Re: NCAA Football 2019 --> Offseason --> 2020
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:06 pm
Whoopin' at the cocktail party
It's the sixth version of The Swamp. What could possibly go wrong?
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It's kind of telling, I don't even think about checking to see if they've lost again. I don't think I'd even seen a score from them since they beat UNC.
And that game was the flukiest of flukes for them. They had a great first half, built up a big lead, and have been absolute shit ever since.
You'd have to normalize it for shitty coaches, though.Shirley wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:38 amAnd that game was the flukiest of flukes for them. They had a great first half, built up a big lead, and have been absolute shit ever since.
I've always wanted to look at a graph of wins (or maybe win%) of the three big Florida schools (Miami, UF, FSU) over the past 3-4 decades alongside marks of when other Florida schools (UCF, USF, FIU, etc) moved up to FBS. My theory is that there will be a direct correlation to the drop off for all three, or at least to when they became occasional powers instead of consistent. Even in Florida, there's only so much talent to go around.
On the other hand, it's easy to look like a coaching giant when you're running a 3-deep of NFL players like those schools used to.A_B wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:45 amYou'd have to normalize it for shitty coaches, though.Shirley wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:38 amAnd that game was the flukiest of flukes for them. They had a great first half, built up a big lead, and have been absolute shit ever since.
I've always wanted to look at a graph of wins (or maybe win%) of the three big Florida schools (Miami, UF, FSU) over the past 3-4 decades alongside marks of when other Florida schools (UCF, USF, FIU, etc) moved up to FBS. My theory is that there will be a direct correlation to the drop off for all three, or at least to when they became occasional powers instead of consistent. Even in Florida, there's only so much talent to go around.
A good point. And I guess the other new FBS schools weren't exactly running Bear Bryant out there.Shirley wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:46 amOn the other hand, it's easy to look like a coaching giant when you're running a 3-deep of NFL players like those schools used to.A_B wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:45 amYou'd have to normalize it for shitty coaches, though.Shirley wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:38 amAnd that game was the flukiest of flukes for them. They had a great first half, built up a big lead, and have been absolute shit ever since.
I've always wanted to look at a graph of wins (or maybe win%) of the three big Florida schools (Miami, UF, FSU) over the past 3-4 decades alongside marks of when other Florida schools (UCF, USF, FIU, etc) moved up to FBS. My theory is that there will be a direct correlation to the drop off for all three, or at least to when they became occasional powers instead of consistent. Even in Florida, there's only so much talent to go around.
There's been more and more of this in 2020. Can't find other instances now, but COVID ain't helping teams keep people. Pretty sure the Gators gained (maybe it was lost) someone because he wanted to be closer to home. Wanna say the kid's grandfather was dying, which was why he wanted to go elsewhere so he could watch him play, then grandpa died and he's transferring to Gainesville. I could have that completely wrong though.Shirley wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:27 am VIrginia had a starting defensive lineman enter the transfer portal yesterday. Apparently it caught the coaches off guard. I've never heard of a healthy, starting, borderline star, player quitting and transferring in the middle of a season.
https://247sports.com/college/virginia/ ... 154958295/
How often does this happen in football? Definitely a basketball thing but I am hard pressed to think of anyone who did it for college. Mac Jones decommited from UK to go to Bama, but that wasn't a transfer.DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:10 pm The loosening of restrictions on the transfer portal is going to make things haywire. Players who don't play at powerhouse programs will look to move to other schools for playing time, powerhouse schools will look to poach good players from smaller programs by pushing their ability to get them into the NFL, kids who become stars in Group of 5 conferences will look to jump up in competition as an avenue to pursue a pro career, etc.
JJ Watt.A_B wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:21 pmHow often does this happen in football? Definitely a basketball thing but I am hard pressed to think of anyone who did it for college. Mac Jones decommited from UK to go to Bama, but that wasn't a transfer.DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:10 pm The loosening of restrictions on the transfer portal is going to make things haywire. Players who don't play at powerhouse programs will look to move to other schools for playing time, powerhouse schools will look to poach good players from smaller programs by pushing their ability to get them into the NFL, kids who become stars in Group of 5 conferences will look to jump up in competition as an avenue to pursue a pro career, etc.
I think it's going to be the opposite if anything. highly-touted guys going to smaller schools for more playing time when they get pushed down the depth chart at their bigger schools.A_B wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:21 pmHow often does this happen in football? Definitely a basketball thing but I am hard pressed to think of anyone who did it for college. Mac Jones decommited from UK to go to Bama, but that wasn't a transfer.DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:10 pm The loosening of restrictions on the transfer portal is going to make things haywire. Players who don't play at powerhouse programs will look to move to other schools for playing time, powerhouse schools will look to poach good players from smaller programs by pushing their ability to get them into the NFL, kids who become stars in Group of 5 conferences will look to jump up in competition as an avenue to pursue a pro career, etc.
