Black Monday Starts at 8:00 pm Sunday!

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:01 pm

brian wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:59 am Does a guy with this CV get hired as a head coach in the NFL if he's not white?

>Grad assistant, Miss. St.
>LB coach, Birmingham-Southern
>ST assistant, Alabama
>ST/WR coach, Patriots

Eh, I think a black dude with that resume has a better chance than a white dude where you swap Patriots with Jets.

Post by **brian** » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:05 pm

I could/should look it up but I don't think a black head coach as ever been hired in the NFL without at least being an offensive or defensive coordinator in the NFL (or a head coach at the college level). I thought maybe Tomlin, but he had been a DC for one year at Minnesota before being hired.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:07 pm

Last year. From the same team.

Post by **brian** » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:12 pm

Ryan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:07 pm Last year. From the same team.

A black assistant from the Patriots was hired as a head coach last year?

Sorry, who the fuck are you talking about? I believe you but I have no idea to whom you're referring.

Post by **brian** » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:19 pm

Wait, are you talking about Flores? I suppose it's definitely fair to say he's a person of color, but he's not black.

(But I concede the point. It's good there's been someone of color with such a shaky resume to get hired as a HC.)

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:19 pm

brian wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:12 pm
Ryan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:07 pm Last year. From the same team.
A black assistant from the Patriots was hired as a head coach last year?

Sorry, who the fuck are you talking about? I believe you but I have no idea to whom you're referring.

Flores in Miami

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:37 pm

Well Brian Flores (not white) went

Scouting assistant, pro scot, ST assistant, assistant coach O/ST, D assistant, Safties, LB coach, then defensive play-caller (not DC) then head coach. All of these aside from HC was with the Patriots.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:39 pm

brian wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:19 pm Wait, are you talking about Flores? I suppose it's definitely fair to say he's a person of color, but he's not black.

He's Garinagu which is indigenous/African so he's probably considered more black than Hispanic or whatever

Post by **brian** » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:50 pm

Not hiring qualified African-Americans/persons of color and placing way too much faith in the Belichick coaching tree are probably the two biggest issues with NFL HC hires, so I guess it's fun to see how that Flores hire is gonna turn out.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:07 pm

I don;t know if Rhule will be a good NFL coach, but if this screws over Baylor, than I am all for the hire.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:47 pm

brian wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:50 pm I guess it's fun to see how that Flores hire is gonna turn out.

We don't know how it'll go with Tua or whatever, but he had that team buying in after that first few weeks of getting crushed, and he and the FO did a good job of spinning off assets to get those additional 1sts.

I wasn't a fan of the other guys in the league from the tree when they were with the Pats (I was actually glad to see Patricia go) but I liked what Flores did with the Pats and have liked what he's done in Miami so far.

Post by **brian** » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:47 pm

Yeah, I wasn't criticizing Flores.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:49 pm

More like WHITE Monday, amiright?

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:14 pm

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:41 pm

Wonder the deal in bringing in Chan gailey. Reeks of someone saying you must fire your known guy to bring in their out of football guy. But Grier has to be Flores guy or else he never gets that job. Still not sure if Flores or Grier have ever worked with gailey since both were at the pats their whole career before Miami. And I have no clue what a garinigu is. You just listen to the guy to figure out if they're more Hispanic, carribean, African or American variety of black.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:13 am

I have no idea whether Stefanski, the new Browns coach will be any good. (Although there has been a pattern...)

But it is just so Brown that two candidates who were in line for the job (Stefanski and 49ers DC Robert Saleh) "faced off" on the weekend and the Vikings looked brutally overmatched.

serrano · Post by **serrano** » Fri May 21, 2021 8:04 pm

The season 3 premier will actually start closer to 10 pm east coast on Showtime, but this show is (ahem...) money. It’s like a Wall Street/30 Rock/Goldberg’s mash-up that sounds gimmicky but is worth your time if you haven’t seen it. Casey Wilson is the scene-stealer of scene stealers.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:10 pm

Reaper · Post by **Reaper** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:25 pm

Lovie knew he was gone. So he went for two and said screw you to the Texans to lose that #1 overall. May be his second best win for the Bears.

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:50 am

Did anyone (outside of the Smith households) think this was a long term hire?

Since leaving the Bears, he's posted a record of 28-76 in college and the pros.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:16 am

Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:50 am Did anyone (outside of the Smith households) think this was a long term hire?

Since leaving the Bears, he's posted a record of 28-76 in college and the pros.

This still may not meet your definition of long-term, but I personally didn't expect them (even them) to fire a second coach in a row after one season.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:02 am

So Sean McVay is going to hang it up for a bit right? Obviously he will move to a studio show or similar (which he will do great at), figure out how comfortable a life that is and never coach again. I wonder how much of this has to do with newly married family life. Coaching life is tough (see Andy Reid), but that makes the reign of Belichick, Harbaugh and Tomlin more impressive. Add in Carroll and Reid and you don't have other coaches with more than 10 years. Next group is a handful of 6 year coaches.

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:13 am

rass wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:16 am
Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:50 am Did anyone (outside of the Smith households) think this was a long term hire?

Since leaving the Bears, he's posted a record of 28-76 in college and the pros.
This still may not meet your definition of long-term, but I personally didn't expect them (even them) to fire a second coach in a row after one season.

It really is odd - kind of like the Colts and their QB plans over the last few seasons. Just throwing stop gaps in the mix.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:28 am

rass wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:16 am
Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:50 am Did anyone (outside of the Smith households) think this was a long term hire?

