The Swamp

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:13 pmOkay. But we’re talking about whether the Dems know what they’re doing *at this particular time*. It seems like they are doing that rather well.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:13 pmIf certain folks had their way, the Dems would be running on an ambitious Democratic Socialist platform promising to remake the entire health care industry, raise taxes, and fundamentally reshape society. For better and for worse, the Dems aren’t doing that. But if they had, “reaction to Trump” might not be the driving force in the election.

brian wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:25 pm Hillary was about +2.5 on CRP tracker at this time last year. Biden is +9.1 last I saw.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:28 pm

brian wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:25 pm Hillary was about +2.5 on CRP tracker at this time last year. Biden is +9.1 last I saw.

Weren’t there also a lot more undecideds and third-party leaners?

Edit - And didn’t Hillary finish real close to +2.5?

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:20 pm Can you post the link to the polls?

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:20 pm Can you post the link to the polls?

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:10 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:20 pm Can you post the link to the polls?

https://www.pacificresearch.org/pollwatch/

some guy named Chris Russo (not the broadcaster) on facebook wrote: My biggest issue with Trump is probably the fact that he has had no prior political experience, went bankrupt 6 times and has many failed businesses, paid off a porn star to keep quiet, has over 24 harassment allegations, has had 2 articles of impeachment drafted against him, illegally contacted Ukraine to help him win re-election, has the most hours of golfing over any president, has done nothing to help our dying climate, botched the coronavirus response because he called it a hoax by the democrats instead of acting quicker, has never had an approval rating of over 45 percent, the whole Central Park 5 incident, thinks climate change is a Chinese hoax, told POC to go back to where they came from, throws meltdowns on Twitter, constantly retweets himself agreeing with himself, has had tweets flagged for misinformation, signed an executive bill regarding Twitter after his feelings got hurt, has increased our debt, hasn’t pulled out of any wars, adbandoned the Kurds, is really fat with a spray tan, has US pride at an all time low, has 10 cases of obstruction of justice per the mueller report, used George Floyd as an excuse to brag about job numbers, wanted to use violence against peaceful protestors, has done nothing to solve the wealth gap or poverty rate, has increased our debt, is fat and has an ugly spray tan, said he would date his own daughter, talked about fake treatments during a corona press conference, used to be an anti vaxxer, violated an official weather map with a fucking sharpie, all the shit in john Bolton’s book, said that cases would disappear if testing stopped, has a Vice President that can’t say “black lives matter” only “all lives matter”, falsely claimed there’s an AIDS vaccine, loves himself but has little empathy for others, is a complete asshole to reporters, made fun of someone disabled, the “grab by the pussy” thing, wanted to nuke a hurricane, thinks windmills cause cancer, has told over 19,000 false claims, talked more about him on a ramp than George Floyd, wants burning the flag to be a crime, called the coronavirus the kung flu, and has done nothing to help the average American.

Also the fact that he’s a lying, unqualified, draft dodging, gold star family disrespecting, POW attacking, US General insulting, racist, sexist, vulgar, confirmed sexual assaulting, trillion dollars to the rich tax cutting, own daughter creeping, wife cheating with a pornstar after birth of son and paying her off to influence a presidential election, $413 million dollar inheritance getting, teen pageant dressing room invading, baby and mother separating, breast feeding mother shaming, fat-shaming while being fat, 17 women accusing him of sexual assaulting, accusers are not attractive enough for him to assault implying, university student defrauding, bankrupt casino causing, kids cancer charity stealing, taped detailed accusation of rape of a minor having, wife-beating, popular vote losing, anti-vaxxing, Christianity-faking, publicist impersonating, tax dodging, friends’ wives pursuing, impeached, foreign aid bribing, 1/3 of the presidency golf playing, free press assaulting, Hannity coordinating, Cambridge Analytica using, Ivanka is a “piece of ass” approving, loan application asset inflating, historically low polling, college achievement faking, unqualified judge appointing, unqualified cabinet member appointing, foreign influence on our election welcoming, tax release avoiding, birther conspiracy spreading, Ukraine ambassador targeting, Russian money taking, Kurdish ally abandoning, soldier brain injury downplaying, full morning “executive time” taking, Epstein befriending, Putin bowing, Kim Jong Un praising, North Korean general saluting, US intelligence denying, tallest building in lower Manhattan after 9/11 boasting, congress obstructing, nuclear non-proliferation deal ending, Justice obstructing, unqualified daughter and son-in-law appointing, healthcare cut targeting, pedophile candidate supporting, trump tower Moscow denying, mail-bomber inspiring, 4 out of top 5 largest protests in US history causing, green energy stifling, clean water regulation destroying, healthy school lunch ending, climate change denying, congressional and judicial branch attacking, economy does better under democrats saying, Goldman Sachs appointing, food stamp removing, emissions standards lowering, press conference avoiding, emoluments clause breaking, longest govt shutdown record holding, Saudi Arabia nuclear tech selling, golf cheating, time magazine cover faking, El Paso mass shooter inspiring, paying legal bills for roughing up protestors promising, killed soldier “knew what he signed up for” saying, pardon abusing, scumbag.

