Not so funny real life Capt Trips thread

[Nonlinear FC]

There was absolutely a failure on many levels.

But saying that this was all just hindsight isn't accurate. Many public health officials, including within the CDC and PHS were worried about this in January and February.

That is going to be a story that comes out when the books are written. Mark it down.

[The Sybian]

It's pretty ridiculous that it took him that long to come to that conclusion. I don't think he's got very many smart people working for him, but certainly someone at some point must have tried to warn him that the election was going to be in effect a referendum on his response to the pandemic.

Sure, and like every other thing he horribly fucked up, he thought he could go on TV, brag about what an amazing job he is doing, how "really smart people" are amazed at how great he is, "they say they've never seen anything like it before!" In the past, he could talk his way around fuck ups or chalk it up as a media/Dem hoax to attack him, and his base would believe him. Now that millions are losing their jobs and thousands are dying, I don't think his tried and true methods will work. But, he certainly went to the well. He always says whatever will get him out of a difficult question in that moment, with no regard to the consequences a week later when it's clear he was lying, and thus far, it's worked. People have a short memory, or make excuses about how when Trump said 1+1=3, what he really meant was ... That's why he said it was a hoax, would magically disappear in April, was under control... It got him off the hook in that second. When people start losing friends and families, they won't be able to look past it.

[brian]

Yeah, I've been saying that for weeks. The chickens are finally coming home to roost. They thought they could throw the climate change playbook at this, somehow not realizing this was going to play out over months, not years or decades.

[The Sybian]

There was absolutely a failure on many levels.

But saying that this was all just hindsight isn't accurate. Many public health officials, including within the CDC and PHS were worried about this in January and February.

That is going to be a story that comes out when the books are written. Mark it down.

I can 100% back this. CDC absolutely expected it would be this bad back in January, and slow rolled info to hospitals. Back in February, I heard from a CDC employee that the entire country would be on lockdown for more than 4 weeks, which is not what they were telling hospitals at the time, and there was an intimation that they were instructed to hide the full picture.

[DaveInSeattle]

And here's today's Most Moronic Tweet (although...it is early):



Yes, that's right...Roger Godell and the NFL are going restore things to normalcy.

[rass]

HA. That's awesome.

[degenerasian]

I've been saying that to everyone, once you close everything what is your condition to re-open? It would have to be double the burden of proof.

Take Alberta for instance. We closed school when there were 0 cases. So how can we re-open? When there are 0 cases and 0 risk.

[brian]

We're very obviously nowhere near the peak in North America and probably a couple weeks away at best, so it's kind of pointless to have the discussion really.

Our governor here (who is frankly getting a lot of heat because of the necessity of tourism to the state economy) has said the decision to re-open the state will only be based upon science and science alone, thank goodness.

[Joe K]

And here's today's Most Moronic Tweet (although...it is early):



Yes, that's right...Roger Godell and the NFL are going restore things to normalcy.

Ziegler is a monumental jackass. I first became aware of him because he’s one of the most prominent defenders of Jerry Sandusky (he literally thinks the whole scandal is a frame job). But apparently there’s a grifter’s niche available for ignorant opinions about the economic response to the virus (see also: C. Travis).

[Steve of phpBB]

I know my brothers on this site aren't the problem, but even a tiny crack needs to be addressed. This shit was a known thing 3 months ago. The notion that the bullshit coming out of GA and FL doesn't have those governors (not to mention our president) out on their ass is insane to me.

Thank you.

1 month ago it was a Democrat hoax, so how could they have known?

Seriously, the fact that a governor didn't know until yesterday that the rona was transmissible by asymptomatics just boggles my mind. Again.

I blame my sister and cousins and my wife's family and my law partners and everyone else who has voted for any Republican in the past 20 years. It was clear that long ago that the Republican party was not a serious enterprise, and would ignore science and reality in favor of ideology. Having a governor of a state with 10 million people in it now know a basic fact of a worldwide pandemic is the logical result.

[Joe K]

I know my brothers on this site aren't the problem, but even a tiny crack needs to be addressed. This shit was a known thing 3 months ago. The notion that the bullshit coming out of GA and FL doesn't have those governors (not to mention our president) out on their ass is insane to me.