Since leaving the Bears, he's posted a record of 28-76 in college and the pros.
This still may not meet your definition of long-term, but I personally didn't expect them (even them) to fire a second coach in a row after one season.

And the optics of them both being African-American are not good.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:38 am

wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:02 am So Sean McVay is going to hang it up for a bit right? Obviously he will move to a studio show or similar (which he will do great at), figure out how comfortable a life that is and never coach again. I wonder how much of this has to do with newly married family life. Coaching life is tough (see Andy Reid), but that makes the reign of Belichick, Harbaugh and Tomlin more impressive. Add in Carroll and Reid and you don't have other coaches with more than 10 years. Next group is a handful of 6 year coaches.

According to Peter Schrager his wife is Ukrainian. So it's a bit more than newly married family life.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:55 am

rass wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:16 am
Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:50 am Did anyone (outside of the Smith households) think this was a long term hire?

Since leaving the Bears, he's posted a record of 28-76 in college and the pros.
This still may not meet your definition of long-term, but I personally didn't expect them (even them) to fire a second coach in a row after one season.

They promoted Lovie last year to cover their asses. As a Cover-Two maven (although he doesn't exclusively coach and use it), he is not a long-term answer at head coach for anyone with how the game, particularly offensive scheme, has evolved in the last 15 years. If they're ever going to try to get serious about drafting and developing a QB, they have to get an offensive-minded head coach (whether or not it's Josh McNown, which almost certainly won't happen since Easterby got run out).

The fact that it was two coaches in two years is secondary. David Culley really got wronged the first time. I seriously doubt Lovie had any questions about what he was dealing with, especially since he was Culley's DC.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:13 am

Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:38 am
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:02 am So Sean McVay is going to hang it up for a bit right? Obviously he will move to a studio show or similar (which he will do great at), figure out how comfortable a life that is and never coach again. I wonder how much of this has to do with newly married family life. Coaching life is tough (see Andy Reid), but that makes the reign of Belichick, Harbaugh and Tomlin more impressive. Add in Carroll and Reid and you don't have other coaches with more than 10 years. Next group is a handful of 6 year coaches.
According to Peter Schrager his wife is Ukrainian. So it's a bit more than newly married family life.

Jesus, he’s quitting to go fight? That’s hardcore.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:23 am

tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:13 am
Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:38 am
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:02 am So Sean McVay is going to hang it up for a bit right? Obviously he will move to a studio show or similar (which he will do great at), figure out how comfortable a life that is and never coach again. I wonder how much of this has to do with newly married family life. Coaching life is tough (see Andy Reid), but that makes the reign of Belichick, Harbaugh and Tomlin more impressive. Add in Carroll and Reid and you don't have other coaches with more than 10 years. Next group is a handful of 6 year coaches.
According to Peter Schrager his wife is Ukrainian. So it's a bit more than newly married family life.
Jesus, he’s quitting to go fight? That’s hardcore.

In socialist california, wife enlists you.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:07 pm

Kingsbury kanned

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:08 pm

rass wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:07 pmKingsbury kanned

But, he’s good-looking!

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:12 pm

This is the only thing I'm going to remember him for:

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:13 pm

Kingsbury kandid

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:21 pm

Rass Reachin'

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:22 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:08 pm
rass wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:07 pmKingsbury kanned
But, he’s good-looking!

so is his girlfriend!

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:24 pm

aaron aannoying

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:25 pm

So will the Cardinals be paying Kingsbury until after the 2027 season, or would there have been some provision that in case of dismissal the year after he's extended, there's a buy out?

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:29 pm

Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:25 pm So will the Cardinals be paying Kingsbury until after the 2027 season, or would there have been some provision that in case of dismissal the year after he's extended, there's a buy out?

Don't think it is public knowledge
https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-kl ... y-hc-fired

Reaper · Post by **Reaper** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:06 pm

wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:29 pm
Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:25 pm So will the Cardinals be paying Kingsbury until after the 2027 season, or would there have been some provision that in case of dismissal the year after he's extended, there's a buy out?
Don't think it is public knowledge
https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-kl ... y-hc-fired

According to PFT, 2027 was an option year, so guaranteed through 2026. I feel like coaches usually have offset language though that if they get another head coaching job, college or pro, that there's usually some kind of buyout. Rhule went through some of that when Nebraska hired him last month so the Panthers got rid of some of the money on his ridiculous extension.

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:13 pm

No news from Indianapolis, but I found this to be a fun quote...

(from PFT)

“If I get this job, there’s going to be significant change. . . . The way I do things is not the way it’s been done,” Saturday said, via Joel A. Erickson of the Indianapolis Star.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:14 pm

Reaper wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:06 pm
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:29 pm
Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:25 pm So will the Cardinals be paying Kingsbury until after the 2027 season, or would there have been some provision that in case of dismissal the year after he's extended, there's a buy out?
Don't think it is public knowledge
https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-kl ... y-hc-fired
According to PFT, 2027 was an option year, so guaranteed through 2026. I feel like coaches usually have offset language though that if they get another head coaching job, college or pro, that there's usually some kind of buyout. Rhule went through some of that when Nebraska hired him last month so the Panthers got rid of some of the money on his ridiculous extension.

I think it's more of an offset than a buyout. Not that they can't negotiate a buyout, but that NFL contracts generally have offset clauses. Most NCAAFB contracts don't. All hail Jimmy Sexton.