Swamp Super Tuesday Presidential Primary Poll

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Who gets your vote for U.S. President? (candidates in alphabetical order)

Poll ended at Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:02 am

Joe Biden
1
3%
Michael Bloomberg
0
No votes
Pete Buttigieg
0
No votes
Tulsi Gabbard
0
No votes
Amy Klobuchar
1
3%
Bernie Sanders
7
23%
Tom Steyer
1
3%
Elizabeth Warren
21
68%
Other
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 31

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OK, let's pretend that the state of The Swamp is part of the Super Tuesday presidential primary elections. So, please cast your vote for President in our Democratic primary.
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I vote for real after super Tuesday, and while I am almost ready to get a Warren tattoo, I'm casting my vote for Bernie if she is still lagging. She's the best, but either are miles better than the others, IMO.
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I vote in June, which blows. I'm enthusiastic to vote Bernie and would've voted Warren is she were ahead.
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wouldn't voting for Warren to help prop her up against someone else in the "she's third and Bernie is first" scenario be a better use than voting for Bernie?
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also smh at the lack of Tulsi support here
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If you can convince (some probable large number) of people to do the same thing, go ahead and vote strategically. Otherwise, pick your favorite. I'm glad I did.
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Brontoburglar wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:15 am also smh at the lack of Tulsi support here
My parents and I don't talk politics any more, but last time I was there they asked me who I was supporting. I told them Warren and why, then my dad goes "this may surprise you, but there actually is a Democrat I like and would consider voting for over Trump."

"Let me guess, Tulsi?"

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Brontoburglar wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:14 am wouldn't voting for Warren to help prop her up against someone else in the "she's third and Bernie is first" scenario be a better use than voting for Bernie?
Strategic voting is tricky. Among other things, the calculus depends on whether Warren is or is not likely to break the 15% threshold for delegates in a given state. It also depends on what you perceive the likely outcome of a convention floor fight would be. I’d be very, very surprised if a strong 3rd/4th place Warren prevails in that messy scenario. It’s far more likely to be one of the three Bs. I think she’s still taking a lot of shots at Bloomberg because she knows this.
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Joe K wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:59 am
Brontoburglar wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:14 am wouldn't voting for Warren to help prop her up against someone else in the "she's third and Bernie is first" scenario be a better use than voting for Bernie?
Strategic voting is tricky. Among other things, the calculus depends on whether Warren is or is not likely to break the 15% threshold for delegates in a given state. It also depends on what you perceive the likely outcome of a convention floor fight would be. I’d be very, very surprised if a strong 3rd/4th place Warren prevails in that messy scenario. It’s far more likely to be one of the three Bs. I think she’s still taking a lot of shots at Bloomberg because she knows this.
It's like the Prisoner's Dilemma on steroids.

I think (hope) I convinced four or five folks to vote Warren on the ground that because it's still early, there's no need to vote strategically. We all vote how we want and see how it shakes out, and the strategic voting happens later.
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I think I like Warren best, but I actually voted for Bernie already in early voting. Partly because my wife is big into Bernie and, well, it's just easier that way. I also really like him, but I do have worries about how effective he'd actually be. I totally believe in his goals, motivations, and integrity, but that doesn't always mean you can be effective.

I don't think in any of our lifetimes there's been a president so devoted to trying to directly improve the lives of poor or marginalized Americans. I'm really curious what that would be like for our country.

Still not sure which to put in this poll. Should I put Bernie since that's who I actually voted for?
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Shirley wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:47 amI don't think in any of our lifetimes there's been a president so devoted to trying to directly improve the lives of poor or marginalized Americans. I'm really curious what that would be like for our country.
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I don't understand some of you guys. The primary is usually the one chance you get to actually vote for the candidate you like the best with no reservations.
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There's a ballot drop box within a few blocks of me, so I usually just procrastinate until the due date. But I thought it was last Tuesday so I already voted. And I really, really wish ranked ballots was a thing. Does that happen in other states?
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I think Maine is the only state that allows full-on ranked ballots for actual statewide or federal elections. I think a few state political parties have adopted it for their primaries but not many.

https://ballotpedia.org/Ranked-choice_v ... egislation
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Time for a vote recount. Tom Steyer rules.

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I had no idea whatsoever why Steyer was in the race. But if you’re a billionaire, then running for President so that you can hire Juvenile for a private concert to get your wife to back her azz up is honestly not a bad plan.
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I can't get excited about any of these candidates. I liked the idea of Mayor Pete when he first hit the scene, but he is like a robot politician. Everything is so carefully crafted and insincere, I feel like he is a young, gay Hillary. I loved Bernie 10-15 years ago, but I feel like he is so bad at delivering his message to anyone outside of his base, and I think the GOP will destroy him. As stupid as it is, and it drives me insane, but I hear so many intelligent and fairly well informed people freak the fuck out over Bernie being a Socialist. Democrats and Republicans. While I've heard Bernie give very well reasoned explanations of Democratic-Socialism, it doesn't get through in the 10 second soundbite world we live in. What scares me about Bernie winning the nomination, is I that he will energize the GOP base more than any other Dem candidate. I've heard so many anti-Trump Republicans say they will vote for any Dem nominee over Trump, except Bernie, because Venezuela-Stalin-Open Borders-Stealing my healthcare... People don't understand the difference between Soviet Communism or dictatorial Socialist planned economies and Democratic Socialism.

