Interesting.
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sancarlos wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:58 pm So, Rudy Giuliani’s spokeswoman is a 20 year-old, who is currently pursuing her college degree online (at the same online school where she got her high school diploma).
Interesting.
He has lost his mind.
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Pruitt wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:41 pm Screen Shot 2019-12-14 at 7.40.54 PM.png

Nice make up job buddy!
Its the fluorescent lights!
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DaveInSeattle wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:31 pm
Pruitt wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:41 pm Screen Shot 2019-12-14 at 7.40.54 PM.png

Nice make up job buddy!
Its the fluorescent lights!
Fake hues!
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As if Trump actually wrote that batshit insane letter to Pelosi.

Mother Fucker is scared like all bullies are when those they bully swing back.
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I wish this was real.

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Guys, what's it like to "flourish?"

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Dredged and battered - checks out.
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And the early leader in ass-kissing...

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DaveInSeattle wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:31 am And the early leader in ass-kissing...

I'm no lawyer, but...

Also, the President is retweeting some conspiracy theorist (and Q believer) who is retweeting this goon:



These are dark, dark days.
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Someone on Quora asked why British people don't like Donald Trump. This response is amazing...
A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.
So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever.
I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.
Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.
Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.
He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.
That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.
After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.
God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.
In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:
‘My God… what… have… I… created?
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Kicked on MSNBC for 2.5 minutes earlier and listened to some fucking Karen from Arizona tell a story about how she was abused by an ex husband, couldn't imagine that she'd be a congresswoman, noted that the impeachment proceedings are the most unfair biased and partisan thing she had ever seen IN HER LIFE, and then made the argument that since some Dems voted for impeachment in July, before the call to Ukraine took place, therefore it proves that it's a rigged process. Since this is the first potentially illegal thing Orange has done in 3 years.

Just put the bullet in my head now.
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Jerloma wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:46 am Someone on Quora asked why British people don't like Donald Trump. This response is amazing...
While this is all true, I find Brits to be pompous frauds. Always the portraying themselves to be polite gentleman but they first thing they pick up in the morning is a tabloid to see what's happening in people's bedrooms.
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degenerasian wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:01 am
Jerloma wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:46 am Someone on Quora asked why British people don't like Donald Trump. This response is amazing...
While this is all true, I find Brits to be pompous frauds. Always the portraying themselves to be polite gentleman but they first thing they pick up in the morning is a tabloid to see what's happening in people's bedrooms.
This. That whole thing reads like the American (and Irish/Scottish/Welsh...) stereotype of English people.
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Johnny Carwash wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:09 am
degenerasian wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:01 am
Jerloma wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:46 am Someone on Quora asked why British people don't like Donald Trump. This response is amazing...
While this is all true, I find Brits to be pompous frauds. Always the portraying themselves to be polite gentleman but they first thing they pick up in the morning is a tabloid to see what's happening in people's bedrooms.
This. That whole thing reads like the American (and Irish/Scottish/Welsh...) stereotype of English people.
Any country that just elected Boris Johnson as PM is pretty far down the list of countries that have any business talking about how they’re too classy and sophisticated for someone like Trump.
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Also just realized it sounds like RSmith wrote it. Don't let Pruitt see it.
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All of what you guys said, but especially Joe.

Fucking Brits are so condescending.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:36 am All of what you guys said, but especially Joe.

Fucking Brits are so condescending.
The worst is their sports expressions. Things only exist when the Brits see it. They still call it the fucking Mexican Wave because they saw it in 1986. It was invented in America years before. And the Brazilian Spray in 2014. It was invented in Argentina decades before.

And penalties are a lottery shit. England keeps losing them so it must be a fluke.
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The worst of the Brits are the ones still stuck in the 1930s when the UK was still nominally a world power. Some of the Brexit stuff is related to that superiority complex that they think they're better than the rest of the EU because they once had a Navy that controlled the world's seas. They see themselves as they once were and not as they presently are.

ETA: To be clear, most of the Brexit stuff is racism, pure and simple. Or classism if you're being generous and give some of these Tory twats the benefit of the doubt that their hatred of Poles and Latvians is somehow remotely justified (it's not). But the idea of a "great" nation like the UK being at all level with Latvia or Poland or Hungary rankles these losers and their sense of patriotism.
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brian wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:47 am The worst of the Brits are the ones still stuck in the 1930s when the UK was still nominally a world power. Some of the Brexit stuff is related to that superiority complex that they think they're better than the rest of the EU because they once had a Navy that controlled the world's seas. They see themselves as they once were and not as they presently are.

ETA: To be clear, most of the Brexit stuff is racism, pure and simple. Or classism if you're being generous and give some of these Tory twats the benefit of the doubt that their hatred of Poles and Latvians is somehow remotely justified (it's not). But the idea of a "great" nation like the UK being at all level with Latvia or Poland or Hungary rankles these losers and their sense of patriotism.
Don't forget the other side as well. The people in the rural areas want to screw everyone because it is perceived that they are losing a grip on things. Fuck the immigrants, fuck Europe and fuck the posh Brits who go vacation in Portugal. We're taking some control back, whatever we're allowed to.
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Everything said in that post is true.

And so is every criticism of that post.

And what was not mentioned is the British belief that while colonialism may have been a bad thing, they at least left culture and democracy when they left the lands they had conquered/annexed.
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Pruitt wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:45 pm Everything said in that post is true.

And so is every criticism of that post.

And what was not mentioned is the British belief that while colonialism may have been a bad thing, they at least left culture and democracy when they left the lands they had conquered/annexed.
While this is condescending, there is some truth to it. British colonies are miles better off than French colonies are.
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Is anyone else watching this cluster fuck of a hearing? Some fuck from Georgia just compared Trump to jesus, and the Dems to Pontius Pilate.

And do Republicans understand the Constitution? All I hear is the Dems are so sad they lost 2016.

And I am loving Nadler's responses to the Republican's responses when they state something that is incorrect.
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duff wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:19 pm Is anyone else watching this cluster fuck of a hearing? Some fuck from Georgia just compared Trump to jesus, and the Dems to Pontius Pilate.
What was once inconceivable is now business as usual.

Unbelievable.
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duff wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:19 pm Is anyone else watching this cluster fuck of a hearing? Some fuck from Georgia just compared Trump to jesus, and the Dems to Pontius Pilate.

And do Republicans understand the Constitution? All I hear is the Dems are so sad they lost 2016.

And I am loving Nadler's responses to the Republican's responses when they state something that is incorrect.
I've listened on and off, but find I can't listen for more than 10 minutes or so at a time. The mental gymnastics from the GOP is incredible.
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Yeah, I really only get the high level GOP talking points from a few synopsis stories, but I'll be damned if I'll let them fuck with my blood pressure. I'll either mute or fast forward when they talk, been doing that since the hearings started and continue through the Floor Debate today.*

* - We are no longer in the Hearings stage. Today's debate is on the floor and includes the full House. Vote tonight, unless they get cagey and decide to delay the vote as is being suggested by some on the Left.

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Highlight of the day was Gohmert losing his shit when Nadler accused him of parroting Russian propaganda.
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Wait... is that a giant xmas card or a shrunken letter?
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A giant card so it makes the person holding it look like they have tiny hands.
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
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He signs for Melania as well?
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