Thank you.

1 month ago it was a Democrat hoax, so how could they have known?

Seriously, the fact that a governor didn't know until yesterday that the rona was transmissible by asymptomatics just boggles my mind. Again.

I blame my sister and cousins and my wife's family and my law partners and everyone else who has voted for any Republican in the past 20 years. It was clear that long ago that the Republican party was not a serious enterprise, and would ignore science and reality in favor of ideology. Having a governor of a state with 10 million people in it now know a basic fact of a worldwide pandemic is the logical result.

Beyond the scientific ignorance, a prevailing GOP view going back to Reagan is that government should just do as little as possible and let the private sector take charge. That philosophy might work okay (at least for affluent and wealthy people) most of the time but it’s uniquely ill-equipped to respond to a public health emergency like this where decisive use of government power is essential. Trump is legitimately ignorant but other GOP politicians like DeSantis are otherwise smart people who have badly mismanaged this because they stayed too committed to that anti-government ideology.

[HaulCitgo]

You guys view everything through a political lens. It's not crazy to think that covid 19 wouldn't have asymptomatic transmission. SARS (covid 2003) did not have substantial asymptomatic transmission. Why would we assume that covid does much less make major policy decisions based on it. This is March research.

[DaveInSeattle]

[DaveInSeattle]

Good/Depressing article about Trump, Republicans, and the ongoing chaos...

We Can Finally See the Real Source of Washington Gridlock
America’s political dysfunction is rooted not in ideological polarization, but in the Republican Party’s conviction that it alone should be allowed to govern.

The Democratic Party as it is currently constituted correctly understands that it has civic and moral obligations to ensure the well-being not only of its own voters, but of those who vote against its candidates. The Republican Party, and particularly the GOP under Trump, acts as if it has no such obligations, which is why the president himself has portrayed aid to Democratic-controlled states ravaged by the coronavirus as personal generosity rather than his fucking job.

[Johnnie]

[DaveInSeattle]

About that carrier caption...

[mister d]

More honorable to let your own people die.

[DSafetyGuy]

I'm telling you facts. They have known how bad this was for a long fucking time. Period.

Serious question, Nonlinear.

I saw on twitter recently that there was a pandemic predicted/projected in 2015 (I don't recall exactly, I seem to recall the capital-a Army being mentioned), which is why the Obama transition team used the pandemic in the crisis simulation during the transition period (the one where it was reported Wilbur Ross fell asleep and other staffers complained of being bored). Do you know if any of that is factual?

I'm not saying it is or isn't, I'm just legitimately asking if you know/have heard/etc. (describe however you feel comfortable for accuracy).

[Nonlinear FC]

I got nothing on that.

[Steve of phpBB]

You guys view everything through a political lens. It's not crazy to think that covid 19 wouldn't have asymptomatic transmission. SARS (covid 2003) did not have substantial asymptomatic transmission. Why would we assume that covid does much less make major policy decisions based on it. This is March research.

I agree it wasn't crazy to think in January that Covid 19 wouldn't have asymptomatic transmission. But it seems like we've known for a long time that Covid was different from SARS in that respect. I certainly knew before yesterday, and I'm not responsible for 10 million people.

[The Sybian]

I'm telling you facts. They have known how bad this was for a long fucking time. Period.

Serious question, Nonlinear.

I saw on twitter recently that there was a pandemic predicted/projected in 2015 (I don't recall exactly, I seem to recall the capital-a Army being mentioned), which is why the Obama transition team used the pandemic in the crisis simulation during the transition period (the one where it was reported Wilbur Ross fell asleep and other staffers complained of being bored). Do you know if any of that is factual?

I'm not saying it is or isn't, I'm just legitimately asking if you know/have heard/etc. (describe however you feel comfortable for accuracy).