Sources:...

A federal appeals court panel ordered an end to the case against Michael Flynn, President Trump’s former national security adviser, delivering a major victory to the Justice Department.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:07 am It's a blessing in the short term, but strategy in the long term.

What'll be interesting on their end is 2024. Who do they endorse then?

If Biden wins and goes 1 term and throws his weight behind VP/younger Democrat does that person get endorsed this full throatedly or will it be who the Republicans nominate?

The entire Republican party is going full amnesia once Trump is no longer its head and we know this. And the Democrats are fundamentally changing internally with more progressive political positions despite the best efforts of the establishment assholes.

So, it's going to be interesting.

brian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:17 am Yeah, not in a position to turn down any assistance for this election. We worry about 2024 after January 20, 2021.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:07 am It's a blessing in the short term, but strategy in the long term.

What'll be interesting on their end is 2024. Who do they endorse then?

If Biden wins and goes 1 term and throws his weight behind VP/younger Democrat does that person get endorsed this full throatedly or will it be who the Republicans nominate?

The entire Republican party is going full amnesia once Trump is no longer its head and we know this. And the Democrats are fundamentally changing internally with more progressive political positions despite the best efforts of the establishment assholes.

So, it's going to be interesting.

EdRomero wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:15 pmOn twitter, they were really pulling for Biden over the more progressive candidates, and I'm thinking they have given up on the GOP and will work to make Dems more conservative, which would be quite the battle.

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:06 pm

EdRomero wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:15 pmOn twitter, they were really pulling for Biden over the more progressive candidates, and I'm thinking they have given up on the GOP and will work to make Dems more conservative, which would be quite the battle.

Or its what leads to a prominent 3rd party?

EdRomero wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:31 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:06 pm

EdRomero wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:15 pmOn twitter, they were really pulling for Biden over the more progressive candidates, and I'm thinking they have given up on the GOP and will work to make Dems more conservative, which would be quite the battle.

Or its what leads to a prominent 3rd party?

Ideally, you get Charlie Baker, Mitt Romney and a few others to split from the Trumpistan Republicans to make a 3rd party, but politically how is that going to work better than how the Green Party affects Dems in elections (badly)?

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:11 pm

EdRomero wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:31 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:06 pm

EdRomero wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:15 pmOn twitter, they were really pulling for Biden over the more progressive candidates, and I'm thinking they have given up on the GOP and will work to make Dems more conservative, which would be quite the battle.

Or its what leads to a prominent 3rd party?

Ideally, you get Charlie Baker, Mitt Romney and a few others to split from the Trumpistan Republicans to make a 3rd party, but politically how is that going to work better than how the Green Party affects Dems in elections (badly)?

If the Republican Party continues on its present white nationalist trajectory - and I'd be surprised otherwise - I could see these guys setting up a more reasonable third party as a long-term replacement.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:39 pm And in that potentiality, given many say Obama paved the white racist way to Trump...

Obama ushered in the greatest wave of progressive politics in modern history!

Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:55 pm I think anyone saying the GOP will be permanently tanked by Trump is being way too optimistic. They’ll just rebrand like they did after the disaster that was Bush’s presidency led to the landslide losses in 2006 and 2008. In a two-party state like the US way too many people view political party as part of their personal identity for either the GOP or Dems to sink into permanent oblivion. Plus Biden has repeatedly said that he likes working with Republicans, including McConnell, and looks forward to doing so as President. Biden literally eulogized Strom Thurmond; he’ll be fine with helping the GOP rehabilitate.