Ah yes, back in 2007 when the transfer portal was so loose!brian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:38 pmJJ Watt.A_B wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:21 pmHow often does this happen in football? Definitely a basketball thing but I am hard pressed to think of anyone who did it for college. Mac Jones decommited from UK to go to Bama, but that wasn't a transfer.DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:10 pm The loosening of restrictions on the transfer portal is going to make things haywire. Players who don't play at powerhouse programs will look to move to other schools for playing time, powerhouse schools will look to poach good players from smaller programs by pushing their ability to get them into the NFL, kids who become stars in Group of 5 conferences will look to jump up in competition as an avenue to pursue a pro career, etc.
Just sayin' -- it happens. But I agree with Bronto's point. It's more likely to help the mid-majors as a net positive if four-star QB blocked on the depth chart at elite schools can transfer to schools where they can get immediate playing time. Most of these kids these days are pretty savvy and realize they're going to get appropriately scouted at basically any FBS school. It didn't really affect the draft status of guys like Eric Fisher, Josh Allen, Khalil Mack, etc. Arguably the best WR in the MAC is a kid at CMU who was a transfer from Va. Tech.A_B wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:41 pmAh yes, back in 2007 when the transfer portal was so loose!brian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:38 pmJJ Watt.A_B wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:21 pmHow often does this happen in football? Definitely a basketball thing but I am hard pressed to think of anyone who did it for college. Mac Jones decommited from UK to go to Bama, but that wasn't a transfer.DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:10 pm The loosening of restrictions on the transfer portal is going to make things haywire. Players who don't play at powerhouse programs will look to move to other schools for playing time, powerhouse schools will look to poach good players from smaller programs by pushing their ability to get them into the NFL, kids who become stars in Group of 5 conferences will look to jump up in competition as an avenue to pursue a pro career, etc.
So, Washington brought in the kid who was Big Sky all-conference QB and conference player of the year as a grad transfer. Only problem (for him) was that he didn't end up starting (yet).Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:40 pm ...the instances of guys at smaller schools going to bigger ones happen now primarily in the form of graduate transfers. and the QB market has been pretty fruitful in recent years anyway. if you want an immediate eligibility waiver you can typically get one.
Yeah, but Thomson also transferred as a graduate transfer and Sac State hasn't played at all in 2020.sancarlos wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:51 pmSo, Washington brought in the kid who was Big Sky all-conference QB and conference player of the year as a grad transfer. Only problem (for him) was that he didn't end up starting (yet).Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:40 pm ...the instances of guys at smaller schools going to bigger ones happen now primarily in the form of graduate transfers. and the QB market has been pretty fruitful in recent years anyway. if you want an immediate eligibility waiver you can typically get one.
sure, but that would be happening now if it was a thing and it really isn't outside of a few graduate transfers. will there be some instances? absolutely. but we'd see the sign of the floodgates opening I think. and we haven't.
Yeah, I was agreeing with you. I noted that he is a grad transfer.Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:08 pmYeah, but Thomson also transferred as a graduate transfer and Sac State hasn't played at all in 2020.sancarlos wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:51 pmSo, Washington brought in the kid who was Big Sky all-conference QB and conference player of the year as a grad transfer. Only problem (for him) was that he didn't end up starting (yet).Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:40 pm ...the instances of guys at smaller schools going to bigger ones happen now primarily in the form of graduate transfers. and the QB market has been pretty fruitful in recent years anyway. if you want an immediate eligibility waiver you can typically get one.
Are they really giving out that high of a percentage of immediate eligibility transfers? I'm a casual fan of college football at large, but it sure seems like anyone transferring to a traditionally strong school has no trouble getting approved while kids going the other way get a year to wait.Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:46 pm you're overlooking the preponderance of immediate eligibility waivers in the last five years
There's been quite a few approved for kids going to mid-majors as well. The NCAA has more or less given up on fighting those if you can prove hardship and usually for a mid-major school it's a kid moving closer to home after not getting as much early PT as they thought at a Power Five school, so it's always "moving home closer to sick mom" or something like that.DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:36 pmAre they really giving out that high of a percentage of immediate eligibility transfers? I'm a casual fan of college football at large, but it sure seems like anyone transferring to a traditionally strong school has no trouble getting approved while kids going the other way get a year to wait.Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:46 pm you're overlooking the preponderance of immediate eligibility waivers in the last five years