I just listened to a podcast (I think Stay Tuned with Preet Bharara) where he interviewed one of the Obama officials who led the table top discussion on a potential pandemic (Alyssa Mastromonaco I think). Fascinating to listen to. While she said she thought the Trump team members in the meeting were paying attention, there isn't a single person who attended those meetings who is still employed by the Admin. As she described the table top discussion, they were very accurate in predicting how a pandemic would play out. I listened to other podcasts with an epidemiologist (Michael Osterholm on Joe Rogan), and he predicted just about everything that is happening several years ago based on SARS and MERS, and COVID fits what he expected the next virus would be. Long story short, anyone who listened to experts knew this was not just a possibility, but likely to occur at some point, and the government failed to prepare, failed to have supplies on hand or a system in place.

It's impossible not to play politics here, because Obama created a CDC Pandemic Response task force, knowing this was possible. Trump bragged about saving money and dismantling the group (or pushing people out and refusing to hire replacements to be technically correct). It's now come out that the Intel community warned Trump in January of how bad this would likely hit the US, and he spent 2 months initially ignoring the warnings, then actively calling the virus a hoax aimed at hurting his reelection. How can we not play politics in calling out gross negligence and incompetence? Trump brags about the ratings for his press conferences, he only views a major crisis in American history as how it effects him personally. He has not once made a single remark showing a shred of empathy or even a thought to the people suffering or their families, but he Tweets about his TV ratings and how doctors are so impressed with how smart he is. Pre-Trump, it would be unthinkable that a President wouldn't even pretend to care that the country is being decimated by a pandemic, other than being proud that he has as many viewers for his presser as The Bachelor! I mean, that is worse than the worst parody SNL could think of.

[brian]

Florida's been on our collective shitlist lately, but this is nice.

[Joe K]

You guys view everything through a political lens. It's not crazy to think that covid 19 wouldn't have asymptomatic transmission. SARS (covid 2003) did not have substantial asymptomatic transmission. Why would we assume that covid does much less make major policy decisions based on it. This is March research.

I agree it wasn't crazy to think in January that Covid 19 wouldn't have asymptomatic transmission. But it seems like we've known for a long time that Covid was different from SARS in that respect. I certainly knew before yesterday, and I'm not responsible for 10 million people.

Not sure about January but on February 13 the CDC Director warned, based on info he got from colleagues in China, that there was asymptomatic transmission.

[Johnny Carwash]

Florida's been on our collective shitlist lately, but this is nice.

I think it underestimates the number of people who will take it literally.

[Nonlinear FC]

I'm telling you facts. They have known how bad this was for a long fucking time. Period.

Serious question, Nonlinear.

I saw on twitter recently that there was a pandemic predicted/projected in 2015 (I don't recall exactly, I seem to recall the capital-a Army being mentioned), which is why the Obama transition team used the pandemic in the crisis simulation during the transition period (the one where it was reported Wilbur Ross fell asleep and other staffers complained of being bored). Do you know if any of that is factual?

I'm not saying it is or isn't, I'm just legitimately asking if you know/have heard/etc. (describe however you feel comfortable for accuracy).

I just listened to a podcast (I think Stay Tuned with Preet Bharara) where he interviewed one of the Obama officials who led the table top discussion on a potential pandemic (Alyssa Mastromonaco I think).

Pull it together, man!

[The Sybian]

I'm telling you facts. They have known how bad this was for a long fucking time. Period.

Serious question, Nonlinear.

I saw on twitter recently that there was a pandemic predicted/projected in 2015 (I don't recall exactly, I seem to recall the capital-a Army being mentioned), which is why the Obama transition team used the pandemic in the crisis simulation during the transition period (the one where it was reported Wilbur Ross fell asleep and other staffers complained of being bored). Do you know if any of that is factual?

I'm not saying it is or isn't, I'm just legitimately asking if you know/have heard/etc. (describe however you feel comfortable for accuracy).

I just listened to a podcast (I think Stay Tuned with Preet Bharara) where he interviewed one of the Obama officials who led the table top discussion on a potential pandemic (Alyssa Mastromonaco I think).

Pull it together, man!

Couldn't find it, because I had the wrong former Obama staffer, and wrong Preet podcast. Lisa Monaco on Cafe Insider, but they played half the interview for free:

https://cafe.com/episode-3-behind-close ... sa-monaco/

[DaveInSeattle]

Oh...here comes Jared to reassure us all:



We are so fucked...