I'd say I agree with Warren's platform the most, but I find her unlikable, and the Indian ancestry thing isn't going away. So fucking stupid, but the Right are masterful at getting their disingenuous lies to stick.

As much of a political junkie as I am, I have completely avoided the Dem nomination process. I just get so frustrated by it, I don't follow and I will vote for the nominee regardless because fuck Trump and the GOP.
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While I've been a Bernie supporter for almost 30 years, I am very disappointed with what the Democratic party offered up. It's great that Bernie is still saying what he's been saying, but he really shouldn't be the leading Democratic in the primaries. While one could argue about Obama being a centrist, etc. it's sad that his presidency led to Hillary v. Bernie and then Bernie v. this current crop. Where are the young reps or governors? There should have been more (beginning) Petes that were more than middling city mayors in this race. Even if the Democrats gave Hillary her 'chance' (which I really believe 2016 was) where was the young and up-and-comers making their case at her convention? I follow politics pretty closely, but if I'm not mistaken the only young "Democrat" that's on the national scene is AOC and she's a Berniecrat. There was Beto for a hot second in his race against Cruz but his star seems to have faded. There really should be multiple young Democrats with their voices being heard, especially after Trump's ascendance.
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Joe K wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:01 pm Time for a vote recount. Tom Steyer rules.

Take notes, Mayo Pete.
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The Sybian wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:50 pm I can't get excited about any of these candidates. I liked the idea of Mayor Pete when he first hit the scene, but he is like a robot politician. Everything is so carefully crafted and insincere, I feel like he is a young, gay Hillary.
Rush2112 wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:05 am While I've been a Bernie supporter for almost 30 years, I am very disappointed with what the Democratic party offered up. It's great that Bernie is still saying what he's been saying, but he really shouldn't be the leading Democratic in the primaries. While one could argue about Obama being a centrist, etc. it's sad that his presidency led to Hillary v. Bernie and then Bernie v. this current crop. Where are the young reps or governors? There should have been more (beginning) Petes that were more than middling city mayors in this race.
I think these points are somewhat related. For as long as I can remember, the majority of Democratic politicians have been deeply, deeply afraid of taking strong stands on anything. McGovern’s loss still gets brought up constantly even though, for as bad as that loss was, the Dems were back in the White House four years later. You just don’t see that type of loss dwelling and fearful paralysis from the GOP.

So Pete’s robotic nature and carefully created (to the extreme) image is exactly what he was taught to do as a Democratic “rising star.” Kamala Harris, who was actually supposed to the “rising star” in 2020, killed her own campaign with a similar brand of contrived cautiousness, as her inability to take a stand on any issue reached absurd levels. The problems with this approach are that (a) it leads to watered down policy; and (b) a lot of voters see right through it.

Bernie is still the most popular candidate in the field, despite being a 78 year old heart attack survivor, because he projects the authenticity and genuine passion that is badly lacking in the Democratic Party. (And by virtue of him being NOT A DEMOCRAT, his staffers do too. If Warren and Sanders traded campaign staffs at the start of the race, she’d have run away with this race.) AOC went from a bartender to one of the most visible politicians in America within a matter of weeks for the same reason. Maybe Bernie and AOC’s goals will prove to be too ambitious, but they at least have a vision for a better society, which has been sorely lacking from the Democratic Party as a whole.
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Johnnie wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:28 am Take notes, Mayo Pete.
Here’s a longer video:

This guy is going to beat Pete and Klobuchar today.
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That's amazing.
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Johnnie wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:19 am That's amazing.

He went out as a legend. Hopefully this sets a precedent which leads to 58-year-old Mayor Pete securing the 2040 nomination by getting DaBaby’s endorsement in North Carolina.
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Pour one out for Yung Stey's presidential campaign.
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Joe K wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:19 pm
Johnnie wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:19 am That's amazing.

He went out as a legend. Hopefully this sets a precedent which leads to 58-year-old Mayor Pete securing the 2040 nomination by getting DaBaby’s endorsement in North Carolina.
Between da baby and Roddy Rich a candidate could go a long way in NC and ca. I truly appreciate the effort. Even moreso the missus as that wasnt part of the deal. But juvenile? Classic I guess but behind the times. If he had come out to the box he'd have won.
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Well, our little group certainly isn’t representative of South Carolina Democratic Primary voters.
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