[DaveInSeattle]

[Rex]

I know my brothers on this site aren't the problem, but even a tiny crack needs to be addressed. This shit was a known thing 3 months ago. The notion that the bullshit coming out of GA and FL doesn't have those governors (not to mention our president) out on their ass is insane to me.

Thank you.

1 month ago it was a Democrat hoax, so how could they have known?

Seriously, the fact that a governor didn't know until yesterday that the rona was transmissible by asymptomatics just boggles my mind. Again.

I blame my sister and cousins and my wife's family and my law partners and everyone else who has voted for any Republican in the past 20 years. It was clear that long ago that the Republican party was not a serious enterprise, and would ignore science and reality in favor of ideology. Having a governor of a state with 10 million people in it now know a basic fact of a worldwide pandemic is the logical result.

You haven’t met this governor.

[Rex]

The word “asymptomatic” shows up in this thread for the first time on February 24, and not in a “hey what if” kind of way but in a “hey I’ve been reading” kind of way.

[Rams Fanny]

I'm not sure why commercial aviation is still running. Most states have some version of a stay-at-home and anything resembling entertainment/vacationy has been cancelled. I looked on Flightaware this afternoon and there were thousands of jets in the air. I'm not saying close it tomorrow but give people a week (April 10-11) to get where they want to hunker down and (maybe) reopen April 30ish. We shut it down after 9/11 for a couple weeks and it would seem prudent to do it now.

[brian]

I'm not sure why commercial aviation is still running. Most states have some version of a stay-at-home and anything resembling entertainment/vacationy has been cancelled. I looked on Flightaware this afternoon and there were thousands of jets in the air. I'm not saying close it tomorrow but give people a week (April 10-11) to get where they want to hunker down and (maybe) reopen April 30ish. We shut it down after 9/11 for a couple weeks and it would seem prudent to do it now.

Think there's an "emergency travel" component though. Especially under circumstances if you have a parent get ill, etc.

[sancarlos]

[DSafetyGuy]

I'm not sure why commercial aviation is still running. Most states have some version of a stay-at-home and anything resembling entertainment/vacationy has been cancelled. I looked on Flightaware this afternoon and there were thousands of jets in the air. I'm not saying close it tomorrow but give people a week (April 10-11) to get where they want to hunker down and (maybe) reopen April 30ish. We shut it down after 9/11 for a couple weeks and it would seem prudent to do it now.

I can say that 2 1/2 weeks ago, when the first shutdowns were happening, airlines were reducing the number of flights they operated so there were less empty seats on their main routes.

[tennbengal]

Oh...here comes Jared to reassure us all:



We are so fucked...

This is just infinitely upsetting.

[mister d]

LOL this sort of thing is sooooooo concerning for you but at the same time you’re not willing to pledge to support Hunter Biden in this same role? You’re part of the problem.

[sancarlos]

LOL this sort of thing is sooooooo concerning for you but at the same time you’re not willing to pledge to support Hunter Biden in this same role? You’re part of the problem.

Ha ha. Like Biden would put his son in this role.

[DaveInSeattle]

Jared Kushner Is Going to Get Us All Killed

Kushner has succeeded at exactly three things in his life. He was born to the right parents, married well and learned how to influence his father-in-law. Most of his other endeavors — his biggest real estate deal, his foray into newspaper ownership, his attempt to broker a peace deal between the Israelis and the Palestinians — have been failures.

Undeterred, he has now arrogated to himself a major role in fighting the epochal health crisis that’s brought America to its knees. “Behind the scenes, Kushner takes charge of coronavirus response,” said a Politico headline on Wednesday. This is dilettantism raised to the level of sociopathy.

[Johnnie]

What? The military firing someone for exposing the truth? Shocking.

This is why I'm no longer proud to serve. You're taught your entire military career to have integrity, to do what's right when no one is looking, to look out for your people, to stand up in the face of wrong even when it's toughest, to do the right thing when the wrong thing could be so easy.

And then you get fired because it's embarrassing.

Let me guess: "He jumped the chain of command" or some bullshit, right? Get real. It was 100% because he made someone who outranks him look bad: the still 'ACTING' Secretary of the Navy. He's been in that role since November when the previous Secretary got fired over the Eddie Gallagher shit.

[tennbengal]

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